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unifin said:
It's not about what I believe, it's about the questions the film raises. Certainly, in history atrocities have been committed to prevent even greater atrocities.

Moreover, that kind of political unrest rarely stems from the leader of each nation alone. Besides which, how do you remove two popular/feared leaders from office (The Kremlin/Nixon) from office without inciting backlash from a sterilized public?

If you haven't read the GN, since I haven't seen the film, it's possible we're operating from two immiscible planes of experience, but Ozymandias didn't just snap - his ambition stemmed from his frustration at the Comedian's dismantling of the Crimebusters and his persistent egoism, that only he had the mental capacity and financial resources to save the world.

It sounds like you haven't read the comic, in which case I should just see the movie and then come back to this thread - it's worrying that people seem to be missing such basic textual questions after seeing the film.
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The movie gets Ozzy right. He and the Comedian have their showdown at the Crimebusters meeting (called the Watchmen now, which I didn't much care for). Ozzy is trying to save the world from itself, he has his charities, is researching free renewable energy to stop conflicts over resources.
even threatens to buy all the oil companies and shut them down if they try and stop him

Ozzy is done right, and the ending is just like the book.
minus the squid. but they get the whole.. "ozy played god, but its hard to say he was wrong to do so" thing.

Remember, there are people who missed the point of the book as well. It's just a whole lot of people who have never been exposed to the watchmen are seeing it for the first time.. and people who go see super hero movies want
a good guy, and a bad guy.. and they want the good guy to win
.

In that way, the movie manages to break down the norms of the comic book movie, the way the book broke down the norms of the comic book 20 years ago. It is not as good as the book, but I thought it got the point across.
 
Don't have much to comment on in terms of changes and/or plot discussion, but I did want to say I saw it last night (in IMAX, woo) and absolutely loved it save for about the last ten minutes. Overall came away very impressed and pleased with the movie.
 
I saw a midnight screening of the Watchmen last night. All my friends and I hated it. People were leaving during the movie.

The Watchmen sucks.

I hated the plot. I hated the superheroes except Rorschach and Dr. M. And it was too long. It felt like they were stretching it out towards the end.
 
Bishman said:
I saw a midnight screening of the Watchmen last night. All my friends and I hated it. People were leaving during the movie.

The Watchmen sucks.

I hated the plot. I hated the superheroes except Rorschach and Dr. M. And it was too long. It felt like they were stretching it out towards the end.
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RTFGN
 
Inflammable Slinky said:
Another thing to point out is that Doc M
really doesn't care about what happens to humanity (despite everything he says). The way he views everything fatalisticly shows that he's pretty much incapably of empathizing with normal humans
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Pretty much.
And why should he? He feels that those around him pretty much abandoned him and don't give two hoots about him. He feels that the universe fucked with his life (even right through the end where he has to make that crappy sacrifice).
I totally understand his MO. It was explained pretty well.

StoOgE said:
Ozzy is my favorite charachter, and I understand why he did it, and have a hard time saying he was wrong. Like Dr. M, without condoning or condemning, I
understand. Ive been lambasted on GAF for that opinion for years
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To a certain extent, he has a point but I'm of the opinion that if humans were to make mistake then let them make that mistake and learn from it. It's not up to one particular individual to steer their future to a desirable point (especially without their consent or knowledge). Because then no one would have learned anything from it.

unifin said:
Moreover, that kind of political unrest rarely stems from the leader of each nation alone. Besides which, how do you remove two popular/feared leaders from office (The Kremlin/Nixon) from office without inciting backlash from a sterilized public?
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Most of the conflict in this world usually stem from greed of a particular nation's leader in regards to the natural resources that other countries possessed. Instead of developing of new ways to enhance the resources that they have, they put their money and power into conquering other nations that have the resources that they want. I don't really want to delve into politics but I always get the impression that most of the things that our leaders do are not the reflection of what the people want.

If you haven't read the GN, since I haven't seen the film, it's possible we're operating from two immiscible planes of experience, but Ozymandias didn't just snap - his ambition stemmed from his frustration at the Comedian's dismantling of the Crimebusters and his persistent egoism, that only he had the mental capacity and financial resources to save the world.
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No, that's not what I meant. What I mean was "Why bother going God complex?" I guess it's in his nature but why? Show me why he hellbent to take this route of God complex. What happened earlier in his life that made him decide that he's the one who's best to decide what's good for mankind. That would have made him more interesting.
 
