Battersea Power Station
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Is that judgment made purely on principle or on practical results as well?JayDubya said:Then you're evil.
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Rottenwatch: WATCHMEN
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JayDubya said:Despite what others may have said, if you didn't see a villain, you are blind.
Whilst it's impossible not to call him a monster I also wouldn't go as far to say he's the villain
being the only one in the world who could stop the war he stopped it, he saved mankind even if it's just temporary
Zabka said:
LOL did you get butthurt over me criticizing/pointing out why the film didn't work for me? Now, that is amusing!
Zabka said:
I didn't say what the movie should have been about. I said I want to see more motivation from the characters and I don't think it's unrealistic to want to see character's motivation. To me characters > plot. If in the movie the characters just don't work for me, usually the movie is not enjoyable. Mind you, this is not always the case but most of the time, having characters who are interesting and well-developed is a must for me to be able to enjoy a movie.
Cymbal Head
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Battersea Power Station said:
I think the distinction is less about "good" guys and "bad" guys and more about having a clear protagonist you know you're supposed to be rooting for (even if it is, say, the Punisher) and a clear antagonist that the protagonist will triumph against.
Who are we supposed to root for in Watchmen? The proto-fascist nihilist, the mentally disturbed criminal, the impotent nerd, or even the well-intentioned
mass murderer
I haven't seen the movie (will tomorrow) but I just wanted to make a side comment about people who leave the theater.
You paid your six bucks and were fully prepared to sit in that seat for 2+ hours why the hell do some people walk out? It just comes off childish and/or thickheaded to me. Hell, even when I simply rent a movie and I'm halfway through it and am not enjoying it I STILL give it the benefit of the doubt and watch it until then end. Only then do I decide if I liked it or not.
People who leave a screening early are like the worst kind of snobs to me. They were expecting to watch a film for a few hours but clearly their time is too important to give the film the benefit of the doubt.
Sorry, I guess I'm just venting. Maybe this is a pet peeve of mine.
You paid your six bucks and were fully prepared to sit in that seat for 2+ hours why the hell do some people walk out? It just comes off childish and/or thickheaded to me. Hell, even when I simply rent a movie and I'm halfway through it and am not enjoying it I STILL give it the benefit of the doubt and watch it until then end. Only then do I decide if I liked it or not.
People who leave a screening early are like the worst kind of snobs to me. They were expecting to watch a film for a few hours but clearly their time is too important to give the film the benefit of the doubt.
Sorry, I guess I'm just venting. Maybe this is a pet peeve of mine.
Pai Pai Master
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Cymbal Head said:
I think it's pretty fucking crystal clear that the audience is intended to sympathize most with Rorschach. Whether or not you do is completely your call.
Cymbal Head
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Pai Pai Master said:
Are we talking book or movie here? I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't know how it's handled, but just on GAF I know there are plenty of people that sympathize with pretty much EVERY main character.
I always thought that the closest the book got to an 'audience proxy' character was Dreiberg. Personally, I've always felt the most sympathetic toward Manhattan.
bggrthnjsus
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i always thought that part was insanely stupidAkim said:
Pai Pai Master
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Cymbal Head said:
Definitely movie, sorry.
ckohler said:
No, I completely agree with you. If anything, at least do some research or whatever if you are uncomfortable with certain things. I remember in Blindness, there were at least 3 different groups of people that left when
the rapes occur
I would assume something like that is noted in the rating.
The Slashfilm review for anyone interested:
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/03/06...nematic-achievement-in-adaptation/#more-21865
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/03/06...nematic-achievement-in-adaptation/#more-21865
beelzebozo
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my response to the idea that movies should never be walked out of:
spawn
nacho libre
spawn
nacho libre
Buckethead
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A day after, now that I got some fresh eyes and it's sunk in a little bit I think it was a good movie. Not legendary or magnificent, but good.
Unfortunately, like any literary adaptation, the movie will naturally suffer because of what the reader interjects into the book when they read it. Naturally, you put your own imagination and perspective on things, so someone else's in a visual movie is much different. It's kind of like someone else describing their "golden era" in their life and not yours.
It's also going to be tough being the first "comic book" movie following The Dark Knight, not to mention the obscene amount of promotion and hype that will undoubtedly detract from the experience for a lot of newbies. I don't care who you are, unless they make it sappy and patriotic, Watchmen will always be a niche story. And I'm fine with that.
The new ending is fine, I just thought it was badly directed. I think the sentiment "plays", however, it could have been much more mean, lean, and focused. It needed an *umph* and unless you count Rorshach's journal, I didn't really feel that.
Maybe it was the fatigue from the awkwardness of sitting next to a fat guy on one side and a smokin' girl on the other.
