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[Darko]

I've watched it, and I must say that it's a very good movie. However, I was expecting more from Ledger's depiction of the Joker. To be more specific, I had hoped he would incorporate all the strengths from Nicholson's portrayal while adding the dark, malevolent qualities that made up the remaining portion of the classical character. This new Joker was without the punchlines, the dark wit that I assumed was the Joker staple. There were funny moments, but they were most unintentional, not purposefully delivered. In the end, I think the two Jokers complement each other well, but I can't say Ledger's version is the ultimate, all-in-one Joker that I was expecting to see.

Superb movie, nonetheless.

edit: my bad thought this was the spoiler thread lol...

Spoiler

"theres only one spot left in my crew so were gonna have tryyyoutss, make it quick"
"hahahaha ho aha ha... and I thought my jokes were bad"
"siixx?"
"how about a magic trick"

just a few..there were so many funny moments...
*SPOILERBELOW
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/DarkKnight088/Even More Pics/heath_doctor_mask.jpg

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Well, it's not like NintendosBooger assessment is that incorrect with that it's not mix of all Joker.

But Ledger's portrayal wasn't going to be like Jack's though, it never was.

The Dark Knight is simply a different beast than what Tim Burton had going for. And like I said in the comparison thread Jack seems for more the classical design while Ledger's goes for the more 'realist' view of the terrifying animalistic raw presence of Joker, they work with what they are going for in their respective movies. That being said Ledger is simply more incredible in pulling it off in The Dark Knight.

Nicholson, Ledger, and Mark Hamil in the animated series, you see how different they portrayal the same iconic villain. You can't really get the ultimate all for one Joker for someone who's been here for decades and different takes.

 

[Guzim]

Actually, Ledger believed that The Joker would find Aids funny.

 

[3rdman]

I'm not sure I follow, you're saying the point of the movie is to show that superheroes character do not fit in the real world?
And as for the Batman and the Joker being one and the same, well, it is said in the movie, but it's not really demonstrated. In what way are they the same? they're not even polar opposites.

I would agree with you that The Joker was very well executed character, Ledger will get most of the credit, but I think a lot of it also had to go to the writers. Pulling a flamboyant, entertaining and yet genuinely menacing villain is tough tight-rope act, and pulling it on a character with the history and the inherent ridiculousness of The Joker is small cinematic miracle.

I wouldn't necessarily call it the "point of the movie" but it was indeed an underlying theme. The public at large has no problem going from one extreme to another in defense or hatred of any of the main characters. They are (to the public) mere caricatures that don't deserve deeper understanding...hence they don't fit. Granted, it's not an obvious point but I do think the stark portrayal of Gotham City was an attempt to underline this idea.

As for being the same...obviously they are not. One is good and the other evil but the film is asking you to look deeper than that. We don't know what made the Joker the psychopath that he is, but the difference between an evil or good Batman, was his father. Could Joker have been the same had he equal guidance? What the director is telling us is that there is but a thin line between hero and villain but that difference is borne from a central core that they share. This theory is personified in Harvey Dent's change and is further underlined by the Joker's final words on screen. There is also the superficial similarity between them in that they both wear masks to conceal themselves from the public (and themselves).

That's my understanding anyways...though I do understand your argument and you do have a point.

 

[Link Man]

Actually, Ledger believed that The Joker would find Aids funny.

I know, I was going for a Cyanide and Happiness feel.

 

[Zeliard]

Would there be Oscar talk surrounding Ledger's performance if he were alive and well today?

Probably not and that's a damn shame. That's the media's fault for building it up so much.

Absolutely, there would be. The only real difference here if he were alive is that we wouldn't have people trying to say that people are only praising the guy's performance because he's dead, which is complete bullshit (and I'm not saying you're doing that).

Ledger's performance as the Joker would've been virtually impossible to ignore no matter what happened.

In fact, and this is something I theorized earlier.... if Ledger were still alive, we would've seen him on several talk shows leading up to TDK's release promoting the film. People would've been able to see more clearly just how drastically different the guy both looks and acts in real-life than when he's the Joker, and it would've made his performance even that more striking and impressive.

