No what's funny is that they found the original worthy enough for a 5/5, remember core gameplay hasnt changed ..
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Review Thread: Tomb Raider Definitive Edition
- Thread starter Larson Conway
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Well I am pretty impressed the next gen consoles are matching the PC version this early in these new systems lifespan. I've mentioned it before in the other TR thread that i have the PC version and I am running a 3770k@4.6ghz,16gb ddr3 ram, 7970Ghz Edition@1200mhz Core/1600mhz mem and at 1080p ...TR PC would be a pretty constant 60fps with some slight dips to mid 50s fps here and there.
To see the PS4 basically match that with even more graphic effects added on top is a really good sign for the PS4's future. Just imagine what Sony's 1st and 2nd party games will look like once developers begin to harness the power of PS4 and truly utilize the GPGPU, Huma, the extra ACE's,etc. There is so much going for the PS4 right now..and X1 in some ways as well...Personally as a avid PC gamer i am more excited to see what PS4 can do with some of these added hardware assets to its GPU though because stuff like GPGPU, Huma and the higher amount of ACE's will be the future for graphics. The PS4's gpu has 3x or 4x the ACEs as my 7970...stuff like that i am eager to see put to use in gaming.
To see the PS4 basically match that with even more graphic effects added on top is a really good sign for the PS4's future. Just imagine what Sony's 1st and 2nd party games will look like once developers begin to harness the power of PS4 and truly utilize the GPGPU, Huma, the extra ACE's,etc. There is so much going for the PS4 right now..and X1 in some ways as well...Personally as a avid PC gamer i am more excited to see what PS4 can do with some of these added hardware assets to its GPU though because stuff like GPGPU, Huma and the higher amount of ACE's will be the future for graphics. The PS4's gpu has 3x or 4x the ACEs as my 7970...stuff like that i am eager to see put to use in gaming.
Ah thanks, i'll go check that out.
Majmun
Member
I think it's a fair point.
Re-releasing a game that hasn't been out for a year at full price would be an awful trend. Especially when the original game can be found for very cheap nowadays.
If the goal of the review is to look at the product in isolation then none of these reviews should exist. In their place should be nothing more than an appended paragraph to the original review, detailing technical changes.
The only worthwhile reviews will be the ones that try to make sense of the product and its context. That means there will be a risk of it falling foul of some peoples' point of view (like yours, it seems). On the other hand, framing it within the context of value (in this case), would seem to be the natural thing to do: you only have to visit any one of the number of GAF TR
E threads to see that the one big recurring theme is the RRP. He's not trying to tell you anything about your disposable income. He's just making a statement about its relative value, with his reference being last years' release, in his opinion. You get to decide whether you agree or not, and to what degree in either direction. Where's the problem here?
adamantypants
Member
Hopefully I can find it cheap later on. I'd like to see how it compares personally. I'm currently playing through on PC. At this moment no way in hell it's worth the extra money
PolarGamer
Member
Compared to crap like Killzone SF (the game I played before Tomb Raider) it IS well written.
cyberheater
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At least I bought the PC version in a sale. I do hope they port the updates over to PC. They could sell it as a DLC. Easy money for them.
Lol, nah.
On-topic, Definitive Edition looks a lot better than expected, especially compared to the PC version. Haven't bought it on last-gen yet so I might just decide to do it now (when it becomes available in my country).
XANDER CAGE
Member
I mean, sure, if your bar for "well written" is "doesn't completely shit the bed" Tomb Raider is much better than Killzone, in the same way that a McDonald's cheeseburger is better for you than swallowing broken glass.
Game definitely doesn't deserve kudos for its writing, but the action is at least serviceable and it is gorgeous. I'm enjoying playing it again on my PS4.
Clarkus Darkus
Member
The kind of PC gamer i like to hear from, You make some good points about how devs will be able to take even more advantage of console hardware wheras on PC it's brute force thats needed to achieve the grandest, Nothing wrong with that of course but the ps4 has alot of good things going for it and somewhat the x1 has, But GPGPU and coding to the metal later on will bring even more visual fidelity, Kudos for these early release games looking as good as they do, Because if consoles prove anything, Its that the visuals improve as devs mature with the hardware.
