They're all able to "sheathe" their flames as you put it. In fact, the Gen VI animations have them put away when not attacking.
I like the line as a whole, but I've always preferred Quilava to Typhlosion design-wise.
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They're all able to "sheathe" their flames as you put it. In fact, the Gen VI animations have them put away when not attacking.
I like the line as a whole, but I've always preferred Quilava to Typhlosion design-wise.
Not75Drops
Member
Event pokemon sound terrible. I only heard about Mew.
I went with Totodile in my first playthrough, but in Soul Silver I decided to give Meganium a try. Meganium's moveset was ok. I would have preferred if it could learn Sleep Powder.
Also since he just got finished with Mewtwo a little while ago, I just ran into one in Black 2. Should I use my Master Ball for it or is there a more difficult Pokemon I could use it for?
Mewtwo isn't in Black 2 is it? Unless it's a hack, then I'm not sure what other legendaries are in the game to justify using a Master Ball.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Biggest takeaway from that post is that Ash's father has been revealed!?
That was the #1 thing I hoped to see someday when I watched the show 20 years ago, aside from explaining the Ho-oh Ash saw before we knew what Ho-oh was.
Badass with a cute Pokemon... I like it
That was the #1 thing I hoped to see someday when I watched the show 20 years ago, aside from explaining the Ho-oh Ash saw before we knew what Ho-oh was.
Badass with a cute Pokemon... I like it
Dandy Crocodile
Member
They're playing a hack. I don't remember which one or which Pokémon are available in it.
Yay you finished the original 151, but there are still more Pokémon waiting for you.
Anyway as I have said before Jotho is cruel to Chikorita and Grass Pokémon in general since all but 2 Jotho gym leader had a type advantage against grass type.
But Bayleef was useful against Whitney since poison power was super useful and mine was female so Attract didn't affect her.
Ha ha, I assume that they will stick around for gen 2 and then drop out during gen 3 with a few making snarky comments about later gen design.
Agreed, gen 2 was greatly overshadowed by gen 1 and never steps out of it. The remake kinda gave them a limelight but Kanto still hogged it a bit.
You should compare the Charmander line stats with the Cyndaquil line stats, the result will surprise you.
Anyway as I have said before Jotho is cruel to Chikorita and Grass Pokémon in general since all but 2 Jotho gym leader had a type advantage against grass type.
But Bayleef was useful against Whitney since poison power was super useful and mine was female so Attract didn't affect her.
Ha ha, I assume that they will stick around for gen 2 and then drop out during gen 3 with a few making snarky comments about later gen design.
Agreed, gen 2 was greatly overshadowed by gen 1 and never steps out of it. The remake kinda gave them a limelight but Kanto still hogged it a bit.
You should compare the Charmander line stats with the Cyndaquil line stats, the result will surprise you.
RubberJohnny
Banned
Here's my G/S story - It launched during a period where there were significant delays for PAL releases, especially on Nintendo platforms. I went on holiday to the US coincidentally at the time it launched and encouraged our parents to get one of each version. The rest of the holiday was spent hogging wall chargers and burning through AAA batteries. At one point we were walking down to the beach in the evening and the suddenly the game turned to night and we freaked the fuck out. On going back home the previews for the game were only just starting up, the only info anyone had was the appearance of some Gen2 Pokemon in the first movie and I had the whole game. I think I played through the rest with an 8-hour time difference on the in-game clock.
Gen 3 and 4 have some of my favourite designs ever. Gen 5 and 6 are kind of meh in comparison.
Gen II is that one weird case in which my opinion of it went down considerably as time went by. I mean the games are great, even if it's obvious now how screwed the level curve is, but most of the Pokemon are just boring, useless, forgettable. I guess Lugia was that good that we didn't care back then.
Now, Feraligatr, ehhhh. It just looks weird. Off. Like not a Pokemon. Maybe it's because the sprite underwent such many changes, but now that I look at it it just doesn't seem too familiar. There are Gen VI Pokemon that feel more right than Feraligatr does. I guess I'm in a minority here though.