 

[MrToughPants]

Wow fucking awesome movie I came in without any expectations and was blown away. Ledger was amazing, one of the best performances i've ever seen. Alot of people were commenting on his performance after the credits.

10/10

Was well worth the 2 1/2 hour drive to go see.

 

[Escape Goat]

I can't even look up the IMAX screen times cuz the website seems to be down.

Was well worth the 2 1/2 hour drive to go see.

Oh my god :lol You drove 5 hours to see a movie?

 

[thetechkid]

I can't even look up the IMAX screen times cuz the website seems to be down.




Oh my god :lol You drove 5 hours to see a movie?

When I was waiting in line for IMAX batman, the theater manager was talking to people and he sad that all the sites are going down from all the demand.

 

[MrToughPants]

I can't even look up the IMAX screen times cuz the website seems to be down.




Oh my god :lol You drove 5 hours to see a movie?

2 1/2 hours going and coming back. It's the only way I can see english movies in Quebec sometimes I have to drive to Montreal.

 

[Escape Goat]

2 1/2 hours going and coming back. It's the only way I can see english movies in Quebec sometimes I have to drive to Montreal.

well thats not so crazy if you went to see it in English

 

[Zeliard]

I've watched it, and I must say that it's a very good movie. However, I was expecting more from Ledger's depiction of the Joker. To be more specific, I had hoped he would incorporate all the strengths from Nicholson's portrayal while adding the dark, malevolent qualities that made up the remaining portion of the classical character. This new Joker was without the punchlines, the dark wit that I assumed was the Joker staple. There were funny moments, but they were most unintentional, not purposefully delivered. In the end, I think the two Jokers complement each other well, but I can't say Ledger's version is the ultimate, all-in-one Joker that I was expecting to see.

Superb movie, nonetheless.

There were numerous humorous Joker moments, every single one of which was intentional, and most of which were solely due to Ledger's comedic timing and dialogue delivery rather than the written material ("hiiii....")

The fact that it didn't require Ledger resorting to campy one-liners like Nicholson is a plus.

 

[Exclamation-One]

2 1/2 hours going and coming back. It's the only way I can see english movies in Quebec sometimes I have to drive to Montreal.

Does this mean there's a French Dark Knight out there?

"Voici un tour magique? Je ferai ce crayon disparaître. *BAM* Viola!"

 

[RyuHayate]

There were numerous humorous Joker moments, every single one of which was intentional, and most of which were solely due to Ledger's comedic timing and dialogue delivery rather than the written material ("hiiii....")

The fact that it didn't require Ledger resorting to campy one-liners like Nicholson is a plus.

I loved it when he

Spoiler

tripped after attempting to get on his feet and regain his balance after pulling himself out of the flipped over truck while accidentally opening fire with his machine gun at the same time

:lol

 

[weepy]

I've watched it, and I must say that it's a very good movie. However, I was expecting more from Ledger's depiction of the Joker. To be more specific, I had hoped he would incorporate all the strengths from Nicholson's portrayal while adding the dark, malevolent qualities that made up the remaining portion of the classical character. This new Joker was without the punchlines, the dark wit that I assumed was the Joker staple. There were funny moments, but they were most unintentional, not purposefully delivered. In the end, I think the two Jokers complement each other well, but I can't say Ledger's version is the ultimate, all-in-one Joker that I was expecting to see.

Superb movie, nonetheless.

That's what I've been trying to figure out with my post and you've just summed it up. Bravo.

 

[AlternativeUlster]

Saw it again last night and a lot of Sunday showings were sold out. Crazy shit. Anyways, I still couldn't fucking hear the final speech. One more time at least and in IMAX.

 

[The Hermit]

Somebody's never seen Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker's PG-13 version...watch that. You'll see some humorous and sadistic.

That was so awesome... never cared about BB until someone on Gaf posted about that scene and I was like "no way!"

TDK Joker is better though!

 

[pbones85]

Saw it saturday. Incredible film. Gonna see it at least two more times. My only issue with it is that they should've brought Prince back on to do the soundtrack.

Spoiler

just kidding

 

[Shrennin]

I'd disagree, especially when talking about the Joker's theme. The way I've been relating it to people is it's similar to Jaws. Just when you can take a breath finally, the music cue of that electric string buzz starts up and you know "here we go again" and get all tensed up.