Replicant said:
To a certain extent, he has a point but I'm of the opinion that if humans were to make mistake then let them make that mistake and learn from it. It's not up to one particular individual to steer their future to a desirable point (especially without their consent or knowledge). Because then no one would have learned anything from it.
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Not really any way to learn from a mistake after all organic life ends.
 
For those who have seen the film:
is the artwork depicting Alexander cutting the Gordian Knot in Ozy's lair?
 
EviLore said:
Not really any way to learn from a mistake after all organic life ends.
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Good point but if humans are stupid enough not to stop their respective leader from bombing each other to death, maybe we deserve to perish and let nature take over? Maybe some other new life form can appreciate what the world has to offer. This is what the film failed to show. If it had been shown that there have been attempts by masses to stop these two dolts who want to throw their nuclear power at each other (but they're not making much progress), then I can justify what Ozy wants to do a bit more.
 
Replicant said:
Most of the conflict in this world usually stem from greed of a particular nation's leader in regards to the natural resources that other countries possessed. Instead of developing of new ways to enhance the resources that they have, they put their money and power into conquering other nations that have the resources that they want. I don't really want to delve into politics but I always get the impression that most of the things that our leaders do are not the reflection of what the people want.



No, that's not what I meant. What I mean was "Why bother going God complex?" I guess it's in his nature but why? Show me why he hellbent to take this route of God complex. What happened earlier in his life that made him decide that he's the one who's best to decide what's good for mankind. That would have made him more interesting.
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A lot of the conflict in the world stems from leaders' personal decisions, but one of the biggest crises in the world today, islamic values versus traditionally western cultural materialism, has no leader and feeds its own hatred on both sides. You can cripple an ideology by killing its leaders, but new ones will eventually emerge if you don't seek to win the hearts or at least the existential respect of your enemies.

Not sure if they brought this up in the film, but Ozy previous to his public persona had single-handedly dismantled a large number of organized crime units with his unique mix of physical athletic prowess and magnificent intellect. The ego arises naturally out of this sort of thing, not any sort of singular event.
 
oh boy, I'm not looking forward to defending this amongst friends and coworkers. From the reviews and even this thread here, looks like this is still an unfilmable story. Here's to hoping that the Director's cut is what we're looking for.

I'm still very excited to see it tonight and am certain that I'll love it since I've read the GN, twice. Sounds like people are going in with different expectations and that the movie does not do a good job at conveying everything from the GN. I'll post again in this thread after I see it tonight in IMAX
 
unifin said:
A lot of the conflict in the world stems from leaders' personal decisions, but one of the biggest crises in the world today, islamic values versus traditionally western cultural materialism, has no leader and feeds its own hatred on both sides. You can cripple an ideology by killing its leaders, but new ones will eventually emerge if you don't seek to win the hearts or at least the existential respect of your enemies.
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Yeah, idealism is definitely harder to reconcile. I do wonder if Communism vs. Liberal was as bad as Islam vs. western values. Sorry, but I was only kid when communism perished so I had no idea if the two ideals really were upheld by its people. I got the impression that communism wasn't that well-liked even by public.

Not sure if they brought this up in the film, but Ozy previous to his public persona had single-handedly dismantled a large number of organized crime units with his unique mix of physical athletic prowess and magnificent intellect. The ego arises naturally out of this sort of thing, not any sort of singular event.
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Not sure if this is the same in the comic but I feel that the film tries too hard to cover
his arrogance/God complex and his identity as 'villain' that he doesn't get much coverage until the end of the film
. I can understand that it's the main mystery but by doing this, we also don't understand much of his motivation.
 
Solo said:
Oh wow, lots of hate pouring in over the past few pages. Only makes me more curious to see this potential trainwreck. Im waiting for the weekend to end before I see it though. Blue penis on Monday for moi.
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I'm gonna go ahead right now and say you don't have very good reading comprehension skills.
or you're just avoiding the spolier-y spoiler posts
 
Replicant said:
Good point but if humans are stupid enough not to stop their respective leader from bombing each other to death, maybe we deserve to perish and let nature take over? Maybe some other new life form can appreciate what the world has to offer. This is what the film failed to show. If it had been shown that there have been attempts by masses to stop these two dolts who want to throw their nuclear power at each other (but they're not making much progress), then I can justify what Ozy wants to do a bit more.
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The american public was afraid of the russians and vice versa. Look at the Cuban missile crisis.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Did they really change it so that Doc is like yelling during that scene? It looks that way in the commercial and the whole point is that it barely registers. He raises his hand and that's it.
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No he doesn't really yell ever in the movie. He kinda just gives it a whimper.
 