Sooo gooood. I remember exactly where I was and how I watched the first Johto episode, it was a revelation. That opening was just so hype. Waiting in front of the tv for that dumb orange island opening when BOOOM TOOO-DOO-TOO-TOO-TOOOOO-TOOO MOTHERFUCKER.
Now, Feraligatr, ehhhh. It just looks weird. Off. Like not a Pokemon. Maybe it's because the sprite underwent such many changes, but now that I look at it it just doesn't seem too familiar. There are Gen VI Pokemon that feel more right than Feraligatr does. I guess I'm in a minority here though.
Sooo gooood. I remember exactly where I was and how I watched the first Johto episode, it was a revelation. That opening was just so hype. Waiting in front of the tv for that dumb orange island opening when BOOOM TOOO-DOO-TOO-TOO-TOOOOO-TOOO MOTHERFUCKER.
balladofwindfishes
Member
What was with Johto and having Pokemon who wanted to be Psychic types, but weren't?
Both Noctowl and Stantler are portrayed as being Psychic Pokemon, but neither are. Like, they learn Psychic moves and the anime always makes them seem Psychic.
Having a Psychic/Flying early game bird could have been really cool.
And then you have the opposite with Lugia. Who could have been Water/Psychic, and then years later be given Levitate if they really wanted.
Both Noctowl and Stantler are portrayed as being Psychic Pokemon, but neither are. Like, they learn Psychic moves and the anime always makes them seem Psychic.
Having a Psychic/Flying early game bird could have been really cool.
And then you have the opposite with Lugia. Who could have been Water/Psychic, and then years later be given Levitate if they really wanted.
Professor Beef
Banned
Gary with that fucking cloak always gets me pumped
Yeah, I think I kinda stopped watching it partway through because of so much filler.
Looking at the episode list, Johto was stretched across 158 episodes.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Does the Elite Four in Black 2 have an innate boost to their crit chance? Because I'm getting blown away by crits here. Krookodile just crit Earthquake three times in a row to OHKO three of my Pokemon. For some reason he's also faster than Chandelure that's almost 10 levels higher than him...
The hax is unreal. If I confuse them, they attack just fine and are cured the next turn. But if I get confused, it's for a full five turns of self harm...
The hax is unreal. If I confuse them, they attack just fine and are cured the next turn. But if I get confused, it's for a full five turns of self harm...
Professor Beef
Banned
Chandelure is also naturally slower than Krookodile. The RNG gods are probably displeased with you.
Seven Force
Banned
I swear to god Johto was like the Namek of Pokemon
They were there foreverrrrrrrr
Picked up with Master Quest, though. Favorite opening theme, too.
They were there foreverrrrrrrr
Picked up with Master Quest, though. Favorite opening theme, too.
Unlike other gen, I got into gen 2 a bit later, but that was for the best as I didn't have a Game Boy Colour so I played them on my Game Boy Advance.
Personally I like all Pokémon design throughout the gens, though there are some that I am not fond off.
Yeah, the Johto arc was just dull and Ash's team never really grew and developed, heck only 1 of his Pokémon evolved and that was Chikorita whom didn't fully evolve into a Meganium.
I question why you are using a Chandelure against a Krookodile, since Krookodile has the type advantaged.
Personally I like all Pokémon design throughout the gens, though there are some that I am not fond off.
Yeah, the Johto arc was just dull and Ash's team never really grew and developed, heck only 1 of his Pokémon evolved and that was Chikorita whom didn't fully evolve into a Meganium.
I question why you are using a Chandelure against a Krookodile, since Krookodile has the type advantaged.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Its somehow easier than designing team synergy.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Needed to burn it, otherwise Lucario/Samurott can't 2 shot it without dying.
This is good, but honestly, it was the Johto League Champions theme that would always get me hype as shit. That small bit in the melody from 0:16 to 0:25 was just... Bruh.
