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[Stinkles]

You can kind of tell which people had the privilege of growing up in a nice neighborhood in this thread.

No you can't. You can assume.

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

i agree with people condemning the OPs actions. Next time let the man beat you up on your front lawn instead of finding a nonviolent solution.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

i agree with people condemning the OPs actions. Next time let the man beat you up on your front lawn instead of finding a nonviolent solution.

Nah, next time he can just hope he doesn't pull it out on someone else who has a gun.

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

Nah, next time he can just hope he doesn't pull it out on someone else who has a gun.

If the other guy has a gun, then we can assume he would be willing to use it. How would it be in the OPs interest not to have a gun in this situation?

There is an unspoken rule in firearms: The person who has theirs out first wins. Once he saw the OPs gun, he instinctively knew to run. There is almost no chance he would reach for his own gun if the person standing in front of him already has his out, doing so would be a death sentence.


But again, the OPs actions prevented a violent outcome. The chance of a firefight breaking out in suburbia in the middle of the day is next to zero while the chances of the attacker punching an unarmed man or fleeing from an armed man are quite high.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

If the other guy has a gun, then we can assume he would be willing to use it. How would it be in the OPs interest not to have a gun in this situation?

So you're telling me you think the man would've responded the same exact way if he had had a gun on him?

 

[Okin]

So you're telling me you think the man would've responded the same exact way if he had had a gun on him?

Are you dense? If the other guy had a gun, pulling it out would get him shot by Vinzer.

 

[PapiShasho]

There is an unspoken rule in firearms: The person who has theirs out first wins.

No there isn't, you just made this up right now on the spot. Sounds cool, though.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

Are you dense? If the other guy had a gun, pulling it out would get him shot by Vinzer.

Guess I'm just a unique individual in that I'd reach for a weapon when one is pulled against me. Especially if I was visibly unarmed originally. I would think the opposing threat was a psycho and would be prepared to defend myself.

Is that weird?

 

[benita316]

I looked through the bolded parts in all the comments that you posted out of context, and I couldn't find where I recommended pulling out a gun anytime something horrible like a FIGHT would break out. Did I miss it?

I just thought it was cute that you claim to "avoid confrontation".

Although I suppose physically dominating females wouldn't be a confrontation in your book seeing as how you clearly consider them inferior beings in need of "educating".

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

Guess I'm just a unique individual in that I'd reach for a weapon when one is pulled against me. Especially if I was visibly unarmed originally. I would think the opposing threat was a psycho and would be prepared to defend myself.

Is that weird?

i dont think you are imagining it right.

If someone pulls out a weapon unexpectedly, your gut reaction will be to avoid harm. You will also instinctively not want to agitate the person holding the weapon, which pulling out your own is bound to do. If you pull out a weapon, you are guaranteed to be shot at. The same cannot be said if you try to flee.

 

[PapiShasho]

I just thought it was cute that you claim to "avoid confrontation".

Although I suppose physically dominating females wouldn't be a confrontation in your book seeing as how you clearly consider them inferior beings in need of "educating".

I claim it because it's true. Nothing that you posted confirms that I look for trouble, and instead of pathetically looking through all my posts to find excerpts to post, read the whole thread those quotes came from. Yes, I consider any woman who comes at me with a knife or even who punches me for no reason an inferior being and I'll treat them like the inferior beings they are.

And please, posting the "What violent streak you idiot Ill rip your fucking head off" thing just makes you look stupid because it's clearly a joke.

 

[KingJ2002]

Just got home from work. This impatient retard in a red Chevy S10 pickup was 3 car back and just cuts over to the far right lane exiting off the freeway and slams on his brake behind me. I can see the tard foaming at the mouth in the rear view. Thinking nothing of it, I turn right at a red light at intersection (you can make a right hand turn on red, just need to treat the light as a stop sign) and he doesn't bother to even do a rolling stop.

He gets on my ass right away, flashing his hi beams at me. I turn into my neighborhood a few blocks up and he follows me and as I pull up into my driveway he pulls up right behind me on my property. Door flings open. I see him do this and I get out of my car immediately, thinking the worst. I hurry around to the passenger side while upholstering my concealed pistol, safety off, rack the slide back in plain view. I crouched behind the rear quarter panel as cover. The guy's eyes widen, he runs back into his truck and slams it into reverse and backs out nearly hits my across the street neighbor's car and punches it down the street with his head down.

Situation diffused, no shots fired, no one hurt/dead and 1 guy who will think twice about being a aggressive driving dick and following people home. :lol

well played.