Replicant said:
Not sure if this is the same in the comic but I feel that the film tries too hard to cover
his arrogance/God complex and his identity as 'villain' that he doesn't get much coverage until the end of the film
. I can understand that it's the main mystery but by doing this, we also don't understand much of his motivation.
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The comic uses a variety of techniques to tell the backstory of characters. Some characters get a narrative treatment that falls into the normal panel-by-panel flow of comics (Manhattan, Rorschach), some are squeezed into the margins of other plotlines (Comedian, for the most part), and others are given non-traditional techniques that appear at the end of chapters. These include faux news clippings, scrapbooks, transcripts of television interviews, book excerpts, and other "documentarian" treatment. Ozy's story is told almost entirely through these techniques. The result is a kind of detachment from the character: he seems to move through the background, presented as part of the setting of this alternate-reality world rather than a principle actor in it.
 
Replicant said:
Good point but if humans are stupid enough not to stop their respective leader from bombing each other to death, maybe we deserve to perish and let nature take over? Maybe some other new life form can appreciate what the world has to offer. This is what the film failed to show.
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Jeezus...it's always funny to see what some people feel is necessary for a story to be successful.
 
Saw the flick at midnight. I'm actually really impressed with it. Even with the altered ending, it still stays very true to the source material. I'd like to thank GAF for lowering my expectations so I didn't go in expecting the best movie ever. It's not, but I still thought the flick was awesome. I have only 3 minor gripes.

1) The fight sequences are over done. These people aren't superheroes. They can't survive being kicked in the stomach and being flung 30 feet into a solid stone wall and just get up and keep fighting. This never happens in the comic, as it understands that the heroes are just regular people with the exception of the Doc and maybe Ozy. It's all over the movie. Obviously it has to be adapted for the mainstream audience but I mean come on. Just way overdone.

2) The use of popular music is ham-fisted. I'm not against the idea of it, but it's way overdone. I about lost it when 99 Luftballons started playing, and Ride of the Valkyries over the Vietnam scene was just stupid. It was just like HAY GUYZ WE'RE IN VIETNAM REMEMBER APOCALYPSE NOW!?

3) Nixon. Jesus fucking christ you think for a movie with an effects budget this large that they could have spent more than twelve fucking dollars on some shitty halloween store Nixon mask. The guy playing Nixon was just awful too. He has the unfortunate task of following up Frank Langella's performance in Frost/Nixon, but even without that brilliant performance over-shadowing him he still would have sucked. I'm in shock at how awful the guy playing Nixon was.

Now for the good stuff.

1) Rorschach. Holy crap Jackie Earle Haley had this character down perfect. Every time Rorschach showed up on screen I got excited because Haley just owned this role. He's a total psychopath and all the scenes with
him in the prison are fucking awesome, especially when he melt's that dude's face off
.

2) Nite Owl II / Silk Spectre II - Both were very well played, especially Patrick Wilson as Nite Owl II. He got the dweeb-factor just right.

3) The effects. They were awesome (with the exception of Nixon). The whole visual feel of the movie was fantastic. The Doc Manhattan work in particular was excellent.

4) The score was also fantastic, I really dug it.
 
Saw this for the second time, last night at midnight and I love it so much more than I originally thought. Almost every problem I had went away. I'm leaning towards a 9 out of 10 now. I highly suggest seeing it a second time.
 
Loved this. I am a fan of the GN, but I only read it a few days ago while waiting for the movie. I wasn't really hyped about this but I expected something good and I wasn't dissapointed. I feel it did a pretty good job at translating the novel to the screen. It's pratically identical to it, right down to indivual frames. It's certainly a better film than the X-Men or Spider-Man movies. It's not really a superhero story anyway.

The Dark Knight is still king but I don't get the negative press. It's pretty amazing.
 
