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[JavaMava]

This topic is ridiculous.

One does not wait to be injured, to see if they should defend themselves.

 

[itsinmyveins]

I believe someone should be welcome to say "Fuck you, pal."

If they're saying it on my driveway after following me home, I'd be concerned for my safety and if I had a weapon I'd want it handy. The risk factors are starting to pile on.

Well, they haven't followed you home as far as they know, maybe they're just thinking that you've pulled over or whatever. Either way, even if they stood on your driveway and yelled at you (only yelling and gesturing and shit), you think it's okay for you to draw a gun? And if your response to someone yelling at you is to draw a gun, doesn't that imply that they're entitled to do that too?

I'm sorry, but how can you not see that the aggression was initiated by the guy in the truck? Does the description in the OP and a later post not appear as if the guy in the truck is in a hostile mood? Also in your example, you would be just the same as the guy in the truck, so yes, you are the aggressive one. Nobody said the initiation of a situation is the aggressive one, but the initiation of behavior that can be or is violent. You could say that the OP was the initiator, unintentionally, of the situation but was not the one initiating the aggression.

edit: Upon reading your post again, I'm going to have to say I'm confused. Who are you saying is initiating the aggression? Also, did the dude in the truck block the car as to not let the OP out of his own driveway. If that is the case, isn't that more of a case for aggressive behavior.

I never said that the other guy didn't initiate it. He definitely seems hostile based on the description in the OP. Hostile enough to point a gun at him? I'm not so sure about that at all. But this is, of course, based on what I'm getting from reading the OP. Maybe the guy did seem extremely dangerous, I don't know.

I do agree with your point about the possibility of being the unintentionally initiator, which is what i was trying to point out to JayDubya. But that's kinda beside the point here, though.

So, for the sake of this argument, let's say that the other guy simply initiated the aggression. All I'm saying is that drawing a gun because someone might be aggressive once he's out of his car is to make the situation extremely more serious, and possibly very dangerous for people around as well, based on assumptions.

 

[JayDubya]

The guy could have also ran back to his truck...and pulled out his own gun and started firing. Nothing like a shootout in your drive-way.

This logic is strange.

The possibility of him having a gun was a factor in why you drew yours in the first place.

 

[JayDubya]

Well, they haven't followed you home as far as they know, maybe they're just thinking that you've pulled over or whatever. Either way, even if they stood on your driveway and yelled at you (only yelling and gesturing and shit), you think it's okay for you to draw a gun? And if your response to someone yelling at you is to draw a gun, doesn't that imply that they're entitled to do that too?

Of course not. Their aggressive behavior has led to you drawing your weapon.

If they then continued on to draw their own weapon, that would confirm their aggressive intent.

 

[gutter_trash]

broken legs, head concussions, busted teeth, yah... that is SMART way of defusing the situation

if you live in the US, why would you subject yourself to insane medical bills by taking your chances in a fist fight anyway?

 

[itsinmyveins]

Of course not. Their aggressive behavior has led to you drawing your weapon.

If they then continued on to draw their own weapon, that would confirm their aggressive intent.

So, what you're saying is that drawing a gun on someone pointing a gun on you isn't okay, but drawing a gun on someone who yells at you is? WTF?

What constitutes aggressive behavior, and when is it okay to draw a gun? Someone being passive aggressive? Someone flipping you off? Someone saying "fuck you"?

 

[Monroeski]

God, the arguments in here seem so far out on the edges of possibility it's hilarious.

You know, there IS a middle ground between A. standing still and waiting for the guy to punch you in the face and B. Taking the safety off a gun and ducking for cover like you're going to immediately open fire.

Having a gun and using it to defend your home doesn't automatically make you a gun nut.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Except for the Australia statistics that were already posted.

On the other hand: "Lies, damned lies, and statistics."