 

[AmishNazi]

No you can't. You can assume.

And he assumed wrong. Revenge in the ghetto would never allow me to A) Lead someone right to my house (even if they do flee it's not over) B) Pull a gun on some one who hasn't actually threatened me (following you home is irrational but not a life threatening act).

Hope you like sugar in your tank or any number of things this guy can do to you now.

 

[-Clover]

CCW saves a lives. Well at least good people.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=376_1231397528

 

[Okin]

Guess I'm just a unique individual in that I'd reach for a weapon when one is pulled against me. Especially if I was visibly unarmed originally. I would think the opposing threat was a psycho and would be prepared to defend myself.

Is that weird?

Considering that you're speaking from the point of view of someone who followed someone else on to their property looking for a fight, I'm not sure how this argument even makes sense.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

Considering that you're speaking from the point of view of someone who followed someone else on to their property looking for a fight, I'm not sure how this argument even makes sense.

Pulling a gun on me because I followed them and got out of my vehicle?

 

[WickedAngel]

CCW saves a lives. Well at least good people.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=376_1231397528

Murderer! He obviously should have handled the situation with his hands; that man could have simply been trying to give the clerk a hug. How could you know what his intent was?!

 

[biggkidd32]

Pulling a gun on me because I followed them and got out of my vehicle?

You do forget that you just followed a total stranger to their home after a heated altercation.

Do you expect to be greeted with roses? Who knows what the other person thought you were capable of doing by even going to that extent of following him to his home.

 

[gutter_trash]

Murderer! He obviously should have handled the situation with his hands; that man could have simply been trying to give the clerk a hug. How could you know what his intent was?!

one less robber in the world is a better world, poor lady she did not deserve that, especially getting pinned down under the counter

robber deserved what he got,

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

Pulling a gun on me because I followed them and got out of my vehicle?

you dont see why someone would want to defend themselves in this situation? An enraged stranger followed him several miles to his home then exited his vehicle to approach him, presumably still in a rage.


PS. I am not surprised at all the guy in the story drove a truck.

 

[Stinkles]

An enraged stranger followed him several miles to his home

He gets on my ass right away, flashing his hi beams at me. I turn into my neighborhood a few blocks up and he follows me and as I pull up into my driveway

Detail.

 

[J-Rzez]

If this guy would've charged at him, more than likely it would've been a justified shooting. He seemingly had suffered enough that he feared his life, subject followed him for miles, subject followed him onto his property, got out of the vehicle, and I assume approached since he said he then ran back to his vehicle.

To be completely honest though, if someone was that crazy to go to that length over road rage, and you pulled a gun on him and didn't shoot him, I'd be concerned about him following up. The thing about conceal carry is you should only really pull on someone if you're going to shoot them.

What if you mistook him running back to his truck as fleeing and instead he pulls out his piece then? Or has one on him but went to take cover?

There are so many i's to dot and t's to cross when you conceal carry unfortunately, but if you weren't going to shoot him, you may have been better off being at ready-draw position inconspicuously and speaking up first.

 

[Zeke]

Pulling a gun on me because I followed them and got out of my vehicle?

are you really that dense that you don't see a problem with following someone home during a case of road rage and confronting them at THEIR house? You think that is perfectly acceptable behavior and that the person you are following and trying to confront wouldn't automatically assume the worse?

 

[J-Rzez]

are you really that dense that you don't see a problem with following someone home during a case of road rage and confronting them at THEIR house? You think that is perfectly acceptable behavior and that the person you are following and trying to confront wouldn't automatically assume the worse?

People don't want you to have any rights. Especially the right to defend your very life anymore. People are too empathetic to the aggressor in society, the scum of our population, putting more value on their life than on your own. It's really sad the way society has been dissolving to the point where if a burglar falls through a sun panel on your roof onto a knife left out on your counter that they should be able to sue you.

They're all about preserving life, just not your own.

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

lol @ people seeing the OP escalated the situation. I doubt he was going to say "Hey buddy, I didn't appreciate what you did. I'd like an apology but if not I understand." I woulda backed out on homeboy too. Shouldn't have went to the crib though, but considering he ran off like a bitch, I doubt he'll come back.

 

[Agent Ghost]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RPofRQdREyU&feature=related

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

Guess I'm just a unique individual in that I'd reach for a weapon when one is pulled against me. Especially if I was visibly unarmed originally. I would think the opposing threat was a psycho and would be prepared to defend myself.

Is that weird?

Umm...if you followed me to my house and get out your car while im in my driveway, YOU would be the opposing threat that's a psycho and I'd be prepared to defend myself.