The main problem about the Chikorita line from a gameplay perspective is that they're defensively-inclined pure Grass types. Grass doesn't work very well as a defensive type. It's weak to Fire, Flying, Ice, Poison, and Bug. That's a lot of things to be weak to. It has some nice Resistances to Ground and Water so it's not the worst defensive type, but it's pretty awful.
Then it doesn't help that Johto hates Grass types. The first two gyms are Flying and Bug for fuck's sake.
Basically, Chikorita sucks in-game and mostly sucks in multiplayer.
Then it doesn't help that Johto hates Grass types. The first two gyms are Flying and Bug for fuck's sake.
Basically, Chikorita sucks in-game and mostly sucks in multiplayer.
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Yeah, the AI can be a bitch at times especially the bosses. Stat hitting moves always seem to hit with them while mine's miss most of the time, sleep doesn't last long, and critical hits have a tendency to be high. Resetting might get you better luck and I found the combo of
Attract, Substitute, Swords Dance, and a high damaging attack to be op. I cleared Marshal completely with one pokemon with that moveset.
Duh.
But it's not a mohawk or a mane or a weird butt-tail, like I said in my original post. It's badass quills, yo. Makes way more sense.
NotDreamcast
Member
I thought it was interesting how in Gen 1, the grass starter gave the player an easier time against quite a few of the gyms, whereas in Gen 2, the grass starter had bad matchups against the majority of the gyms, essentially flipping things around making the grass type starter go from "easy mode" to "hard mode".
Yeah I'm not a big user of grass types, I used to be back in the day when the Fire-Water-Grass triumvirate was the core of all my teams, but due to all the weaknesses it has to some of the most common Pokemon types you come across and many of the best grass types having extremely limited movepools and coverage (Lilligant ;_
, I've reduced my use of the grass type down to literally zero. GameFreak make grass types better please, and make Lilligant part Fairy ffs
balladofwindfishes
Member
Smogon OU Grass types for XY
Breloom
Celebi
Ferrothorn
Serperior
Venusaur
Only Serperior is pure Grass, and is OU because he has an amazing ability.
So Grass isn't that bad, you just need a great ability, or a good alt type, or really, really good stats. Or cheat and Mega Evolve.
Breloom
Celebi
Ferrothorn
Serperior
Venusaur
Only Serperior is pure Grass, and is OU because he has an amazing ability.
So Grass isn't that bad, you just need a great ability, or a good alt type, or really, really good stats. Or cheat and Mega Evolve.
Spore OP nerf pls
That didn't stop Charmander from being the most popular starter. /bitter
Benzychenz
Member
I treasure my Manaphy, modest with a decent IV spread.
I have always wondered if the RNG is effectively skewed to favor the AI or if it's just a case of player perception. It's pretty hard to gauge probabilites while playing since people only tend to notice when they don't work in their favor.
RIP 90% of Grass types lol
But seriously though, all pure grass types should be able to learn ground moves at the very least, ground moves shouldn't be just given to the shitty ones like Sunflora, who can learn Earth Power ffs. Why can't Lilli learn Earth Power? GameFreak please.
It's okay, King Amoonguss rules VGC so that makes up for Smogon hating grass types. Virizion and Whimsicott are also viable in that format.
Burn it? heh heh
Because Charmander is freaking awesome, I mean just look at him.
How can you not love him?
I remember getting a poster in a magazine when I was a kid, it featured all the new Johto pokemon and it was my first introduction to Gold and Silver, I put it on my wall and looked at it all the time. I remember Spinarak most of all, despite not actually catching one when I actually got to play the game.
PontyfaxJr
Member
I don't post much but I just spent the last week and a half reading through this thread in my spare time and I finally caught up. This thread is fantastic and inspired me to download Omega Ruby on the eShop and give it a try. I hated Gen III back in the day but I'm really enjoying it now.
Anyway I just wanted to say thanks for such an interesting thread Birdie, keep up the good work!
Anyway I just wanted to say thanks for such an interesting thread Birdie, keep up the good work!
