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Expect these carved in your grave:
"Died 2015. Banned 2029 A.D. - Skynet Wins."
Just Zack Snyder being Zack Snyder. The fight scenes are the only aspect of this movie I think he messed up. Except the one with Rorschach and the cops, seems fairly realistic given that Rorschach is a badass. The alley fight is terrible, and in fact worse in terms of lack of realism than the prison fight. A better scene, because it's intercut with Manhattan's interview, but the fight itself is just awful.
Comedian fight in the beginning was alright, the book also mentions he's an expert hand-to-hand figher, and so is his assassin.
Comedian fight in the beginning was alright, the book also mentions he's an expert hand-to-hand figher, and so is his assassin.
polyh3dron
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Their abilities were no more superhuman than those of characters in kung fu movies. I mean holy shit it's being exaggerated.GameGamer said:
saw the DC on bluray and I gotta say... I think IMAX ruined the movie for me because its so intense and full on and not being able to take it all in really fucked up the experience for the entire group of us who went. We all walked out hating it. That said. I'd rate the bluray 3hour experience at a 8.5/10. It was sublime. The movie just played better even at the 3hour mark and it seemed more.... watchable and wasn't headache inducing and plodding. I LOVED IT!
* edit. only bit added that I wasn't sure about was the horribly weird casting of the ninja samurai
They felt like they were from the cutting floor/miscast and I wish that sequence had better casting because it was otherwise tremendously well done and... made me feel sad it got cut. The actor playing H was robbed of his scenes in the movie.
* edit. only bit added that I wasn't sure about was the horribly weird casting of the ninja samurai
men who killed hollis
Finally saw it. Never went to see it in theaters, cause of bad word of mouth. Now that I did see it, it was the director's cut. And it definitely didn't disappoint. Sure the fight scenes were a little unrealistic, but that's to be expected from Snyder. But on the whole, the film managed to capture the tone of the novel remarkably well. Casting was great, and it's cool to be able to experience the story with a soundtrack.
Yeah, loved it.
Yeah, loved it.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I think The Comedian and Dr. Manhattan were both nailed completely by their actors. I think Haley did an excellent job as Rorschach, but I wish he'd been directed by Snyder to drop the growl
Patrick Wilson did fairly well as Nite Owl, but sometimes his delivery was little stilted. I don't care about Silk Spectre II, so I couldn't care less about Ackerman. I actually liked the interpretation of Veidt, though I acknowledge that it's nothing like the comic.
I think the main actors were the least of the film's flaws.
when he wasn't wearing the mask.
I think the main actors were the least of the film's flaws.
The Lamonster
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The director's cut is the shit.
I love during the new
Genius filmmaking, if you ask me.
I also love the new shot where the Comedian is
...and loving every minute of it.
edit: seriously? we're spoiler-tagging this 20+ year-old material? fine.
I love during the new
Hollis Mason death scene where it's showing POV flashbacks to when he was taking down super villians.
I also love the new shot where the Comedian is
hanging from the helicopter shooting Viet Cong
edit: seriously? we're spoiler-tagging this 20+ year-old material? fine.
SPACECADET
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i don't see why you're suprised. if this was a thread for the book then yea, maybe. but you can't expect every movie that's based on an older source material to be fine for open spoilers like everyone will already know of it.The Lamonster said:
Fonds said:
I thought he LOOKED the part, but I definitely did not think he could convincingly deliver this character through his acting. This was most apparent when he was telling Rorschach that everyone just nods their head at him because they think he's crazy. That scene totally lost its impact because of his shoddy delivery.
Comedian was second best.
Amir0x said:
I think it holds up exceedingly well. Looks fantastic and this movie wasn't about the fight sequences anyhow. Rorschach's last scene where he cries out to Dr Manhattan to do it... was spot on. That actor was meant to play him. Not only did his voice hold up, his expressions when he said "do it" was so pained... it was pretty much the highlight of the film (aside from the obvious OMGWTFBBQ CGI work of course).
BobTheFork
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Rorschach was just lights out perfect. IF I had to pick another character it would be The Comedian. I thought he was played really well, from laughing at shooting protesters (boogeyman lulz), to crying in Mulock's room. The looks and infliction was just like I thought. I liked Dr. Man but I had never thought about how he would be acted so there isn't anything to match up to. It's a really hard role to do IMO and he had a good feel on the apathy. The only thing is that I think they played up Dr. Man being sad. Some of his expression were made that way, and there was even a line by Adrian that I don't think was in the comic (about Doc 'crying' on stage).