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

You do forget that you just followed a total stranger to their home after a heated altercation.

Do you expect to be greeted with roses? Who knows what the other person thought you were capable of doing by even going to that extent of following him to his home.

lol exactly. I wish I knew clover so I could road rage him follow him all the way to his home flashing my lights and see if he doesn't either A) call the cops or B) try to fight me....then I'll hit him with this....

 

[FunkyMunkey]

are you really that dense that you don't see a problem with following someone home during a case of road rage and confronting them at THEIR house? You think that is perfectly acceptable behavior and that the person you are following and trying to confront wouldn't automatically assume the worse?

Jesus CHRIST you have the fucking audacity to call me dense when you think that when I say pulling a gun out on him is wrong, that I automatically think it's acceptable behavior to follow him?

At least WickedAngel is a fairly intelligent(although very rude) person to argue/disagree with... but you? If you're going to quote me and reply at least make sense. :lol :lol :lol

Umm...if you followed me to my house and get out your car while im in my driveway, YOU would be the opposing threat that's a psycho and I'd be prepared to defend myself.

I'm just trying to clarify here that you think following someone a few blocks off the main path to their house is deserving of having an un-safty'd gun leveled towards you? Is that right?

You must live your life like you're walking on eggshells all day.

 

[Zeke]

Jesus CHRIST you have the fucking audacity to call me dense when you think that when I say pulling a gun out on him is wrong, that I automatically think it's acceptable behavior to follow him?

At least WickedAngel is a fairly intelligent(although very rude) person to argue/disagree with... but you? If you're going to quote me and reply at least make sense. :lol :lol :lol

I didn't call you dense I asked if you were there is a difference. This has nothing to do with a gun right now. Its the fact you seem to think following someone home in a fit of rage was acceptable and wouldn't warrant someone to be ready to defend themselves. As your last post seemed to imply if I read/interpreted that wrong fine I apologize.

I'm just trying to clarify here that you think following someone a few blocks off the main path to their house is deserving of having an un-safty'd gun leveled towards you? Is that right?

You must live your life like you're walking on eggshells all day.

theres no reason for a person to follow you to YOUR house ever unless they were invited. Especially when they are in a fit of rage and trying to confront you about the situation.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

I didn't call you dense I asked if you were there is a difference. This has nothing to do with a gun right now. Its the fact you seem to think following someone home in a fit of rage was acceptable and wouldn't warrant someone to be ready to defend themselves. As your last post seemed to imply if I read/interpreted that wrong fine I apologize.

I just disagree that it warrants a situation where the man's life was a split-second from being taken. Is it acceptable to follow him to his home? No way! But pulling a gun on him should be the very last solution to the problem. Especially with the safety off. That's all. And no apologies necessary man, I was just called dense a few posts up this page which is why I jumped.

 

[∀ Narayan]

arguing for the sake of arguing gets old fast

Yes, it does. A lot of the arguments in this thread are asinine.

Newsflash, morons. It doesn't make you look more intelligent.

 

[WordAssassin]

I would rather get punched in the face than kill someone and destroy his family and ruin my life, yes. Or better yet, kick his ass.

Yes, because guns ONLY kill people. They do not wound, or startle, or even scare people by their mere sight, they ONLY kill and nothing else, ever.

 

[Zeke]

I just disagree that it warrants a situation where the man's life was a split-second from being taken. Is it acceptable to follow him to his home? No way! But pulling a gun on him should be the very last solution to the problem. That's all. And no apologies necessary man, I was just called dense a few posts up this page which is why I jumped.

I can agree with that, that should be the last solution but in cases like these you can't give a hot head following you home the benefit of the doubt. My mom was on jury a few years ago that involved road rage the victim was killed on the side of the road.

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

you think that when I say pulling a gun out on him is wrong, that I automatically think it's acceptable behavior to follow him?

Actually thats exactly what this post sounded like, whether it was your intent or not:
"Pulling a gun on me because I followed them and got out of my vehicle?"

You make it seem like it is no big deal. Again, regardless of intent, that is simply how it reads.

I'm just trying to clarify here that you think following someone a few blocks off the main path to their house is deserving of having an un-safty'd gun leveled towards you? Is that right?

Want to point out that the OP never claimed to have pointed his gun at the man, he simply made its presence known. Following someone to their home, exiting your vehicle, and approaching them is a threat. So is brandishing a weapon. However, there is a huge difference between showing your gun and actually taking aim, which by the OPs account never happened.

