LegendofJoe
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When a developer like Kojima explains "You've done it," upon seeing your controller you know you have a good thing going. As time goes along and all of you get to experience it for yourself you will fall in love with it.
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Revolution Controller Revealed
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Apart from a light gun it's the closest thing to holding a gun that FPS games have seen.
As others have said Luigi's mainsion would work really well and I imagine FLUDD would also be more fun to use. In fact, I would play a remake of Mario Sunhine for revolution. It truly is a new way to play.
I would welcome some of the old 2D games retooled to work with the remote. Maybe that's what Nintendo was suggesting when they said that older downloaded games might use some 'revolutionary' features.
As others have said Luigi's mainsion would work really well and I imagine FLUDD would also be more fun to use. In fact, I would play a remake of Mario Sunhine for revolution. It truly is a new way to play.
I would welcome some of the old 2D games retooled to work with the remote. Maybe that's what Nintendo was suggesting when they said that older downloaded games might use some 'revolutionary' features.
KeithFranklin
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I dont know about you but when I am playing FPS I tend to move around a bit. With the Revolution Controller body english will get in the way of playing the game.
Not to mention I still believe that the natural tendency will be to hold the controller/attachment out away from your body which will cause arm fatigue. Take 2 remotes to simulate this and act like you would be playing a game. Your arms get tired. Then take a controller and see how you handle things differently that give your arms support and minimize fatigue.
Not to mention I still believe that the natural tendency will be to hold the controller/attachment out away from your body which will cause arm fatigue. Take 2 remotes to simulate this and act like you would be playing a game. Your arms get tired. Then take a controller and see how you handle things differently that give your arms support and minimize fatigue.
Shogmaster
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Alright, enough bickering people! I've come up with the perfect solution.
Behold: the perfect controller!
Behold: the perfect controller!
The position detection on the controller will probably work like a small-scale GPS implementation. You have two sensors that are positioned around the tv, the third will probably be build into the console. The controller can now measure the distance to all three sensors and, using some math, calculate its position.
The rotational component could be implemented with gyros.
The second step would be to calibrate the controller. You'll probably have to point at five points on your screen (the corners and the center). This way the console can know the position and the size of your screen. Using this knowledge the precision, compared to these gyration mice, could be greatly enhanced and would enable lightgun games without regard to the technology of your screen.
I'm not familiar with Halo controls, but a standard implementation of FPS control could be:
pitch / yaw : freelook
move up: jump
move down: duck
move left/right: lean left/right
move forward/backward: zoom scope
analog stick: walk forward/backward + strafe
dpad: weapon/item selection
There would still be four buttons left (A, B, Z1, Z2).
edit: added scope
The rotational component could be implemented with gyros.
The second step would be to calibrate the controller. You'll probably have to point at five points on your screen (the corners and the center). This way the console can know the position and the size of your screen. Using this knowledge the precision, compared to these gyration mice, could be greatly enhanced and would enable lightgun games without regard to the technology of your screen.
I'm not familiar with Halo controls, but a standard implementation of FPS control could be:
pitch / yaw : freelook
move up: jump
move down: duck
move left/right: lean left/right
move forward/backward: zoom scope
analog stick: walk forward/backward + strafe
dpad: weapon/item selection
There would still be four buttons left (A, B, Z1, Z2).
edit: added scope
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
KeithFranklin said:
Well 1up say:
You might be right about the natural instinct thing, but I'm sure you can take the 2 seconds to decide not to do it that way.
Cauliflower of Love
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Shogmaster said:Alright, enough bickering people! I've come up with the perfect solution.
Behold: the perfect controller!
:lol
The proportions are a bit off no? ; )
Escape Goat
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Shogmaster said:Alright, enough bickering people! I've come up with the perfect solution.
Behold: the perfect controller!
The Nintendo is raping the Xbox
KeithFranklin
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All in all I think it is a neat secondary controller. Follows ideas like Xavix, Samba Di Amigo, the little light saber game put out for Revenge of the Sith, and just makes it a generic controller for other purposes as well rather then buy a low cost niche console (Xavix) for a specific type of game.