But they needed to do a better job of:
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It works, just thought it could work better. I'm glad this movie came out though, it proves the movie is film-able and maybe in a couple of decades we can have a new version.
Unfortunately, like any literary adaptation, the movie will naturally suffer because of what the reader interjects into the book when they read it. Naturally, you put your own imagination and perspective on things, so someone else's in a visual movie is much different. It's kind of like someone else describing their "golden era" in their life and not yours.
It's also going to be tough being the first "comic book" movie following The Dark Knight, not to mention the obscene amount of promotion and hype that will undoubtedly detract from the experience for a lot of newbies. I don't care who you are, unless they make it sappy and patriotic, Watchmen will always be a niche story. And I'm fine with that.
The new ending is fine, I just thought it was badly directed. I think the sentiment "plays", however, it could have been much more mean, lean, and focused. It needed an *umph* and unless you count Rorshach's journal, I didn't really feel that.
Maybe it was the fatigue from the awkwardness of sitting next to a fat guy on one side and a smokin' girl on the other.
But they needed to do a better job of:
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Setting up Laurie's bitterness towards her mom, which would have made it more dramatic when she forgives her in the end
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Describing Ozzy's intentions (needed the whole Alexander bit expanded like from the books)
It works, just thought it could work better. I'm glad this movie came out though, it proves the movie is film-able and maybe in a couple of decades we can have a new version.
Ninja Scooter
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i sat through all of Battlefield Earth and Godzilla i can sit through anything.
Prime crotch said:
Agreed.
My friends (who hadn't read the book) asked me the same question. "How is Viedt so powerful? how the hell can the comedian break walls?"
Snyder should've made them fight more humanly, but they come across as more "super-hero" like. Major fuck up of the movie, for me.
Snyder should've kept the action grounded in reality, but he made it all 300 "over the top". He fucked up that bit bad. These are vigilantes - men in mask - who don't posses the ability to easily break bones, do extravagant jumps or break walls.
beelzebozo said:
Huh? Nacho Libre was mediocre, but nowhere near a "walk out" level of bad.
Was definitely disappointing though.
Either way, you're at a movie with friends, why walk out? You already paid for it, just sit back, relax, eat some unhealthy shit, watch a movie. Better than nothing.
bggrthnjsus
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i can't believe i saw the godzilla remake in a theater. i actually liked it too (i was like 9 though)Ninja Scooter said:
Glad to see I'm not the only person. However, even I mildly sympathize with the Blindness incident since clearly scenes ofNihilism said:
graphic rape
My real beef is more with people who leave a screening of a movie early simply because they aren't enjoying it or it wasn't what they were expecting.
Is walking out of a theater during a movie some kind of personal revolution? Are people who do this trying to make a scene as if to tell the other viewers how much they hate the film? If so, to them I say: fuck off. I don't care about your opinion of the movie so much that you have to interrupt my viewing. What if the last ten minutes of a movie they are walking out on turned out to be some of the best cinema they ever could have seen? Unlikely but tough shit, I guess.beelzebozo said:
beelzebozo
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no dude. i've done it twice, and it's not about trying to tell people how much you hate the movie. it's about being so miserable watching a movie that you'd rather take the $6-8 hit and get back to your real life and away from the torture of a truly awful film. i would have paid an extra ten dollars if i had to in order to be excused from those flicks.
ckohler said:
Just because you're pissy about it, it doesn't mean they don't have their own valid reason(s)/justification. Here are some possible ones:
1. They didn't expect the film to be so long (some people don't actually check running times before watching a movie) and some probably have to leave to catch their last bus/train (it was night session in my case). They figure they don't enjoy the movie and would rather leave now than miss the last bus/train (taxis are expensive to take here).
2. They have better things to do than sitting in a theater watching something they don't like. For couples, they may want to go back home or other romantic places where they can enjoy each other's company better. A movie that you don't like can certainly ruin your date. My guess is that in some of the couples, the girl is not happy with the graphic scenes and decides to bail out. The guy has no choice but to follow.
3. Some probably decide to jump into other theater screening something else (this is possible in my cinema since once you hand in your ticket downstairs, no one gives a hoot which cinema you're going, unless you're sitting on someone else's seat).
Cymbal Head said:
Same here. I kept wondering what's the point of Dreiberg's character but then I realized that he's the closest, less-weird character in the story. One that most audience can probably attach themselves to. Manhattan is the one that I can understand the most though.
beelzebozo
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omg rite said:
oh no. i was joined by others. friends have a way of understanding to retch is appropriate when you're being fed shit.