 

[JetSetRadio]

Now you just made that sweet non-violent dude who wanted to congratulate you on your driving style run away. :lol

You better apologise, OP on the next encounter!

 

[Scrow]

Just got home from work. This impatient retard in a red Chevy S10 pickup was 3 car back and just cuts over to the far right lane exiting off the freeway and slams on his brake behind me. I can see the tard foaming at the mouth in the rear view. Thinking nothing of it, I turn right at a red light at intersection (you can make a right hand turn on red, just need to treat the light as a stop sign) and he doesn't bother to even do a rolling stop.

He gets on my ass right away, flashing his hi beams at me. I turn into my neighborhood a few blocks up and he follows me and as I pull up into my driveway he pulls up right behind me on my property. Door flings open. I see him do this and I get out of my car immediately, thinking the worst. I hurry around to the passenger side while upholstering my concealed pistol, safety off, rack the slide back in plain view. I crouched behind the rear quarter panel as cover. The guy's eyes widen, he runs back into his truck and slams it into reverse and backs out nearly hits my across the street neighbor's car and punches it down the street with his head down.

Situation diffused, no shots fired, no one hurt/dead and 1 guy who will think twice about being a aggressive driving dick and following people home. :lol

uh okay....

you can keep your country and its shitty gun culture to yourself.

with all those guns i'm sure USA will sort itself out over time, just don't bring it to my country.

 

[J-Rzez]

Yes, because guns ONLY kill people. They do not wound, or startle, or even scare people by their mere sight, they ONLY kill and nothing else, ever.

Only guns kill people too by the way, don't forget that. Remember this guy couldn't of pulled a knife or bat out, or possibly used his bare hands to maim or kill him either. Only guns kill, and nothing else. So if he didn't have a gun, and just had a knife or knew how to fight, was bigger, etc, then the OP would've been fine. Just a busted up face needing reconstructive surgery possibly, or bleed out on his own lawn from being stabbed (of course you can't bleed to death right?).

uh okay....

you can keep your country and its shitty gun culture to yourself.

with all those guns i'm sure USA will sort itself out over time, just don't bring it to my country.

:lol

Seriously, what kind of post is this? Are we supposed to say keep your country and it's shitty "insert here" culture to yourself? Do I even want to go to your country in the first place and bring our shootin' guns?

It's not a "culture" to carry a gun. It's called self defense. Maybe the criminals/crazies in your country are what we call litter bugs here, but these people here will harm/kill you.

 

[Zyzyxxz]

uh okay....

you can keep your country and its shitty gun culture to yourself.

with all those guns i'm sure USA will sort itself out over time, just don't bring it to my country.

ok thanks for letting us know.

Now every American GAFer can go back to polishing their shotguns as home in preparation of bringing gun culture to the rest of the world.

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

still hard to believe some people think the OP should have just let the guy beat his ass. People are responding as if the gun was used in an irresponsible way. A weapon of defense was used to defend one's self, without causing harm to another. Enough of all these hypotheticals that never happened and had the slightest chance of ever happening.

 

[itsinmyveins]

still hard to believe some people think the OP should have just let the guy beat his ass. People are responding as if the gun was used in an irresponsible way. A weapon of defense was used to defend one's self, without causing harm to another. Enough of all these hypotheticals that never happened and had the slightest chance of ever happening.

But now you're assuming that he'd beat his ass. Maybe he just wanted to yell at him or something. The gun was used to defend himself by threatening someone's life, which scares the guy to the extent that it could have caused an accident when he pulled off from the driveway.

 

[hc2]

But now you're assuming that he'd beat his ass. Maybe he just wanted to yell at him or something. The gun was used to defend himself by threatening someone's life, which scares the guy to the extent that it could have caused an accident when he pulled off from the driveway.

Still hypothetical. You had to be there to pass judgement. Why didn't the other guy call the police? Perhaps he knew he was wrong.
Would it have been alright to brandish a crowbar, baseball bat, Taser, or a knife? All are potentially deadly (if the guy had a heart condition the Taser could cause dysrythmias).

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

Jesus CHRIST you have the fucking audacity to call me dense when you think that when I say pulling a gun out on him is wrong, that I automatically think it's acceptable behavior to follow him?

At least WickedAngel is a fairly intelligent(although very rude) person to argue/disagree with... but you? If you're going to quote me and reply at least make sense. :lol :lol :lol



I'm just trying to clarify here that you think following someone a few blocks off the main path to their house is deserving of having an un-safty'd gun leveled towards you? Is that right?