I agree. I thought the music was really well done. It's actually one of the first times in a movie theater that I felt really compelled by the movie. My heart was pumping, in part, due to the music.

 

[Escape Goat]

I agree. I thought the music was really well done. It's actually one of the first times in a movie theater that I felt really compelled by the movie. My heart was pumping, in part, due to the music.

Hell, most of the times I noticed the music it wasn't really even music. It was a single chord being held for a long period of time

 

[The Lamonster]

god DAMN that was an awesome film.

 

[Zeliard]

Hell, most of the times I noticed the music it wasn't really even music. It was a single chord being held for a long period of time

The scene where Joker hangs his head out of the window had this eerie, one-note background sound going. Can't quite describe it, but it fit perfectly and it gave the scene an artful feel.

 

[artist]

Hell, most of the times I noticed the music it wasn't really even music. It was a single chord being held for a long period of time

Listen to the OST, but I'll warn ya that it is very difficult to get it out of your head .. so heed this warning carefully.

There are a lot of moments where a single chord was played and it built up the momentum/tension perfectly. For example the first shot of the movie ..

Ah, cant wait to see this movie again.

 

[drohne]

chichikov's posts actually describe my feelings about batman begins -- there's something unavoidably ludicrous about portraying the psychological groundwork of a man's decision to DRESS UP LIKE A BAT AND FIGHT CRIME, and it's consequently very difficult to take the movie as seriously as it takes itself. but i didn't really have that problem with the dark knight...which being a sequel can dispense with a lot of explanations, and is just a more persuasive movie than the first

 

[Flow]

Actually they say one of the things Ledger wrote in his journal was a list of things the Joker finds funny. AIDS was one of them.

 

[dxenor]

But then honestly, who doesn't love ADIS?

 

[Rabid Wolverine]

Booked an ticket for IMAX Sydney tomorrow.

Cant wait to see this again in Huge Glory

 

[Escape Goat]

nm, putting this in non spoiler thread!

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Booked an ticket for IMAX Sydney tomorrow.

Cant wait to see this again in Huge Glory

Hah, seeing this in Sydney IMAX on Thursday. Will be my third time seeing the film, first time IMAX.

 

[tri_willy]

might be going slightly off topic here, however judging from how bale was able to use batman's voice, it seems that he would make a pretty good solid snake should a live action
metal gear movie come out given how at times his batman voice sounded a lot like solid snake.

 

[Rabid Wolverine]

Hah, seeing this in Sydney IMAX on Thursday. Will be my third time seeing the film, first time IMAX.

High Five!

Should be a great experience. This will be my first IMAX ever.... breaking my cherry with the Dark Knight

Finished watching Batman Begins on Blu-Ray earlier today, bring on ze dark knight

 

[beelzebozo]

might be going slightly off topic here, however judging from how bale was able to use batman's voice, it seems that he would make a pretty good solid snake should a live action
metal gear movie come out given how at times his batman voice sounded a lot like solid snake.

that voice is easily the worst part of tdk.

 

[RSTEIN]

Christian Bale under investigation for assaulting his mother and sister

:S

 

[DrForester]

Christian Bale under investigation for assaulting his mother and sister

:S

you should make a new thread about this.

 

[Kletian]

edit: my bad thought this was the spoiler thread lol...

Spoiler

"theres only one spot left in my crew so were gonna have tryyyoutss, make it quick"
"hahahaha ho aha ha... and I thought my jokes were bad"
"siixx?"
"how about a magic trick"

just a few..there were so many funny moments...
*SPOILERBELOW
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/DarkKnight088/Even More Pics/heath_doctor_mask.jpg

Other funny joker moments

Spoiler

-"I'm like a dog chasing cars, I wouldn't know what to do once I got one!" the hand gestures made this
- "You think you can just walk in here, demand money and leave?" "umm ya"
- "I get one phone call" "I want my phone call"
- sliding down the moneypile
- tripping, stumbling and shooting randomly while getting out of the overturned truck

and more I'm sure I can't even think of off hand. Guess that means I need to go see it again!