NipplesAndToes23
Member
I notice both times I don't know what you're talking about. Attract seems to always fuck up either side when its on. The AI in general seems better prepared. I think they make better use of items and always seem prepared for any type of Pokemon I have.
Wow. only 5 Pokemon, that's awful. I love Grass but GF needs to stop shitting on it. Especially when Fire and Water are so much better, it's really not fair for Grass to be so bad when it's part of the starting lineup.
The same happened to me. I'm trying to hold out for Nintendo's eshop sales to see if I can save money on Ruby or Sapphire, but the thread is making it difficult.
Aaronrules380
Member
You also have Amoongus in VGC format who is easily one of the best and most common pokemon in the format
Also fire type only has 3 ou pokemon
Why is this? What is it about Doubles that makes him so valuable?
Aaronrules380
Member
Rage powder and spore.
Plus regenerator as an ability, which boosts it's support capabilities even more
Grass isn't bad. I was just saying it's not a great defensive type, which it really isn't. The only OU defensive Grass types are Venusaur (Has Poison to negate the Poison and Bug weaknesses and Thick Fat to negate the Fire and Ice) and Ferrothorn (Steel negates the Ice, Bug, Poison, and Flying weaknesses). That's a major part of why Meganium sucks.
Rage Powder is good too since it allows Amoongus to protect a bro, but seriously, SPORE. 100% sleep chance is just so good.
SPORE
Rage Powder is good too since it allows Amoongus to protect a bro, but seriously, SPORE. 100% sleep chance is just so good.
Oh my goodness.
This and Master Quest opening was something else. I think the Johto saga was the best in the anime.
Aaronrules380
Member
It's really a combo of both. Hence why Breloom is nowhere near as popular in VGC as Amoonguss
edit: Though I guess Breloom suffers from being ridiculously easy prey for Talonflame, given it's poor defence and quad flying weakness
To add to this, a Pokemon's tier position on Smogon doesn't necessarily determine their viability.
There are plenty of Pokemon who don't make the "OU cut" but are still good/decent in that format. For example:
Gourgeist-XL, Chesnaught, Shaymin, Roserade, Whimsicott, Sceptile, Amoongus are viable picks in standard OU, and other formats like UU and below have Pokemon like Abomasnow and Rotom-Mow who are quite strong. Grass on its own seems like a poor type, but it more than makes up for this due to its valuable resistance to Water- and Ground-type and other factors that are unique to them (Such as Spore, Celebi's ability to cover Fighting- and Ground by itself, etc). It's certainly a flawed type, but undeniably useful.
You realize that there are more viable Grass-types in just OU alone than VGC, right?
I think Pokémon GO can open up possibilities for some really cool events. Making it so that you can get an Event Pokémon near your home with other people, and then transferring the Pokémon to the newest game and doing that.
Also, the Arceus event for HGSS was really pretty awesome. Sinjoh was an awesome connection, especially with Lightning making yet another appearance. Although I have no idea how it makes sense geographically.
Also, the Arceus event for HGSS was really pretty awesome. Sinjoh was an awesome connection, especially with Lightning making yet another appearance. Although I have no idea how it makes sense geographically.
Yes? I was just adding extra number to the list from the format I'm most familiar with. I haven't played singles in over a year so I wasn't going to start naming Pokemon from a meta that's unknown to me these days.
Have they done an event pokemon that spreads through streetpass like a virus? I know streetpass can be manipulated but it would be neat to see the pokemon introduced in say just NYC and then seeing how long it would be before it made it to LA.
Oh, I thought you were under the impression that Smogon as a whole was biased against Grass-types. Sorry.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I love Furret too
I squeed when in XY opening Volt you see it carrying a paper bag full shopping stuff
I squeed when in XY opening Volt you see it carrying a paper bag full shopping stuff
That and Breloom is way less bulky (and has a Fairy weakness instead of a resistance).
Haha no worries. I was just defending the validity of the forever misunderstood poor grass types.
Too bad my boy Talonflame laughs in all of their faces.
Fuck Cradily D: