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RIP 60Gb PS3 -- Now confirmed by Kaz

Segata Sanshiro said:
Quick answer is that as hard drives get bigger, the smaller ones stop being mass produced and the bigger ones get produced more. The more that are being produced, the cheaper each individual unit cost is.
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why thank you for that quick response :)

so sony will be saving money on both hard drives and the emotion engine... there's no doubt it'll be marked at 499, hell I wouldn't doubt a drop after the holidays... blu-ray will sell strong this christmas, and the prices on that are dropping very rapidly.
 
Segata Sanshiro said:
Quick answer is that as hard drives get bigger, the smaller ones stop being mass produced and the bigger ones get produced more. The more that are being produced, the cheaper each individual unit cost is.
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this is so damn true.

I just found out they have 250 GB 2.5" sata HDDs for 180 bones. Just a few months back the 160 GB joint (they are now like 50 bucks) was that much. Tech is evolving quick as hell these days.
 
Is the 20gb of more space worth having, or the EE chip? I am really on the fence between buying a 60gb now and having the hardware B/C and waiting for the 80gb to price drop. Also, I heard eventually that the EE will be disabled altogether in favor on software emulation, even if your PS3 has the EE chip. Any truth to that?
 
SuperEnemyCrab said:
Is the 20gb of more space worth having, or the EE chip? I am really on the fence between buying a 60gb now and having the hardware B/C and waiting for the 80gb to price drop. Also, I heard eventually that the EE will be disabled altogether in favor on software emulation, even if your PS3 has the EE chip. Any truth to that?
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I dunno about the 20gb... hell just buy an external HDD that's what I do, I store all my videos and music on that... and use my 60 GB to hold games/ demos etc. And I'm hearing that software emu is better anyways, it has to be at something like 90%, and in the next firmware it'll be even better.
 
SuperEnemyCrab said:
Is the 20gb of more space worth having, or the EE chip? I am really on the fence between buying a 60gb now and having the hardware B/C and waiting for the 80gb to price drop. Also, I heard eventually that the EE will be disabled altogether in favor on software emulation, even if your PS3 has the EE chip. Any truth to that?
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I think Phil has stated that the hardware can't be turned off if it is present in the PS3.
 
Razoric said:
The sky is falling.

You have douchebags in this thread saying there was no price drop eventhough you can go into a store, right now, and buy a system that was previously $599 for $100 cheaper.
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A price drop means that you can buy the product for less money. Being able to buy the product for the same price(s) that it sold for previously, but with upgraded features, is not a price drop; it's a hardware revision.

If they had kept manufacturing the cheapest SKU, and dropped that one down to $399, that would be a price drop.
 
Hey arne,

Maybe you could offer your services to Sony? Out of benevolence or pity; it doesn't really matter. They've cocked this up better than, "Ya know, things break." At least we could say to ourselves, "Well, yeah, that's kinda true." I don't know arne; I know you are teamed with MS but Sony could really use some help :lol!

This? Way to kill the logic of the 80gb + game package. If they replace the 60gb with a sole 80gb package, they've locked themselves into a PR nightmare. Will it be $499, making the 80gb + game package look like the worst "deal" ever? Or will they be forced to price the 80gb at something above $499, negating the initial price cut?

This is a wonder to behold! I'd love to see the bets employees are placing on which executives will still be around a year from now...
 
Segata Sanshiro said:
Nevertheless, when someone asks a direct question asking about the BC of the system and possible differences between the SKUs, shouldn't he be answered honestly? Console wars are fun and all, but this is someone's real money we're talking about here.
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Thanks for that and thanks for the answer you gave above. Not to derail the thread, but BC is a moderate concern for me because I always want to have at least one machine in my house in which I can stick the PlayStation or PS2 disc and play the game. Remakes and downloads and emulations and re-releases and ports are nice, but I paid for the real thing at least once, so I'd like to have it able to work for a long, long, long time. Thanks again for the help.
 
It may help to look at this from the PS3 motherboard perspective.

It hasn't exactly been a secret that the current PS3 which still currently contains some PS2 components will be gone eventually, phased out in favor of a pure software BC solution.