The performance of the console ports does a great job indicating what a developer can do in a closed box in comparison to an off the shelf GPU. PS4 and Xbox One are punching far above their weight class. I wish someone would do the math and post which GPU they perform favorably to.
But please developers, do not let shadows go to the ugly wayside. Shadows add that oomph to the image.
But please developers, do not let shadows go to the ugly wayside. Shadows add that oomph to the image.
But these games are products, and part of that is that they have a monetary value. Why would I recommend something to you if it cost much more than what it's actually worth (not saying this is necessarily the case with TR)? If a game is costly but lacks anything to justify that price, you wouldn't (and probably shouldn't) recommend it, even if you were assuming that the person you were reviewing it for a had a lot of disposable income.
Take for example, the 'Angry Birds Trilogy' for PS360. The three games on the App Store cost around 69p each when the console version was released and they were all generally well praised iPhone games. But the Trilogy on the consoles was released for around £30~ and featured little extra content to justify the ridiculous price, so reviewers of the console version adjusted their scores accordingly. If reviewers were to have the same level of detachment as you would want them too, they would have given the game similar praise that they would have given to the iPhone games (unless there was something horribly wrong with the console ports), despite the fact that the console version cost nearly 15 times as much as the combined price of the games on the App Store.
It doesn't matter if the consumer interested in the product had a lot of disposable income, why would anyone want to waste money on something that isn't worth it? Reviewers sort of need to tell us whether they think that the product is worth the money, and part of that is how much they cost versus how much they're worth.
So I see absolutely nothing wrong with Sterling informing his readers whether TR is worth their money or not.
Spot on.If the goal of the review is to look at the product in isolation then none of these reviews should exist. In their place should be nothing more than an appended paragraph to the original review, detailing technical changes.
The only worthwhile reviews will be the ones that try to make sense of the product and its context. That means there will be a risk of it falling foul of some peoples' point of view (like yours, it seems). On the other hand, framing it within the context of value (in this case), would seem to be the natural thing to do: you only have to visit any one of the number of GAF TR
He's not trying to tell you anything about your disposable income. He's just making a statement about its relative value, with his reference being last years' release, in his opinion. You get to decide whether you agree or not, and to what degree in either direction. Where's the problem here?
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As for me, I might pick this up when I get a PS4. Despite hearing mixed things I'm pretty intrigued to play it since I skipped it last gen. Looking damned good and running at a higher framerate than expected will probably help, too.
Jakoozie89
Neo Member
I actually think it's stupid that this game is even getting it's own reviews....! It's the same fucking game that everyone gave high scores last year.
SkylineRKR
Member
Its not even been a year but I honestly don't remember anyone from the main cast beside Lara Croft. They were terrible as was their script.
But yes, it must've been better than Shadow Fall. Because that was blatantly offensive.
Always-honest
Banned
For juniors, it always is. One image is enough.
A picture is worth a thousand words.
Anyway, again, if you have the pc version there isn't much reason to buy the same game again.
Trent Strong
Banned
They screwed up Laura's face. She looked a lot better in the old version.
No she didn't
Trent Strong
Banned
She was totes hot in the original.
Always-honest
Banned
Yeah she's really a monster now. The other one was 1.000.000.000.000.000 times better to be exact. That's not a hyperbole. I've seen than screenshot.
Yep, same here, and also looking at all the comparison pics it also make it even more obvious how much pc ports of certain AAA titles were gimped down by focusing on last gen console developement. There's nothing in the definitive edition that a PC couldn't handle, on the other hand it also shows the potential of next gen consoles. It's nice to see dev's pushing out console games at native 1080p and 60fps which for me personally is the only reason why I prefer(ed) gaming on PC. I'm patiently waiting for some good exclusives, like the The Order: 1886 or the next Uncharted, to finally cave in and buy a PS4. Games like that will certainly push the platform even further and give us some great gaming experiences.