Zabka said:
Jeezus...it's always funny to see what some people feel is necessary for a story to be successful.
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Eh, when people watch a film (or any kind of art form), they bring with them their own expectation, background, culture, and belief. It's actually unrealistic for you to expect them not to carry their baggage and just watch the film as is. What makes a film so interesting is that there's more than one way you can see them. The director may intended it to be seen one way but inevitably, someone will bring a different interpretation to it.
 
Went with three other friends last night to see the movie. I being the only one who had read the original story. By the end of the film we were split down the middle on whether the movie was good. One of my friends said that he was waiting for the plot to get going for much of the movie. The other fell asleep (this is a common thing with him). My last friend said that he was engaged the whole time.

I loved seeing things play out on the big screen. I love the whole tortured characters aspect of the story.
The pool table comedian scene was hard to watch. As was the execution in Vietnam.
In the end I can understand why people won't like it, but the GN and now the film just resonate with me.

PS. I'm so annoyed by the fact that Dr M's penis gets sooooo much attention.
 
Replicant said:
Good point but if humans are stupid enough not to stop their respective leader from bombing each other to death, maybe we deserve to perish and let nature take over? Maybe some other new life form can appreciate what the world has to offer. This is what the film failed to show.
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I'm not seeing the film until tomorrow but doesn't Manhattan kinda make this point in a roundabout way in the book?
 
Evlar said:
For those who have seen the film:
is the artwork depicting Alexander cutting the Gordian Knot in Ozy's lair?
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No :( but they have a quote about Ramses II on a statue that more or less gets the same point across without the explenation
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
I'm gonna go ahead right now and say you don't have very good reading comprehension skills.
or you're just avoiding the spolier-y spoiler posts
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Im not reading spoiler tagged stuff. I havent read the GN, so why would I spoil the movie for myself. As such, Ive just been reading the non-spoilered reaction, and theres a lot of hate in the past few pages. So what am I not comprehending?
 
unifin said:
Obvious troll is obvious.
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Shut the fuck up! I am saying how I feel about the movie.

The plot was terrible. A lot of things do not make sense.
Why did the people hate the Watchmen? Are they even superheroes besides Dr. M?

I do not understand how they are superheroes but can die so easily from humans.
Like for example when Rorschach got getting jumped by the cops, I was expecting him to throw all the cops off. He seem like a normal human being with a mask on that is a psychopath.

The Watchmen is not what I was expecting from what I saw in the trailer. I guess I kinda felt tricked. I was expecting more action. In the end, I think my friends and I went in with certain expectation and the movie did not deliver to us.
 
Bishman said:
Shut the fuck up!

The plot was terrible. A lot of things do not make sense.
Why did the people hate the Watchmen? Are they even superheroes besides Dr. M?

I do not understand how they are superheroes but can die so easily from humans.
Like for example when Rorschach got getting jumped by the cops, I was expecting him to throw all the cops off. He seem like a normal human being with a mask on that is a psychopath.

The Watchmen is not what I was expecting from what I saw in the trailer. I guess I kinda felt tricked. I was expecting more action. In the end, I think my friends and I went in with certain expectation and the movie did not deliver to us.
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Has to be a joke post.
 
Bishman said:
Shut the fuck up!

The plot was terrible. A lot of things do not make sense.
Why did the people hate the Watchmen? Are they even superheroes besides Dr. M?

I do not understand how they are superheroes but can die so easily from humans.
Like for example when Rorschach got getting jumped by the cops, I was expecting him to throw all the cops off. He seem like a normal human being with a mask on that is a psychopath.

The Watchmen is not what I was expecting from what I saw in the trailer. I guess I kinda felt tricked. I was expecting more action. In the end, I think my friends and I went in with certain expectation and the movie did not deliver to us.
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Movie was disappointing but it was my own expectations seeing how it was a comic book based movie, and not reading or knowing anything I expected a typical SuperHero movie.
 
Bishman said:
Shut the fuck up! I am saying how I feel about the movie.

The plot was terrible. A lot of things do not make sense.
Why did the people hate the Watchmen? Are they even superheroes besides Dr. M?