I might be guilty of just assuming that Aussie is just the same as NZ (where I'm from) since it normally is, perhaps not in this case. Haven't seen the stats.

however, these arguments are always ridiculous.

obviously the people who live with gun control see the pros of it, obviously the people who live in 'guns for all' land should learn to use one safely. The rest is just preference.

However, the OP has proven many times over that he's a fucking gun nut. You can smell his pride at nearly getting the oppurtunity to kill a man and if he had have he would have done so.

I think that the situation probably didn't need to escalate so quickly.

 

[aoi tsuki]

The one thing that bothers me every time i see this thread is that the OP thinks he owned some guy. This isn't a scene from a movie where we can enjoy the displays of machismo because it's fictional and well-presented. Someone could've been hurt or killed over something so trivial it's stupid. Fortunately, that wasn't the case.

For the record, i don't own a gun and have never shot one. i do intend on visiting a firing range to at least have the experience and and to gain some small bit of perspective on the appeal of guns.

It's really hard for me to know just what i'd do in this situation if i owned a gun. Not being a gun owner, i probably would've driven to a public place, prepare for a fight but try to calm him down. But just being in public doesn't necessarily mean that it would stop the truck driver from getting violent, and it definitely doesn't mean that others would get involved given the bystander effect. There's just way too many unknowns here, particularly with it being one-sided, secondhand information.

 

[harSon]

Why in the hell would you pull into your house knowing a pissed individual is following you? What if he comes back later?

 

[bastionwords]

So, what you're saying is that drawing a gun on someone pointing a gun on you isn't okay, but drawing a gun on someone who yells at you is? WTF?

What constitutes aggressive behavior, and when is it okay to draw a gun? Someone being passive aggressive? Someone flipping you off? Someone saying "fuck you"?

Well, this has been covered in this thread quite a bit. In this case, somebody following you to your house and parking on your property with the intent to block you in your driveway to keep you from leaving. He was in his legal right to do this action. The big key thing here is that this is Vizer's own property, and this guy was not invited and is being way to aggressive. There are multiple ways this situation could have been handled, but Vizer did nothing illegal. No matter what, the situation was diffused without anyone being hurt.

The one thing that bothers me every time i see this thread is that the OP thinks he owned some guy. This isn't a scene from a movie where we can enjoy the displays of machismo because it's fictional and well-presented. Someone could've been hurt or killed over something so trivial it's stupid. Fortunately, that wasn't the case.

I will agree with this statement. Why the need to post that you owned the person? I do believe Vizer had a hard on after the situation was over.

 

[itsinmyveins]

Well, this has been covered in this thread quite a bit. In this case, somebody following you to your house and parking on your property with the intent to block you in your driveway to keep you from leaving. He was in his legal right to do this action. The big key thing here is that this is Vizer's own property, and this guy was not invited and is being way to aggressive. There are multiple ways this situation could have been handled, but Vizer did nothing illegal. No matter what, the situation was diffused without anyone being hurt.

He intended to block him from leaving his house he just reached? Except from pulling up there behind him I'm not seeing this aggressive behavior (apart from "foaming around the mouth" earlier, then). And since the guy left as soon as he saw the gun as he was stepping out of his car we can't know for sure if he was was gonna try to pick a fight or just argue or whatever. Maybe he was gonna try and beat him up -- I don't know.

Either way, my point is that I think it sounds like a situation escalating very fast. And I'm not saying it's illegal (well, where I live it definitely would be though).

 

[PapiShasho]

I've changed my viewpoint since yesterday. OP was fine with what he did. JayDubya made me see the light :lol

I don't even know what I was thinking. Even if the other guy wasn't gonna kill anyone, why should OP have to get into a fight when he was minding his own business. Fuck that other guy.

Maybe I just felt like taking the opposing viewpoint for the sake of argument. I do that sometimes.