As for the TR Definitive Edition, I'm glad this game is getting more attention on next gen platforms because it deserves it. I like the old Tomb Rider games alot but at the same time enjoyed what CD has done with the character and gameplay in the reboot, and hope that SquarEnix will allow CD to continue their work on this franchise even though they didn't quite meet their sales expectations.
A picture is worth a thousand words.
I've seen some other large PS4 shots and that's the first one yet (that I've seen) that's clearly better on the PC. It looks like a mistake by the artists actually, along with the missing shadows, shit is melting or something.
travisbickle
Member
I don't think many reviewers will have both copies for review. Best to wait for DF analysis rather than the odd "it looks like 38.7 fps to me" reviews anyway.
Revolutionary
Member
The game is clearly better looking on PC for anyone who has played it on PC, due to the higher resolution textures and DX11 effects.
That said, the improvements in DE are nothing to scoff at (new Lara model is impressive), and for a $400 machine you can't go wrong.
TAJ
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Have you played it on PS4? I haven't, but even on a shitty-looking stream the smoke and explosions during a part near the end blew the PC version away in motion.
Sorry Jim Sterling, but if you think the game is good, than give it an according rating.
This isn't like a refurbished Legacy Version of Fifa that is released on the same platform as before, and people would unknowingly buy the same game twice.
Tell people that you don't think it is worth paying 60 bucks for it if they already played it.
Stuff like that shouldn't influence the score.
Or just don't rate it at all, just give your impressions of the new versions and link to the original review for the game itself.
This isn't like a refurbished Legacy Version of Fifa that is released on the same platform as before, and people would unknowingly buy the same game twice.
Tell people that you don't think it is worth paying 60 bucks for it if they already played it.
Stuff like that shouldn't influence the score.
Or just don't rate it at all, just give your impressions of the new versions and link to the original review for the game itself.
Revolutionary
Member
Sure did, 100%'d the campaign in nearly one sitting lol
I'm probably pushing it by saying that the PC version is "clearly" better looking, but to someone who has played both versions, I have to give PC the edge overall due to the higher quality textures (even over the redone Lara model) and DX11 effects that are higher quality than the effects seen in DE (DoF and other visual effects are higher quality, and tessellation smoothens her sharp features out and makes the environment look better). But then again, it took a $1000 graphics card to achieve that haha
blankempathy
Member
Can we just agree that the de has better artistic choices that emphasize certain aspects more and give the game a more popping look while the pc version is technically superior when it comes to things like aa texture distance etc?
Sanctuary
Member
Or $500 if you were talking about a Titan. Anyway, kind of sucks that it's not being released (as of yet) on the PC too. Not that I saw anything that stood out as "OMFG it's so much better than the PC version on Ultra @ 2560 x 1440!".
Still, swaying trees...OMG!
PolarGamer
Member
You have a point, but I still like it. It's not only well written, it's acted very well. Guys and girls behind the voices do a hell of a job.
Sanctuary
Member
I'd say it was every bit as good as some of the best of last gen's AA voice acting.
Lord British
Member
Glad it's getting good reviews. Tomb Raider is a brilliant game that gets a terrible rap.
not_so_special
Banned
no.its not
BradleyLove
Member
A picture is worth a thousand words.
So salty.
Lara's voice is awful. It just sounds fake and forced
the definitive version is missing geometry and has lower polys in the environment in some places. probably a trade off for the added physics and effects. imo even though some aspects are downgraded from the pc version the stuff they added more than make up for it.
XANDER CAGE
Member
It's more that she talks to herself constantly, which feels really unnatural. It's fine when she's talking to other characters but when she's aloooone and keeps talking to herself Lara you can do this okayyyyy it's really overwrought.
The original version is a 360/PS3 port to PC. If they made a definitive version for PC, your face would melt.
Pjsprojects
Member
A picture is worth a thousand words.
This is the first bit that looks ruff on the PS4 version, the bark looks smudged along with the leaves, but then who is really going to bother looking that close while playing.
Yeah that's annoying as well. I was more referring to her accent though. It doesn't sound properly English. It always sounded wrong to me as if someone was putting on an accent. Well to my ears anyway