Cauliflower of Love
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Soybean said:
That's true, my tv remote has at least 15 buttons. People won't be scared of it. =D
.... This is.....uh...hmmm....
I.....
hrmm.
KeithFranklin
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AirBrian said:I'd say it doing more of this...
Your image would be another new game type for the ladies.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Zilch said:
Was showing that you could basically play Halo 2 on it not enough?
Jesus people.
EDIT: I'm not sure I've said it yet as the ideas alone put so many thoughts in my head, but I really should.
Sexy. As. Fuck.
KeithFranklin
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But notice the Video. They are going to promote this as a much more interactive approach. I think there is one person sitting moving the controller very deliberatly. I see a lot of people getting pissed at the think when they move (unconciously) and causing things to happen that they dont want to happen.
KeithFranklin said:
It's a promotional video, the entire idea is to get the point across that the controller can be used for those types of movements. You seriously think the sword-fighting portion of the video would've had the same effect if the guy were just resting his hands, slightly moving the controller?
The promo was sensationalized on purpose, and from the looks of it, it worked beautifully.
Outcast2004
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Ok, I just saw this and all that comes to mind is;
WTF?
Seriously Nintendo, do you really think this will sell?
Priase it all you want, I think it's a raving disaster. Your casual is going to find this just a bit too ambitious/weird.
Whats wrong with just doing a GOOD wireless pad with 6 buttons on the front and 2 shoulders?
Now I wait for the Nintendo fanboys to give me hell.....
WTF?
Seriously Nintendo, do you really think this will sell?
Priase it all you want, I think it's a raving disaster. Your casual is going to find this just a bit too ambitious/weird.
Whats wrong with just doing a GOOD wireless pad with 6 buttons on the front and 2 shoulders?
Now I wait for the Nintendo fanboys to give me hell.....
I would just like to point out something to people who have labelled the motion-sensing aspects of the controller as a replacement for an analog stick, that it is, in fact, far in advance of anything an analog stick can replicate. While an analog stick is limited to a two dimensional plane of motion (the x and y axes), it appears that, if the technology is what it's cracked up to be, the new controller can actually detect movement about no less than 6 axes, being the classical x, y and z planes of movement, as well as i, j and k, the (quaternion representations of) rotations about each of the x, y and z axes. While this would imply the new device being like 3 analog sticks taped together (which, in theory, there is nothing to stop it being used as), it would fail to take into account that it not only offers a much greater degree of movement in each of these ways, but it is also far more intuitive than anything that could be accomplished with analog sticks and buttons alone.
Take, for example, a game designed to be played with true 3D movement (e.g. a sequel Forsaken), if you were to play this on a traditional controller, you would need two analog sticks and four analog shoulder buttons to even attempt to replicate the abilities of the single-handed Revolution controller, and you just try to put an intuitive control scheme for such a game on that set of buttons, forgetting for a moment about the fact that you're not even left with enough controls for anything but movement.
I'll admit, the first time I saw the controller was nothing other than one giant "WTF?" and some serious questioning of my position as a Nintendo fanboy, but I've quite quickly come to realise that Nintendo have done something quite remarkable, they've managed to create a controller that is not only far more capable than either of their competitors', but they've actually done so in a package that is as simple and intuitive as a NES controller (even arguably more so), and for that, they have earned my kudos. The real test, however, will be when developers actually start showing off their creations with this new technology, and we'll see whether they can make real use of what the controller has to offer.
Take, for example, a game designed to be played with true 3D movement (e.g. a sequel Forsaken), if you were to play this on a traditional controller, you would need two analog sticks and four analog shoulder buttons to even attempt to replicate the abilities of the single-handed Revolution controller, and you just try to put an intuitive control scheme for such a game on that set of buttons, forgetting for a moment about the fact that you're not even left with enough controls for anything but movement.