Looking at it that way, it's not a complete surprise that they're not planning on making more of the current 60gb PS3 model.

The 80gb SKU that's being discussed is by all indications is the PS3 with entirely software BC. This one has a re-worked motherboard with fewer components (no PS2 hardware at all, and a few other chips that was required to get the PS2 hardware to output to HDMI removed as well).

As others mentioned, it's completely insane right now to come out and say "oh we'll go ahead and drop the price on the 80gb sku as soon as you guys buy up all our old 60gb PS3's still in the channel."

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In short,

($499 model PS3 out now) current 60gb PS3 = old motherboard, PS2 components still a part of it. Still costs Sony an arm and a leg to produce. Not a huge surprise they don't want to keep producing this model.

($599 model PS3 bundle - targetted for the holidays) 80gb PS3 = latest revision of PS3 cost cutting. New motherboard with fewer components on it. No more PS2 hardware. Would cost Sony an arm to produce.

Assuming the 80gb PS3 isn't the PS3 with a die shrink, expect at least one more configuration some time down the line, though probably not for this holiday season.

The questionmark right now is whether or not SCEA's statement that they're confident they have enough stock of the 60gb PS3 to last through the holiday season. We probably won't get an answer for this until we get sales figures back to see how the price drop affected the PS3 sales.
 
As I said earlier in this thread, let us all not forget that rumble-enabled third-party controllers are coming in September. I am not exactly sure if we will see Sony's rumble controller, but it will likely factor in the bundle that is available in the latter part of this year.
 
Oblivion said:
If I missed something, forgive me, but why are people mentioning $499 80GB SKUs again? Kaz seems to have made it pretty clear
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Think McFly. If they say that the 80Gb will be $499 who the hell would buy it at $599? You gotta take in at least a few suckers.
 
This is probably what's going on at Sony PR now... well except for the half price banner

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"Sometimes... I think you want to fail."
 
May16 said:
Thanks for that and thanks for the answer you gave above. Not to derail the thread, but BC is a moderate concern for me because I always want to have at least one machine in my house in which I can stick the PlayStation or PS2 disc and play the game. Remakes and downloads and emulations and re-releases and ports are nice, but I paid for the real thing at least once, so I'd like to have it able to work for a long, long, long time. Thanks again for the help.
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Check your games with this:
http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/bcGames.htm
This is the European BC list, should be similar to what we will see when the EE-less PS3 comes here in August.

Oh and buy or borrow a memory card reader... unless you want to start over on all of your old games, heh. The latest firmware update added the ability to go from memory card to PS3, progress on PS3, and then go back to memory card. So I can play Final Fantasy 12 at home on the PS3, go my in-laws house and grind, and come back home and transfer new dater. Cool.
 
It's funny reading through the post over and over again and seeing how the sony fans keep updating their talking points, changing their predictions, and going love/hate on Reeves/Tretton/Kaz depending on the latest swing in news. Even sonycowboy is fun to read through the changing conditions. If you want to see on-the-fly, shifting, seat of your pants, second by second company defense, Sony fans are a wonder to watch in action.

They've successfully defended EVERY single shift that's occurred during this thread. At this point, Kaz could talk about a $699 SKU and you'll see some brilliantly crafted spin explaining how it still equates into a comprehensive and sensible business strategy.
 
Razoric said:
The sky is falling.

You have douchebags in this thread saying there was no price drop eventhough you can go into a store, right now, and buy a system that was previously $599 for $100 cheaper.
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Price of PS3 SKUs at launch: $500/600

Price of PS3 SKUs today: $500/600
 
Oblivion said:
If I missed something, forgive me, but why are people mentioning $499 80GB SKUs again? Kaz seems to have made it pretty clear
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Do people honestly think Sony is going to say "And after we clear out excess inventory of the 60GB model, we'll drop the 80GB to $499!"

They might as well just tell consumers to hold off buying any PS3 system completely and wait for the 80GB model to hit $499 in a few months.
 