BobTheFork
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ok, I totally agree with that. He wasn't always 'off' but in the key moments, he just didn't have it. I think a small part of it is the changes to the character, especially at the end.Amir0x said:
I didn't like how they changed Dan's reactions; in the movie he disagreed with Adrian and screamed "NOOOO!' when Rorschach died. Hell in the book, he was fucking Laurie when Rorsh was vaporized.
Jax said:
Like I said, Rorschach was the best, clearly they spent the most time nailing his character. The rest of the film did not measure up by comparison. I am a big fan of the Watchmen comicbook, but I don't expect films to be completely faithful to the source material. In the contrary, I want directors to make meaningful changes to the material to insure the best film. It seemed that outside of the portrayal of some of the characters by the lesser actors, the movie felt like the director too often tried to capture some iconic imagery from the comic to the detriment to the film quality, making the scenes feel tortured and unnatural at times.
This is why (for example) even though Harry Potter is an atrocious book series with horrendous writing, the Prisoner of Azkaban is actually watchable for me - cut out the lame fat and had the best direction, cinematography and moral center. Source material as a base for a good film, but the best directors make the material entirely their own.
They did not do that here. The film suffered for it.
It's not a terrible film, but i'd give it 2 stars out of 4.
Is there anything that is supposed to explain why Rorschach's ink blot expressions on his Mask kept changing, despite it looks like a normal mask... the only person any kinda powers or magic was Dr.Manhatten, what is the scientific (lol) basis for the mask changing like that?
Medalion said:
It's a special fabric made by Dr. Manhattan to be used for fashion items. Rorschach used to work at a department store or something, and used that dress after the lady who ordered it didn't want it.
They could have easily explained that by adding a scene with the girl hating the dress and throwing it on the floor or something, during the intro credits. Instead of the scene with Rorschach outside his mom's room.
AlternativeUlster
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I just finished the Director's Cut which took 3 days to do. God, it goes on forever and still feels like a fanmade project than a real movie. I really think for it to work as a movie the film needed a different director that would make the film under his own artistic license. I give it * 1/2 out of ***** and I hope I never ever have to watch it again.
kitchenmotors
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AlternativeUlster said:
:lol
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:lol
Show me one fan project that's on par with Watchmen in terms of quality or directing ability. Sure, there were mistakes made with the movie, but it's not a complete disaster.
AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
kitchenmotors said:
Give this guy a 100 million dollars and I am sure his Green Arrow movie will turn out at least on par (which means it will probably still be terrible):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95HegVuty3M
The Watchmen to me is about the same level as Elektra or Catwoman quality wise. Maybe in our lifetimes, we will see it finally done right.
AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
SanjuroTsubaki said:
Well, I can see how some people enjoy it. The film has a 64 on Rottentomatoes which has to mean something. I didn't and thought I would give the director's cut a chance which just felt wasteful and should have spent my time finally get around to Chelsea Girls, Fanny and Alexander, Andrei Rublev, or some other sort of masterful epic. Ah well. I won't parade on your guy's fun anymore.
I saw the movie a little while ago. Honestly I'm indifferent. I can admit that it was pretty well done. The costumes were all nice, the cinematography was great, especially the colors in some of the scenes looked very beautiful. Dr. Manhattan was, for better or for worse, kinda weird looking. His face was well animated when they zoomed in on it, but his body looked so weird, I dunno.. like It didn't move like a real person but a rubbery video game body with overly pronounced muscles and lines where there shouldn't be any.. maybe they just haven't figured out how to make a true to life realistic CG body yet, or maybe we're supposed to be distracted by the penis.
Some of the scenes were great, and some of them had little or no emotion for me. Almost all of silk spectre's scenes seemed dead panned. My biggest and only real gripe was with the ending however. The change from
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Added Hollis Mason scene was great...but over all I remain indifferent on this movie. I guess I enjoyed it, but my feeling is that this movie didn't really needed to be made. It didn't really expand upon, or improve the original source in anyway, it just simply mimicked it in some way, lost plenty of the subtle narrative and character background, and forced extra violence and action scenes down our throats for the sake of attracting a wider audience. Anyways I can't really say that I liked it or didn't like it, all I have is a resounding ....meh.
Some of the scenes were great, and some of them had little or no emotion for me. Almost all of silk spectre's scenes seemed dead panned. My biggest and only real gripe was with the ending however. The change from
the giant squid to a bomb wasn't that big of a deal... but blaming it on Dr. Manhattan, and him being ok with that?! WTF?? I thought the plan was to get rid of him for a while (make him go to Mars) while Veidt did his thing..not frame him for it all. It's so sad that'd he'd have to leave and make all of Earth hate him, like forever..and Manhattan is just cool with it. He would have totally vaporized Veidt Rorschach style right then and there.