I do not understand how they are superheroes but can die so easily from humans.
Like for example when Rorschach got getting jumped by the cops, I was expecting him to throw all the cops off. He seem like a normal human being with a mask on that is a psychopath.
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This is a case of Snyder's new vision portraying the vigilantes as super-humans when they're supposed to be just vigilantes.
I think people who have not read the comic will like the movie even less than the ones who did.
 
Bishman said:
Shut the fuck up! I am saying how I feel about the movie.

The plot was terrible. A lot of things do not make sense.
Why did the people hate the Watchmen? Are they even superheroes besides Dr. M?

I do not understand how they are superheroes but can die so easily from humans.
Like for example when Rorschach got getting jumped by the cops, I was expecting him to throw all the cops off. He seem like a normal human being with a mask on that is a psychopath.

The Watchmen is not what I was expecting from what I saw in the trailer. I guess I kinda felt tricked. I was expecting more action. In the end, I think my friends and I went in with certain expectation and the movie did not deliver to us.
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Bishman said:
Shut the fuck up! I am saying how I feel about the movie.

The plot was terrible. A lot of things do not make sense.
Why did the people hate the Watchmen? Are they even superheroes besides Dr. M?

I do not understand how they are superheroes but can die so easily from humans.
Like for example when Rorschach got getting jumped by the cops, I was expecting him to throw all the cops off. He seem like a normal human being with a mask on that is a psychopath.

The Watchmen is not what I was expecting from what I saw in the trailer. I guess I kinda felt tricked. I was expecting more action. In the end, I think my friends and I went in with certain expectation and the movie did not deliver to us.
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Hey, you figured it out.
They ARE humans wearing masks. Dr. Manhattan is the only one with any sort of special abilities that are "super" human. Otherwise they are superheroes but in a real world sense, they are just normal people who put on masks. Basically, they're vigilantes.

It sounds to me like you were expecting Superman/X-men/Spider-man and you're all disappointed it wasn't that way. I understand feeling tricked, but that's what the Watchmen is all about.
 
He's right though, the movie portrays them as a bunch of wall crushing heroes with bone snapping strenght straight out of Cronnenberg's The Fly, how come then a few guys can pin one of them easily?
 
Oh, Watchmen - deconstructing the American superhero mental security blanket one punctured ego at a time.

Fucking love it.
 
Prime crotch said:
He's right though, the movie portrays them as a bunch of wall crushing heroes with bone snapping strenght straight out of Cronnenberg's The Fly, how come then a few guys can pin one of them easily?
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Breaking a few bones is not super strength and the only "wall crushing" is done by the Comedian and Veidt.
 
Bishman said:
Shut the fuck up! I am saying how I feel about the movie.

The plot was terrible. A lot of things do not make sense.
Why did the people hate the Watchmen? Are they even superheroes besides Dr. M?

I do not understand how they are superheroes but can die so easily from humans.
Like for example when Rorschach got getting jumped by the cops, I was expecting him to throw all the cops off. He seem like a normal human being with a mask on that is a psychopath.

The Watchmen is not what I was expecting from what I saw in the trailer. I guess I kinda felt tricked. I was expecting more action. In the end, I think my friends and I went in with certain expectation and the movie did not deliver to us.
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:lol Reminded me of Something-Awful's review. "The" Watchmen :lol
 
Xater said:
Breaking a few bones is not super strength and the only "wall crushing" is done by the Comedian and Veidt.
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Breaking bones so hard with a punch that it rips them out of the skin is. And even the fistfight at the end shows them all with super-human strenght and resistance.
 
Bishman said:
Shut the fuck up! I am saying how I feel about the movie.

The plot was terrible. A lot of things do not make sense.
Why did the people hate the Watchmen? Are they even superheroes besides Dr. M?

I do not understand how they are superheroes but can die so easily from humans.
Like for example when Rorschach got getting jumped by the cops, I was expecting him to throw all the cops off. He seem like a normal human being with a mask on that is a psychopath.

The Watchmen is not what I was expecting from what I saw in the trailer. I guess I kinda felt tricked. I was expecting more action. In the end, I think my friends and I went in with certain expectation and the movie did not deliver to us.
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Seems like people that are expecting the usual superhero movies won't like Watchmen. I have to admit I had to do some background research (reading the graphic novel) to fully appreciate the story. Now I need to check out the movie and see if it holds up well.
 