 

[Anton Sugar]

The scene where Joker hangs his head out of the window had this eerie, one-note background sound going. Can't quite describe it, but it fit perfectly and it gave the scene an artful feel.

That entire sequence was extremely well done. The drowning out of sound/music in that scene, Harvey being burned, and Harvey screaming (but muted) when he sees the charred side of his coin was amazing.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Other funny joker moments

Spoiler

-"I'm like a dog chasing cars, I wouldn't know what to do once I got one!" the hand gestures made this
- "You think you can just walk in here, demand money and leave?" "umm ya"
- "I get one phone call" "I want my phone call"
- sliding down the moneypile
- tripping, stumbling and shooting randomly while getting out of the overturned truck

and more I'm sure I can't even think of off hand. Guess that means I need to go see it again!

One of his very first lines:

Spoiler

I'm, not a freak...I'm...not.

that voice is easily the worst part of tdk.

I really don't see the hate for the voice. I didn't mind it and it didn't distract me. There was only one point where I really noticed it, and that was when he actually speaks a sentence longer than three words, but he's also just been beaten, stabbed, and shot, so him being out of breath had a lot to do with it as well.

 

[artist]

FYI, the movie made more than estimates. $158,411,483 So it broke the record for the most number of tickets sold (22.37 million) compared to SM3's 21.96 million.

Any estimates for Monday's figures? Too early I guess

 

[djtortilla]

finally saw this last night for the 1st time.

A sold out 10:30pm IMAX showing on a Monday night.

never thought i see a sold out movie on a Monday night

Awesome movie, but i think the first 3/4 of the movie is perfect, but
after the big turn of events, I wasn't too happy how the movie reaches its
conclusion.


The conclusion was great, but I didn't like all the stuff that happens in the last 1/4 of the
movie. I think too much stuff was added just for padding.

 

[Ikael]

I'm not sure I follow, you're saying the point of the movie is to show that superheroes character do not fit in the real world?

The point of the movie is to put comic characters in the real world, in order to show how these type of people (or freaks), as heroic as they seem when we see them "from the distance" (on a comic, as icons, etc) would not fit in our everyday world if they would exist, how they wouldnt be consireded "heroes" nor villains, in the same way that no real hero was unanimously viewed as a hero on its time and place: it is the distance of history that conceeds them that title and fades away the critics of the people that actually convived with him.

 

[pizzaguysrevenge]

Two more fresh reviews and it goes up to 95%.

 

[AlternativeUlster]

Dark Knight made another 25 million on Monday. Spider Man 3 made 10 million on its 4th day comparatively.

It also means that the Dark Knight should break 200 million probably sometime tomorrow if not during some of the later showings tonight.

 

[jett]

Dark Knight made another 25 million on Monday. Spider Man 3 made 10 million on its 4th day comparatively.

It also means that the Dark Knight should break 200 million probably sometime tomorrow if not during some of the later showings tonight.

Holy crap. This weekend is going to be EPIC.




Again.

 

[Darko]

80-90mill this weekend, calling it now.

 

[Cheebs]

Dark Knight made another 25 million on Monday. Spider Man 3 made 10 million on its 4th day comparatively.

It also means that the Dark Knight should break 200 million probably sometime tomorrow if not during some of the later showings tonight.

It will hit 200 mill tonight.

 

[AlternativeUlster]

For my numbers, they still haven't made all of Monday's estimates but I was just looking at TDK's day by day intake and noticed it:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=darkknight.htm

 

[Anton Sugar]

I told all you doubters that it would succeed at the box office.

 

[AlternativeUlster]

It will hit 200 mill tonight.

I am taking into account that a majority of the weekend's showings were sold out and that the drop off from Monday to Tuesday would much greater than it is usually. Then again, a lot of theaters have specials on Tuesdays to make people go the theaters that day. It should get around 16-20 or so I believe.

 

[jett]

This is crazyiness. If the momentum keeps up the movie will have broken 300 million by Sunday.

 

[AlternativeUlster]

This is crazyiness. If the momentum keeps up the movie will have broken 300 million by Sunday.

Holy shit, this is fucking craziness. This weekend will but nuts if the Dark Knight still makes over a 100 million dollars.