Oni Jazar said:
Think McFly. If they say that the 80Gb will be $499 who the hell would buy it at $599? You gotta take in at least a few suckers.
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seriously this is SOOOO obvious... what's there goal of dropping the price 100 dollasr? ask yourself that... to clear out the 60 gbs right?

ok if they want to clear them out... but you can get an 80 gb model for the SAME price in just a few short months how in the hell are they going to clear those 60s out? The 80gb price cut will be hush hush until the 60 is on its way out... which won't but until much later this year.
 
The only info i need from Sony is: How long will they wait after the 60gb is discontinued, to drop the 80gb to $499. There's no way I'm falling into this "price drop" trap.
 
Gary Whitta said:
Price of PS3 SKUs at launch: $500/600

Price of PS3 SKUs today: $500/600
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Wow when did you become an internet troll? You should be above this you know?

Price of 60 GB PS3 SKU at launch: $599
Price of 60 GB PS3 SKU now: $499

That is a drop in price of $100.
 
msdstc said:
seriously this is SOOOO obvious... what's there goal of dropping the price 100 dollasr? ask yourself that... to clear out the 60 gbs right?

ok if they want to clear them out... but you can get an 80 gb model for the SAME price in just a few short months how in the hell are they going to clear those 60s out? The 80gb price cut will be hush hush until the 60 is on its way out... which won't but until much later this year.
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But not everyone knows that.

</supervillain laugh>
 
Well, that was quicker than I expected them to admit it. I think they took the pleas for transparency a bit too close to heart. Oh well, maybe people won't notice for awhile, at least not if they already have 2.5 million 60 GBs on store shelves.
 
Doctor_No said:
Talk about mixed messages and consumer confusion. Regardless of whatever the outcome of the actual news itself, Sony leadership has demonstrated that they can't keep a singular and simple message about their product.
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Consumer confusion? All they know now is the the old "high end" PS3 is $499, and there is one with a game and a bigger HD for $599. The average consumer will not be confused at all.
 
Ben Sones said:
I could buy a PS3 for $499 before this "price drop." So what's your point?
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No, you couldn't. The 20 Gb was available at launch and was totally gone by the middle of January/early February.

Now you can ACTUALLY buy a 499 PS3.
 
Ben Sones said:
I could buy a PS3 for $499 before this "price drop." So what's your point?
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Could you buy the premium PS3 that features the memory card adaptor, Wifi and 60 gb for $499 at launch? Could I walk into walmart last month and buy a $499 20 GB version of the PS3?

The answer to both of those is no. Quit being an idiot.
 
Okay, thinking about it I do feel silly for not realizing why they wouldn't come out and say it. It's funny cause I would point this out other times when execs would say there would be no upcoming price drop. :lol
 
The way I see this, everyone was right. The price cut crowd got their 15 minutes, and the GAFFers whose first instinct was to look at Sony's product strategy with the PSP and declare 'value packs' were right all along.
 
Gary Whitta said:
Price of PS3 SKUs at launch: $500/600

Price of PS3 SKUs today: $500/600
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Price of PS3 SKU TODAY! 499.
80gig sku isnt here yet.
And for your preemptive strike of retardism, Price when the new sku launchs 499/599 with a game.
 
Gary Whitta said:
Did they cancel the core unit? Why didn't anyone tell me??
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Hey:

Price of 60 GB PS3 SKU at launch: $599
Price of 60 GB PS3 SKU now: $499

That is a drop in price of $100.

Read that on your next podcast out loud. Maybe you'll understand it better.
 
Y2Kev said:
No, you couldn't.
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Uh but yeah you could. The launch of the system came before the price drop. Fairly basic stuff there.

They've marginally upgraded the specs of the low-end unit and introduced a higher-end unit. The SKU prices remain at $499/599, just as they were at launch. You've really got to be drinking the Sony Kool-Aid to see it otherwise.
 
Andvary said:
Just like MS, right, Shogmaster?
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Dude, didn't you get the meme? Next gen is all about winning the hearts and minds like Sony and MS. Only Nintendo's new-gen is screwing things up for teh industry! :lol
 
Y2Kev said:
No, you couldn't. The 20 Gb was available at launch and was totally gone by the middle of January/early February.

Now you can ACTUALLY buy a 499 PS3.
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EB had new 20 gig units in stock on their website as late as last Sunday, but were pulled on the announcement on Monday.
 
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