I'll admit, the first time I saw the controller was nothing other than one giant "WTF?" and some serious questioning of my position as a Nintendo fanboy, but I've quite quickly come to realise that Nintendo have done something quite remarkable, they've managed to create a controller that is not only far more capable than either of their competitors', but they've actually done so in a package that is as simple and intuitive as a NES controller (even arguably more so), and for that, they have earned my kudos. The real test, however, will be when developers actually start showing off their creations with this new technology, and we'll see whether they can make real use of what the controller has to offer.
Fester Shinetop
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I'm curious to see what the market and industry's reaction will be when developers take advantage of this controller with more mature content. After reading up on the demos on how the controller could be used, the homicidal maniac inside me thought, "that could be used to accurately depict the slashing of one's throat." Or I pictured my wife coming home from work one day and walking into the living room to find me shouting "DIE MOTHERFUCKER!" and violently stabbing the couch cushion with what appears to be the remote control (at which point I'll stop, there will be some awkward silence and looks, and then I'll say "What? I'm just playing the new Mario game"). In all seriousness, violence in video games is already under enough scrutiny as it stands now. I'm interested to see if making games that allow you to mimic the action of cutting, stabbing, gutting, shanking, decapatating, slashing, snapping, impaling, etc. will take things to a whole other level.
Red Scarlet
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Mama Smurf said:Alright, so people don't want to read information apparently. Well it's spread out, who can blame them. So here it is:
Here's the main controller:
Pretty obvious generally. What you can't see is that it can detect movement. As Reggie explains:
The first and likely main use of the expansion port is for an analogue stick attachment:
What you can't see in this pic is the two triggers below the stick. According to Iwatat's speech, Nintendo plan to pack this attachment in with the system.
With the analogue stick attachment, the Revolution controller has as many buttons easily to hand as a Dual Shock minus the D pad.
How many of those buttons can you comfortably reach? I see 2 (big A below the dpad, and the trigger underneath). Am I supposed to lube up the remote so I can slide my hand down to the buttons at the bottom?
WrathOfOtaibah
Banned
Come to think of it, the Game Cube was a testing ground for Revolution: the connectivity of devices, wireless controllers, simpler format (Nintendo has been saying for years how they wanted a simpler controller), etc. Its all coming into place. So the more I thought about it (as I fucking bombed my Calculus 2 test for other reasons), the more this controller makes sense.
Plus with talking about moving forward and this activity, I think we can see more Nintendogs, Electroplanktons, and Ouendans for Revolution in between the Marios, Zeldas, and Metroids.
Plus with talking about moving forward and this activity, I think we can see more Nintendogs, Electroplanktons, and Ouendans for Revolution in between the Marios, Zeldas, and Metroids.
johns all like
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has no one played sega bass fishing on the dreamcast? the controller made that game. the revolution is going to have games that are some how ( i know, how could anyone top this) better than bass fishing, and it will blow everyones mind. nintendo is doing what sega tried to do, but has the technology and the ability to connect all the dots.
johns all like
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Red Scarlet said:
did you look at the picture? the directional buttons can be used as the o,triangle square and x. just think 2 feet in front of your face and i think you'll grasp this concept.
fortified_concept
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Dr_Cogent said:
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fortified_concept
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Mugen said:
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Red Scarlet said:
If you want to get technical, reducing everything down to single-directional movements (button presses or pushes of an analog stick/button), a Revolution controller in each hand results in 34 different movements (24 analog) without any hand-lube needed, comparing to 12 (up to 12 analog) for a dual-analog controller with four analog shoulder buttons (and I think the term "analog" is a bit much for the DualShock2's shoulder buttons, to be honest).
You know, the more I think about it, the more I recognize that the revolution is the natural "evolution" of the DS. The DS is all about free control, but the player is forced to always make contact with the screen.
Moving through the air is like moving manipulating a touch screen, but without the resistance or contact requirement, and in full 3D space.
Moving through the air is like moving manipulating a touch screen, but without the resistance or contact requirement, and in full 3D space.
Red Scarlet
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johns all like said:
So what about L, R, and Z or whatever?
Also, the d-pad is one piece. What if you need to press up/down (X/A) or left/right (Y/B) at the same time? You won't be able to.
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