You must live your life like you're walking on eggshells all day.

lol @ completely missing my point. read what I quoted. he said the OP was the psycho for pulling the gun when the real psycho was the guy that chased him home flashing his beams jumped out his car when he was at his house and went towards him. Someone try some shit like that with me and I gotta burner I'm back out on him too. What'd you think the guy was there for? To give him a stern talking to? i dont live my life on eggshells, but i'm not gonna chase someone down all the way to their house jump out my car and go towards them and not expect them to get deep in my ass if they have the opportunity.

 

[itsinmyveins]

Still hypothetical. You had to be there to pass judgement. Why didn't the other guy call the police? Perhaps he knew he was wrong.
Would it have been alright to brandish a crowbar, baseball bat, Taser, or a knife? All are potentially deadly (if the guy had a heart condition the Taser could cause dysrythmias).

Well, aren't you guys assuming the guy was gonna "beat him up"? If you see that other guy coming out with a baseball bat though, then yeah -- it's more understandable.

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

But now you're assuming that he'd beat his ass. Maybe he just wanted to yell at him or something. The gun was used to defend himself by threatening someone's life, which scares the guy to the extent that it could have caused an accident when he pulled off from the driveway.

you're acting like the guy was gonna give him a hug. the dude followed a perfect stranger to his house after flashing his high beams on the way, got out the car, and went towards him. If the OP woulda gotten his ass beat im sure you woulda flew down and helped nurse his wounds lol

Well, aren't you guys assuming the guy was gonna "beat him up"? If you see that other guy coming out with a baseball bat though, then yeah -- it's more understandable.

are you serious? even if all he wanted to do was yell, why the fuck are you gonna harass him the entire trip, follow him home, get out your car and expect any reasonable person to think "he probably just wants to hug it out"

 

[itsinmyveins]

you're acting like the guy was gonna give him a hug. the dude followed a perfect stranger to his house after flashing his high beams on the way, got out the car, and went towards him. If the OP woulda gotten his ass beat im sure you woulda flew down and helped nurse his wounds lol

Yes, he did follow him for a few miles -- not for hours. Maybe the guy was indeed a fucking lunatic, but the OP certainly doesn't know since he pulled a gun the moment the other guy stepped out of the car, right? Hey, maybe one of the OP's tail lights were out and he was gonna tell him? :O

are you serious? even if all he wanted to do was yell, why the fuck are you gonna harass him the entire trip, follow him home, get out your car and expect any reasonable person to think "he probably just wants to hug it out"

What? Hugs? What are you talking about?

 

[Darklord]

Yes, because guns ONLY kill people. They do not wound, or startle, or even scare people by their mere sight, they ONLY kill and nothing else, ever.

If you don't want to kill, use a knife, tazer, capsicum(or other) spray or any other less deadly thing than a gun. If someone is coming at you and you had a gun, you wouldn't try and wound them, you'd aim for the chest which is the easiest target. Even if it was a wound, it would be a serious one.

Hell, if you live in that bad of an area learn fucking self-defense. Some bumbling rage infused idiot would be on his arse in 2 seconds.

Some of you act like if you don't have a gun you're completely defenseless.

 

[JayDubya]

Use the most effective thing you have? If all you have is a stun gun, get it out.

Darklord continues the "BE A MAN; USE YER FISTS" crap. Awesome.

Scrow's post is ridiculously out of place and random.

FunkeyMonkey's point about the poor aggressive trespasser needing to draw his weapon in defense misses the mark entirely.

Vinzer was the wronged party. If the other man had continued to make aggressive moves, like drawing a gun, Vinzer would be justified in shooting him.

 

[Scrow]

ok thanks for letting us know.

Now every American GAFer can go back to polishing their shotguns as home in preparation of bringing gun culture to the rest of the world.

yeah... that's exactly how i imagine it. every single american on GAF must be just like that...

:lol

Seriously, what kind of post is this? Are we supposed to say keep your country and it's shitty "insert here" culture to yourself?

sure. if there's something about the country you don't like and wouldn't want to see where you live.

Do I even want to go to your country in the first place and bring our shootin' guns?

I don't know... do you? All i know is i don't want the USA's gun culture here.

It's not a "culture" to carry a gun. It's called self defense. Maybe the criminals/crazies in your country are what we call litter bugs here, but these people here will harm/kill you.

that is exactly the gun culture i'm talking about.... everyone "defending" themselves with guns, even the crazy criminals. the point flew right over your head.

 

[JayDubya]

Okay, scrow. Keep your shitty gun culture away from our country, then.