Added Hollis Mason scene was great...but over all I remain indifferent on this movie. I guess I enjoyed it, but my feeling is that this movie didn't really needed to be made. It didn't really expand upon, or improve the original source in anyway, it just simply mimicked it in some way, lost plenty of the subtle narrative and character background, and forced extra violence and action scenes down our throats for the sake of attracting a wider audience. Anyways I can't really say that I liked it or didn't like it, all I have is a resounding ....meh.
I don't think that any Watchmen movie in any universe would be liked by most.
I liked it, but it's weird, not really a movie, more of a retelling of the graphic novel.
An art project?
I don't know, it was just something that had to get made eventually, and what we got was simply a fulfillment of that, but it will never be a regular movie to me. Even with the whole doomsday clock, nuclear holocaust talk, it never felt like there was anything on the line, like a regular movie,(It's too grand and flashy to get away with anti-climaticness) it might as well be just a boring mystery with neat flashbacks.
I'm not regretting getting the blu-ray, though.
I liked it, but it's weird, not really a movie, more of a retelling of the graphic novel.
An art project?
I don't know, it was just something that had to get made eventually, and what we got was simply a fulfillment of that, but it will never be a regular movie to me. Even with the whole doomsday clock, nuclear holocaust talk, it never felt like there was anything on the line, like a regular movie,(It's too grand and flashy to get away with anti-climaticness) it might as well be just a boring mystery with neat flashbacks.
I'm not regretting getting the blu-ray, though.
Amir0x said:
Personally I think they nailed the Dr.Manhattan much better than Rorschach. Crudup nailed the voice of Doc.Manhattan for me - I expected him to sound not like a god but a man detached from the world. He had an otherworldly emotionless tone that felt perfect for the character.
I know some people envisioned Manhattan to have a booming amplified voice, but I like Snyder's version better - he doesn't sound too frightening but gentle - which actually makes more sense for Laurie and others to feel comfortable around him.
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Extollere said:
I don't think you really understand what "apathy" is.
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Wow...watching the BluRay with the "Maximum Movie Mode" or whatever it's called is simply awesome.
I watched the DC all the way through when it came out, and hunkered down last night to watch it through on the MMM.
Really awesome attention to detail and great features intermingled throughout the movie. Just awesome.
I watched the DC all the way through when it came out, and hunkered down last night to watch it through on the MMM.
Really awesome attention to detail and great features intermingled throughout the movie. Just awesome.
StoOgE said:
In the comic, the dress was tied to Kitty Genovese. I thought that was a nice touch.
Oh, and some folks I know have been hung up on Bubastis (the cat) in the film. I guess their argument is that the cat comes out of nowhere and is never explained. I'm not sure it needs explanation, really. It's just a super-exotic pet owned by the richest/smartest man in a world populated by superheroes.
I don't think it is the greatest film ever. It is far better than I ever expected it t be and it even does a few things better than the book in terms of making more logical sense. Overall though it also still doesn't hold a candle. It just feels unnecessary while being very entertaining to fans of the source at the same time. People who have no understanding of the novel I can't help but feel the majority will come out lost, angry, or before the films ending. I still think the best way of doing this would have been a mini-series of some sort but will I take this version? Sure. It does a wonderful job with all things considered.AlternativeUlster said:
sooperkool said:
Ya I get it
Dr Manhattan doesn't show any apathy when they try to pin the cancer thing on him (actually he gets really upset and leaves). But he doesn't get angry at all, when they frame him for the deaths of millions of people in his own country and essentially start a war against him and exile him from Earth.
i finally watched the DC last night, i think it was a nice improvement over the theatrical cut, it's one of the better DC's out there, thats for sure
the added hollis mason scene is pretty brilliant
after rewatching it tho, i still have a few gripes, the sex scene between night owl and silk spectre is way too long and borderline softcore porn, idk doesnt really seem appropriate in the film
and i would have loved if the movie ended like the graphic novel with Adrian question dr. Manhattan if he did the right thing, i wish that was in the DC
the added hollis mason scene is pretty brilliant
after rewatching it tho, i still have a few gripes, the sex scene between night owl and silk spectre is way too long and borderline softcore porn, idk doesnt really seem appropriate in the film
and i would have loved if the movie ended like the graphic novel with Adrian question dr. Manhattan if he did the right thing, i wish that was in the DC
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