 

[bastionwords]

He intended to block him from leaving his house he just reached? Except from pulling up there behind him I'm not seeing this aggressive behavior (apart from "foaming around the mouth" earlier, then). And since the guy left as soon as he saw the gun as he was stepping out of his car we can't know for sure if he was was gonna try to pick a fight or just argue or whatever. Maybe he was gonna try and beat him up -- I don't know.

Either way, my point is that I think it sounds like a situation escalating very fast. And I'm not saying it's illegal (well, where I live it definitely would be though).

Blocking him in a manner that would not allow him to flee in a vehicle, or he just wanted a stylish way of jumping out of his vehicle. Reading the whole story and picturing it makes me laugh, but I can't hold anything against what Vizer did. The whole situation was one escalation after another except the gun which diffused the situation. Your escalation is a hypothetical because absolutely nothing happened after the guy saw the gun except for him fleeing the scene. We will never know what the guy would have done. nada zero

 

[itsinmyveins]

The whole situation was one escalation after another except the gun which diffused the situation. Your escalation is a hypothetical because absolutely nothing happened after the guy saw the gun except for him fleeing the scene. We will never know what the guy would have done. nada zero

He fled the scene after a gun was pointed at him. That's quite the escalation, imho, and hardly hypothetical.

EDIT: I.e., I consider pointing a gun as being the most aggressive thing in the OP, even though he might not have initiated the whole thing.

 

[Zeke]

The guy could have also ran back to his truck...and pulled out his own gun and started firing. Nothing like a shootout in your drive-way.

then he gets charged with assault with a deadly weapon,trespassing since this is happening on private property, having an unlicensed weapon (if it applies), and maybe even attempted murder. I'm sure if that was the case and the op saw the guy pull a gun of his own thats as far as it would have gone since the op already had his weapon at the ready.

He fled the scene after a gun was pointed at him. That's quite the escalation, imho, and hardly hypothetical.

EDIT: I.e., I consider pointing a gun as being the most aggressive thing in the OP, even though he might not have initiated the whole thing.

to me the escalation started with the tailgating and flicking the brights at the op and escalated even more when the guy followed him to his own home and peaked as he tried to confront the op.

 

[bastionwords]

He fled the scene after a gun was pointed at him. That's quite the escalation, imho, and hardly hypothetical.

EDIT: I.e., I consider pointing a gun as being the most aggressive thing in the OP, even though he might not have initiated the whole thing.

I fail to see how the end of a confrontation is an escalation of the situation. If it escalated, the man would not have fled.

I would consider Vinzer pulling out the gun as an aggressive defense, but he was not the aggressor in this situation.

 

[Zeke]

also whats with the pointing the weapon at the guy? I've tried to keep up with this thread the best I could did the op state anywhere in this thread he pointed his gun at the guy? The op says nothing like that just "safety off, rack the slide back in plain view"

 

[Okin]

He fled the scene after a gun was pointed at him. That's quite the escalation, imho, and hardly hypothetical.

EDIT: I.e., I consider pointing a gun as being the most aggressive thing in the OP, even though he might not have initiated the whole thing.

Vinzer didn't point his gun at the guy, he only took it out of his holster and made sure the guy could see it.

Does that alter your viewpoint now in any way?

 

[totowhoa]

:lol :lol This topic is great. Has nobody else here been chased by a guy with road rage for some stupid reason (you gave an out-of-control driver the finger or something)? I have, but only for a short distance, and it's scary as fuck. Assuming this guy was actually chased, as opposed to followed, then that's aggressive. Wielding a gun is not a stupid action, so long as the person understands firearm safety and the legality issues actually of firing the gun (specifically, when it is self defense for life).

 

[UnholySpectacle]

I fail to see how the end of a confrontation is an escalation of the situation. If it escalated, the man would not have fled.

I would consider Vinzer pulling out the gun as an aggressive defense, but he was not the aggressor in this situation.