What entertains me is that internet reviewers make a point of telling us that people walked out of the movie, displaying it as evidence supporting their criticism. I see people walk out of movies all the time, from some of the highest rated films. They walk out of stuff I like, stuff I dislike, they walk out of future Oscar nominees, they walk out of superhero movies, they walk out of kids movies, they walk out of romances. Reporting how many people walked out is like telling me how many were eating popcorn.
fatigues_gasolini
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omg rite said:
I went by myself because I couldn't find a friend to come with me. I even had an extra ticket and couldn't get anyone to take it when I was in the lobby.
I'm a sad person.
I was just mocking your condescending attitude and strange opinions. Carry on with them.Replicant said:
LOL did you get butthurt over me criticizing/pointing out why the film didn't work for me? Now, that is amusing!
I didn't say what the movie should have been about. I said I want to see more motivation from the characters and I don't think it's unrealistic to want to see character's motivation. To me characters > plot. If in the movie the characters just don't work for me, usually the movie is not enjoyable. Mind you, this is not always the case but most of the time, having characters who are interesting and well-developed is a must for me to be able to enjoy a movie.
What are you getting at? I hate people like you who make assumptions. MGS saga is my favorite game series of all time. I probably know more about MGS than you. And why the fuck would I skip the codec scenes? You learn a lot of the story and back story of the characters and storyline. And not to mention the humor.rhino4evr said:
Why are you guys attacking my opinion of the movie? A big FUCK YOU to everyone attacking my opinion. REMEMBER, I did not read the graphic novel. And to anyone saying read the graphic novel, no. I have no interest in doing that. Ask your friends and see if you see any correlation to what I said and what they say about movie. Watchmen left a sour taste in my mouth. :/
bggrthnjsus
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i dunno, i might be so confused that i would stay just to see where it goesBlader5489 said:
but i would be really pissed off and injured afterwards
Fair enough guys. I do see your points about leaving early. It's your prerogative. It still bugs me when people do it.
To me, watching a movie is kinda like having someone tell you a story they've written in an very informal way. Leaving early would be like cutting them off mid-sentence. It just seems disrespectful to filmmakers. Granted, the filmmakers will never know and I can understand why some people do it. It's just a pet-peeve of mine. If someone heckles the screen however... well, that's entirely different.
It might also be because I DO see many films by myself. I rarely go with friends as they have a tendency to want to talk. Heh... all this could just mean that I have a "movies are serious-business!" type personality.
To me, watching a movie is kinda like having someone tell you a story they've written in an very informal way. Leaving early would be like cutting them off mid-sentence. It just seems disrespectful to filmmakers. Granted, the filmmakers will never know and I can understand why some people do it. It's just a pet-peeve of mine. If someone heckles the screen however... well, that's entirely different.
It might also be because I DO see many films by myself. I rarely go with friends as they have a tendency to want to talk. Heh... all this could just mean that I have a "movies are serious-business!" type personality.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
i do it very infrequently because i usually read reviews and know what i'm getting into.
with nacho libre, i had enjoyed napoleon dynamite and thought this might hold the same magic. not so.
with spawn, i was 12. i walked out with two friends and played x-men arcade until my mum picked us up. no regrets.
with nacho libre, i had enjoyed napoleon dynamite and thought this might hold the same magic. not so.
with spawn, i was 12. i walked out with two friends and played x-men arcade until my mum picked us up. no regrets.
Zabka said:
All because you got butthurt that your fave movie/comic got criticized? LOL, indeed and cry some moar. In fact, called the Waaahmbulance now.
If I went "Worst movie ever" then you have a case to be a drama-queen. But I clearly stated what I didn't like and what I liked.
Coin Return
Loose Slot
Only retards walk out on movies that they've paid to see. Would it kill you to do a little research beforehand to be sure you're interested in the material before plunking down your $10?
That being said, I would have walked out on Resident Evil 2 if it weren't for the unintentional hilarity.
That being said, I would have walked out on Resident Evil 2 if it weren't for the unintentional hilarity.
ToyMachine228
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StoOgE said:
I know. I've read the book numerous times. I'm trying to explain things in black and white for someone who didn't understand the plot at all. But I suppose that if you didn't understand the plot, then no amount of explaining is going to help.
I don't even know why I post on Forums. No one understands what the previous person was talking about, where they're coming from, what tone they're speaking in. Just one person after another trying to make the next look retarded.
StrikerObi
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Evlar said:
I walked out of Happy Go Lucky, which was nominated this year for best original screenplay. It was fucking terrible. I don't know what anybody saw in that pile of trash. I consider myself a fan of cinema and I'll sit through anything. I like big dumb blockbusters and I like quiet indie flicks. I will give any film the benefit of the doubt, but god damn Happy Go Lucky was so awful I honestly couldn't believe it. It's only the second movie I've ever walked out of for not liking. The first was Orange County.
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