I am on a newspaper website talking about the movie before seeing it.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1620641052/bctid14955757001

I am Matt in the video

I loved the movie and even loved it more on how the ideas of the book fit within a filmed format. Reading the comic is recommended before watching the movie though. It is surreal to see the characters act out by live actors.

Antarctica was amazing and at least I did not have to deal with the Vietnamese triplets in Ozymandias' lair. At least Synder knew he had to remove some stuff to make it more palatable for movie audiences.
 
Two things that I forgot to ask and was wondering throughout the movie:

1. What is that thing that Dr.Manhattan and Silk Spectre II ride on Mars?
2. What is that demonic-looking dog that appeared at the end of the film?
 
Bishman said:
Shut the fuck up! I am saying how I feel about the movie.

The plot was terrible. A lot of things do not make sense.
Why did the people hate the Watchmen? Are they even superheroes besides Dr. M?

I do not understand how they are superheroes but can die so easily from humans.
Like for example when Rorschach got getting jumped by the cops, I was expecting him to throw all the cops off. He seem like a normal human being with a mask on that is a psychopath.

The Watchmen is not what I was expecting from what I saw in the trailer. I guess I kinda felt tricked. I was expecting more action. In the end, I think my friends and I went in with certain expectation and the movie did not deliver to us.
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best post all day
 
One thing I don't like in this thread is that there are too many people claiming that audiences want clear-cut good guys and bad guys and can't understand moral ambiguity.

There's no evidence of that whatsoever. Film-goers love anti-heroes, like Riddick, to name a fairly recent one. And there's a history of movies with a bad-ass cowboy, assassin, pirate, or other outlaw as the main character, often seen in a "good" light.

This post has nothing to do with an analysis of audiences' reactions to the Watchmen movie -- just a stupid misconception that bugs me when I see it parroted.
 
Prime crotch said:
Breaking bones so hard with a punch that it rips them out of the skin is. And even the fistfight at the end shows them all with super-human strenght and resistance.
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I only remember Rorschach and Nite Owl being beaten up by Ozymandias who is actually suposed to have improved strength and reflexes. The stuff the other characters do just looks high impact because the way the stuff was shot but they ar enot different from someone like Batman.
 
TheHeretic said:
But the biggest problem I had was in looking for a villain.
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Despite what others may have said, if you didn't see a villain, you are blind. :P

And yes, the bad guy wins. Temporarily. It's mostly a "down ending."
 
Replicant said:
Two things that I forgot to ask and was wondering throughout the movie:

1. What is that thing that Dr.Manhattan and Silk Spectre II ride on Mars?
2. What is that demonic-looking dog that appeared at the end of the film?
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1. Ithink it was a glas structure build from the sand from Manhatten.
2. That was actually a genetically altered Tiger. It's the pet of Veidt. Remeber he is the smartest man on earth.
 
JayDubya said:
Despite what others may have said, if you didn't see a villain, you are blind. :P

And yes, the bad guy wins. Temporarily. It's mostly a "down ending."
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But I agreed with Veidt
 
Battersea Power Station said:
One thing I don't like in this thread is that there are too many people claiming that audiences want clear-cut good guys and bad guys and can't understand moral ambiguity.

There's no evidence of that whatsoever. Film-goers love anti-heroes, like Riddick, to name a fairly recent one. And there's a history of movies with a bad-ass cowboy, assassin, pirate, or other outlaw as the main character, often seen in a "good" light.

This post has nothing to do with an analysis of audiences' reactions to the Watchmen movie -- just a stupid misconception that bugs me when I see it parroted.
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uhhh, riddick is only really popular with nerds

also, you can have a badass antihero cowboy, assassin, pirate, outlaw, etc. as an antihero, but they are usually not that morally ambiguous...at least not to the extent of the characters in the watchmen, where the characters seem to go out of their way to be contradictions of themselves

...so i would argue that people like ambiguity, but only on a surface level, and deep down they want a clear cut sense of good and bad
 
Xater said:
I only remember Rorschach and Nite Owl being beaten up by Ozymandias who is actually suposed to have improved strength and reflexes. The stuff the other characters do just looks high impact because the way the stuff was shot but they ar enot different from someone like Batman.
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Rorschach's head tore a piece out of a freaking pillar with the impact. They were super-heroes in the movie. Just like the glorified violence, Snyder missed the mark on that aspect.
 
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