THIS! What the OP did was the right thing in my eyes. If the guy was crazy enough to follow him home, showing the guy that you are prepared to defend yourself was the right thing. I dont understand most of the logic in this thread:

A. Fight it out with your hands like a man..(yes, because the OP obviouly needed to brawl with the guy) /sarcasm
B. Maybe he just wanted to yell at you..(WTF people? He followed the guy to yell for a few minutes?)
C. What if he pulled a gun on you? (Then the OP was prepared)

The OP took no chances and it stopped what could have been a violent incident. All of you who are saying that it *might* not have gotten violent, need to look at this from the OP's eyes. I doubt I would wait for the guy to punch me before drawing my weapon if someone had tailed me home, that is some scary shit.

 

[JayDubya]

He fled the scene after a gun was pointed at him. That's quite the escalation, imho, and hardly hypothetical.

Perhaps, but you're assuming others are concerned about "escalation" or "disproportionate response."

I'm not.

I'm concerned with "Who started the conflict?" and "Who's acting justly within their rights and who is not?"

If someone intends to assault me and then leave, and I shoot him, that is a disproportionate response. And it's also totally a just one, because not only did I not know the limits of what action he was willing to take, he also had no right to assault me, while I had every right to defend myself.

EDIT: I.e., I consider pointing a gun as being the most aggressive thing in the OP, even though he might not have initiated the whole thing.

This sentence contradicts the meanings of the words within it.

If you did not initiate the conflict, drawing the gun is not aggressive at all.

 

[aoi tsuki]

I fail to see how the end of a confrontation is an escalation of the situation. If it escalated, the man would not have fled.

I would consider Vinzer pulling out the gun as an aggressive defense, but he was not the aggressor in this situation.

Neither party knew the other had any sort of weapon at this point, or that there was even any intent to harm the other. Implied intent to harm, sure. But not known. Vinzer pulling the gun out made it known that he had a weapon, and pulling the saftey off and racking the slide made it known that he was ready to use it. This escalated the situation.

This was enough of a deterrent to scare the guy off. Of course, there's the possibility the guy could've pulled out a gun of his own, there'd be a suburban shootout, someone dies, and so on. Sometimes the other party will back down, and sometimes they'll respond in kind.

 

[J-Rzez]

Are you talking about serious criminals? There could be special forces that carry guns only for these kind of operations. But cops at the streets shouldn't carry guns because many of them stupid and trigger-happy.

So. I'm supposed to protect others from criminals, who can be easily equipped with various weapons including illegal firearms, with a baton, while I wait for SWAT/SOG to deploy? And don't say "many of them are stupid", way to generalize there dude. You're all trained properly in the academy to proper situational handling of said firearm. And just because you're a cop doesn't mean you have real fears of using your weapon either. If it's considered NOT justified, you're going to jail. You know, where criminals are locked up. And then they find out you're an ex-cop?

This thread is just simply out of control.

And LOL at the guy, "but why shoot someone over a fight?". Because you don't know the extent of the fight. People CAN die from even regular fist fighting, or slightly less, become disfigured for the rest of their lives. Don't be so blissfully ignorant.

Do we all want to live in a world where all criminal activity would consist of is your neighbor watering your flowers, and the only verbal disputes arising over who's paying for the dinner bill? Yes. But that world isn't here and now. And due to human nature, it won't be for a long time.

 

[Zeke]

Neither party knew the other had any sort of weapon at this point, or that there was even any intent to harm the other. Implied intent to harm, sure. But not known. Vinzer pulling the gun out made it known that he had a weapon, and pulling the saftey off and racking the slide made it known that he was ready to use it. This escalated the situation.

This was enough of a deterrent to scare the guy off. Of course, there's the possibility the guy could've pulled out a gun of his own, there'd be a suburban shootout, someone dies, and so on. Sometimes the other party will back down, and sometimes they'll respond in kind.

again if that happened I seriously doubt that guy would have been able to fire off any rounds since the op already had his weapon ready not to mention if the other guy did pull out a gun and started shooting he's facing felony charges.

 

[Darklord]

This logic is strange.

The possibility of him having a gun was a factor in why you drew yours in the first place.

No the logic is simple. The guy wanted to kick his arse, saw he had a gun and instead went for his own.

then he gets charged with assault with a deadly weapon,trespassing since this is happening on private property, having an unlicensed weapon (if it applies), and maybe even attempted murder. I'm sure if that was the case and the op saw the guy pull a gun of his own thats as far as it would have gone since the op already had his weapon at the ready.

Yeah, I'm sure he'd have given a shit about the charges. Also the op didn't shoot when he ran back to the car, instead of driving off he'd have pulled it out. That's about less than a second for him to shoot and kill the guy.

This isn't a game. You don't just stand there with bullets flying around. The op would probably be stunned for a moment(like I'm sure the other guy would have been) and possibly taken(more) cover giving him no shot.

 

[bastionwords]

Neither party knew the other had any sort of weapon at this point, or that there was even any intent to harm the other. Implied intent to harm, sure. But not known. Vinzer pulling the gun out made it known that he had a weapon, and pulling the saftey off and racking the slide made it known that he was ready to use it. This escalated the situation.

This was enough of a deterrent to scare the guy off. Of course, there's the possibility the guy could've pulled out a gun of his own, there'd be a suburban shootout, someone dies, and so on. Sometimes the other party will back down, and sometimes they'll respond in kind.

Nope, still looks like he diffused the situation which implies the opposite of escalate. I will never argue that multiple outcomes can occur. We can discuss all the hypothetical situations we want. How did the action of pulling the gun out, turning of the safety, and racking the slide escalate the situation if nothing occurred after this action except the guy leaving? If the confrontation continued after what Vinzer did, I would agree that it escalated what was occuring. No matter what, this situation ended with one of the better possibilities.

 

[Zeke]

No the logic is simple. The guy wanted to kick his arse, saw he had a gun and instead went for his own.



Yeah, I'm sure he'd have given a shit about the charges. Also the op didn't shoot when he ran back to the car, instead of driving off he'd have pulled it out. That's about less than a second for him to shoot and kill the guy.

This isn't a game. You don't just stand there with bullets flying around. The op would probably be stunned for a moment(like I'm sure the other guy would have been) and possibly taken(more) cover giving him no shot.

so now we're back to more what if's. What if the op saw the guy taking a gun out what if the guy had to do the same thing take the saftey off and cock the weapon what if the op didn't freeze what if the op recognized the danger immediately. Doesn't matter if the guy cared about the laws or not fact of the matter is his life as he knew it is fucking over.

 

[Darklord]

so now we're back to more what if's. What if the op saw the guy taking a gun out what if the guy had to do the same thing take the saftey off and cock the weapon what if the op didn't freeze what if the op recognized the danger immediately. Doesn't matter if the guy cared about the laws or not fact of the matter is his life as he knew it is fucking over.

Unless he's a cop or in the army. He's be stunned for a moment. Anyone would.

 

[Zeke]

Unless he's a cop or in the army. He's be stunned for a moment. Anyone would.

but we don't know for sure do we? Not all people freeze up like a deer in headlights granted I'd assume a great majoirty if people would freeze up.

 

[itsinmyveins]

to me the escalation started with the tailgating and flicking the brights at the op and escalated even more when the guy followed him to his own home and peaked as he tried to confront the op.

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also whats with the pointing the weapon at the guy? I've tried to keep up with this thread the best I could did the op state anywhere in this thread he pointed his gun at the guy? The op says nothing like that just "safety off, rack the slide back in plain view"

Yes, I agree with that, but it peaked with the OP drawing a gun though.

But you're right, I assumed he pretty much threatened the guy with the gun by pointing it at him while he was crouching by the car. So I guess that's better, but I still consider it being the most aggressive move -- even though he didn't initiate the whole thing.

I fail to see how the end of a confrontation is an escalation of the situation. If it escalated, the man would not have fled.

I would consider Vinzer pulling out the gun as an aggressive defense, but he was not the aggressor in this situation.

He escalated the situation and the man fled. I didn't say he was the aggressor, but drawing a gun is a far more serious thing than trying to get someone to pull over by blinking at him.

Perhaps, but you're assuming others are concerned about "escalation" or "disproportionate response."

I'm not.

I'm concerned with "Who started the conflict?" and "Who's acting justly within their rights and who is not?"

If someone intends to assault me and then leave, and I shoot him, that is a disproportionate response. And it's also totally a just one, because not only did I not know the limits of what action he was willing to take, he also had no right to assault me, while I had every right to defend myself.

Yes, I'm concerned with disproportionate response, and that's what I'm arguing about here. Then again, I think you're going in circles with your arguments -- one minute saying it's fine and free speech to yell at someone else and in the next saying that it's okay to draw a gun at someone doing that, which kinda defies logic.

This sentence contradicts the meanings of the words within it.

If you did not initiate the conflict, drawing the gun is not aggressive at all.

Dude, you're contradicting yourself.

Defence is defence as long as it's in proportion, past that I'd say it's aggressive.

 

[aoi tsuki]

Nope, still looks like he diffused the situation which implies the opposite of escalate. I will never argue that multiple outcomes can occur. We can discuss all the hypothetical situations we want. How did the action of pulling the gun out, turning of the safety, and racking the slide escalate the situation if nothing occurred after this action except the guy leaving? If the confrontation continued after what Vinzer did, I would agree that it escalated what was occuring. No matter what, this situation ended with one of the better possibilities.

i guess you're right. The outcome of Vinzer's actions brought the situation to a close, so the situation itself didn't escalate. Poor use of words on my part. i should've said "escalation of risk" or something like that.

i'm ducking out of this thread before i get sucked into semantics battles and creating hypothetical situations. :lol

 

[itsinmyveins]

i guess you're right. The outcome of Vinzer's actions brought the situation to a close, so the situation itself didn't escalate. Poor use of words on my part. i should've said "escalation of risk" or something like that.

Well, that's pretty much my point too, and I don't think the response was in proportion to the threat -- but again, that's just my take on the OP's text.

 

[bastionwords]

Well, that's pretty much my point too, and I don't think the response was in proportion to the threat -- but again, that's just my take on the OP's text.

Hell, I wouldn't have the same response either. However, I wouldn't downplay the other guy's actions.

 

[itsinmyveins]

Hell, I wouldn't have the same response either. However, I wouldn't downplay the other guy's actions.

Yeah, the other guy clearly did some wrong things (following him for a couple of miles, blinking at him, pulling up behind him etc), but that doesn't mean he's gonna brutally assault him, which every other post in this thread seems to assume. That's my point, and that's why I think it was out of proportion. If the guy had jumped out of his car with a weapon of some kind it'd be a totally different thing, imho.

 

[TheRagnCajun]

I think America's gun culture is crazy, but if I lived there I'd have a gun too. You don't want to be the only guy without a gun! :lol

 

[GodofWine]

If a man follows me to my house and gets out of his car when I get out of mine, I'll run into my house, leave the door unlocked and open behind me, and if he come's into my house, may god have mercy on his soul, cause I can then dispatch of him however I see fit.

Though I never expect that to occur. I do keep a 21 inch expanding baton in my car, just cause you never know.

I think the OP was fine in his actions, though they do leave open the POTENTIAL for all kinds of legal issues.

 

[eznark]

Yeah, the other guy clearly did some wrong things (following him for a couple of miles, blinking at him, pulling up behind him etc), but that doesn't mean he's gonna brutally assault him, which every other post in this thread seems to assume. That's my point, and that's why I think it was out of proportion. If the guy had jumped out of his car with a weapon of some kind it'd be a totally different thing, imho.

Pulling a gun doesn't mean he is going to shoot him, either.

 

[itsinmyveins]

Pulling a gun doesn't mean he is going to shoot him, either.

No, it doesn't, but what if that'd make the other guy fear for his life and he's also carrying one?

 

[RSTEIN]

I think America's gun culture is crazy, but if I lived there I'd have a gun too. You don't want to be the only guy without a gun! :lol

Yeah, I'm amazed by this thread. I live in probably the second or third scariest place in Toronto, Canada's biggest city. The thought of carrying a gun, or even owning a gun, is something that has never ever crossed my mind. It's just an idea that's so foreign... I can't even really comprehend it. I feel like I live on a different planet when I read this thread.

 

[Deleted member 21120]

So if someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night, would it be right or wrong to shoot/stab them first and ask questions later?

 

[bastionwords]

So if someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night, would it be right or wrong to shoot/stab them first and ask questions later?

What is stopping you from doing both at the same time? Multitasking can save you time!

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

No, it doesn't, but what if that'd make the other guy fear for his life and he's also carrying one?

Then good thing the OP already has his gun out.

What if the OP doesn't pull his gun out and the asshole does?

What is the asshole is carrying a live grenade?

What if he is just trying to tell him he left his gas cap unscrewed and open?

All these what ifs are retarded. OP clearly made the right call and no harm came to either party because of it.

 

[TimeLike]

If this had happened to me, I think I would have gotten out of my car, put my hand on my gun so the guy could see it, and very loudly tell him to back off. I really don't think I would have cleared leather unless the guy kept coming at me or had a weapon.

 

[biggkidd32]

Yeah, I'm amazed by this thread. I live in probably the second or third scariest place in Toronto, Canada's biggest city. The thought of carrying a gun, or even owning a gun, is something that has never ever crossed my mind. It's just an idea that's so foreign... I can't even really comprehend it. I feel like I live on a different planet when I read this thread.

I wouldn't base your worldview on a NeoGAF thread. The amount of people who carry concealed weapons in the United States is trifling at best.

 

[itsinmyveins]

Then good thing the OP already has his gun out.

What if the OP doesn't pull his gun out and the asshole does?

What is the asshole is carrying a live grenade?

What if he is just trying to tell him he left his gas cap unscrewed and open?

All these what ifs are retarded. OP clearly made the right call and no harm came to either party because of it.

But you're the guys who're assuming the guy was gonna attack him -- not me! Shouldn't "what if he attacks me" also be in that list? That's also a "what if"-scenario, you know, since the guy didn't do it.

 

[KTallguy]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RPofRQdREyU&feature=related

Wow. What a couple of morons. I think he's totally justified to pull a gun in this case.
As much as I don't like guns, this video shows the need for them in a society full of fucking morons who harass eachother and are happy to push their dissatisfaction of their own lives onto other people.

Edit: And the fact that he pulled into a deserted road where there was no chance to hurt innocent bystanders is a huge plus.

 

[WordAssassin]

Self-defense. Not fucking jiu-jitsu or something. And yes, self-defense is...you know, for defending yourself. Although it requires a bit of work. Guns are much easier for the lazy and if someone dies because of it, well I'm sure they deserved it, right?

It was also my last comment, I also said use less lethal things like sprays, tazer or a knife. A tazer can drop a guy in a second without blowing his head off while doing it.

Yeah instead it can blow up his heart! That's always pretty cool!

And you said take up martial arts. Every martial art is the art of self defense. You can't pick and choose which one you think is the least deadly. Every one of them teaches you how to avoid (forcefully) a physical confrontation by disarming and dropping your opponent as quickly as possible - and as someone else said, in a manner in which they will not get up again.

 

[Duke Togo]

Pulling a combat knife and licking the blade would have been more hardcore. Although the gun trick does come in a very close second. :lol

 

[Mister_Mingi]

haha guns