RecRoulette
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Shit happens. As I mentioned earlier, I've had it harpoon. Sticks, but you live with it.
Damn, living with a harpoon is rough. (Just messing with you, the typo works in context lol)
Shit happens. As I mentioned earlier, I've had it harpoon. Sticks, but you live with it.
Imagine if your boss randomly came over to you at 4:59pm somedays and demanded you work another hour.
Because that's not what this note was. It wasn't simply to inform the customer about the operating hours of the restaurant, it was a passive aggressive complaint about having to do their job.Wasn't it better for the pizza place to actually serve the pizza and explain how things could be better in the future? Why is it so bad to let people know how things could be better?
Rude? That's rude??
Also several restaurants stop taking online orders as far out as 30 mins before closing. Not everyone is excited to keep employees around and hand out overtime pay. Since it is so common those employees should have requested this be an actual policy instead of leaving notes.
Reminds me of when I worked as a cart boy at a golf club for way under minimum wage.
We'd work till dark and everyone was in off the course - that was the job. In winter that was about 6pm, in summer about 8.30pm. People had to go out to play at least an hour and a half before dark. In summer things would get quiet during weekdays so sometimes you'd be able to leave at 7-7.30 if there was no one on the course (as no one could go out at that time, not enough time left).
It always blew my mind that my fellow workers got really upset if someone showed up to play at around 6-6.30pm. 'Oh great, now we'll be here till 8!' 'What an asshole, keeping us late.' 'In winter we get off at 6, this is bullshit!'
That attitude always blew my mind. Listen you dumbshits, the job is to stay until dark, and we get paid to do so. The business makes money on people coming to play golf. They have every right to do so whenever they want so long as they leave 90 minutes to get at least 9 holes in. The fact that we typically get off earlier in summer is a fucking bonus, not the standard!
What was even more stupid was that the course was going bankrupt (like so many others) so we needed every player out there we could get, and yet people who showed up in the late afternoon were treated shittily by the bag handlers out the back. It was utter fucking madness. And these were nice guys, too. But lazy, some of them. Just straight up lazy.
EDIT: In fact, the course had a 'twilight fee' - they were specifically trying to get people out to play at 6pm in summer. It was a specific goal of the business. But never mind that, the employees thought that the customer was the one with the bad attitude.
I wonder how the pizza tasted? are you just upset that some people seem to acknowledge and agree that ordering a pizza at 5 minutes to close is an inconsiderate move? I can't figure out which part bothers you.This shit bothers me. Don't accept orders 5 minutes before close then. Stop complaining about doing your job.
That happens all the time to salaried employees. Who then do the work without getting paid extra. But most places with salaried employees have some sort of flex time so it usually works out in the end.
When that happens to hourly employees, they get paid to do the work.
What were you expecting with this?
I don't have to imagine. This happens sometimes at my job. We don't expect our customers to be concerned with my working schedule. If they have something that needs to be done, we help them.
Edit: And actually now that I think about it-it's unusual that you would think this would be an unusual situation.
That happens all the time to salaried employees. Who then do the work without getting paid extra. But most places with salaried employees have some sort of flex time so it usually works out in the end.
When that happens to hourly employees, they get paid to do the work.
What were you expecting with this?
I wonder how the pizza tasted? are you just upset that some people seem to acknowledge and agree that ordering a pizza at 5 minutes to close is an inconsiderate move? I can't figure out which part bothers you.
Yeah I mean, your boss is completely aware of the situation and the results of asking you to stay late, guess I'm not sure where you're going with this...Do you think your boss is being inconsiderate in that situation? Waiting until last minute to tell you you have to work late? I certainly do.
I'm not making a comment on whether it's unusual or not. Do you think it's inconsiderate?
Do you think your boss is being inconsiderate in that situation? Waiting until last minute to tell you you have to work late? I certainly do.
I'm not making a comment on whether it's unusual or not. Do you think it's inconsiderate?
I'm bothered that some would be bothered by people being bothered that one is bothered by nurses being bothered by pizzaiolos being bothered by a last minute order.
Part of the reason why everyone should work service sector for at least 3 months in their life. Although since this is Nurses doing it, i would be more inclined to give them a pass since they get it a lot worse than restaurant workers, no doubt.
If the rig is moving to a new well and we need to clear up something prior to spending millions of dollars on a potential fuckup, then no, my boss is making the best decision he can to ensure we don't spend 10x his salary on a fucked up well. My job is to facilitate our drilling projects. I am salaried. When the rig works, I work. If I don't work, the company wastes money and I no longer have a job. When I get a call at 2 in the morning because I need to call the governmental agency we deal with to explain variances from our programs, I recognize that waiting for my happy ass to get to work costs 10s of thousands of dollars each hour, so I need to be ready to answer these requests at any time.Do you think your boss is being inconsiderate in that situation? Waiting until last minute to tell you you have to work late? I certainly do.
I'm not making a comment on whether it's unusual or not. Do you think it's inconsiderate?
Yeah I mean, your boss is completely aware of the situation and the results of asking you to stay late, guess I'm not sure where you're going with this...
I don't know what to tell you-if you have a job where you are responsible for things that are sometimes out of your control, this can happen. It's expected. If you were to tell someone interviewing you that you need to always be able to run out the door at 5pm, I'm not sure you'll get that job.
If the rig is moving to a new well and we need to clear up something prior to spending millions of dollars on a potential fuckup, then no, my boss is making the best decision he can to ensure we don't spend 10x his salary on a fucked up well. My job is to facilitate our drilling projects. I am salaried. When the rig works, I work. If I don't work, the company wastes money and I no longer have a job. When I get a call at 2 in the morning because I need to call the governmental agency we deal with to explain variances from our programs, I recognize that waiting for my happy ass to get to work costs 10s of thousands of dollars, so I need to be ready to answer these requests at any time.
That's the real world. Not everything can revolve around my schedule. I make up for these hours of work by taking off early on Fridays. These things don't happen because the consequences aren't considered, they happen because of business necessities.
If the rig is moving to a new well and we need to clear up something prior to spending millions of dollars on a potential fuckup, then no, my boss is making the best decision he can to ensure we don't spend 10x his salary on a fucked up well. My job is to facilitate our drilling projects. I am salaried. When the rig works, I work. If I don't work, the company wastes money and I no longer have a job. When I get a call at 2 in the morning because I need to call the governmental agency we deal with to explain variances from our programs, I recognize that waiting for my happy ass to get to work costs 10s of thousands of dollars, so I need to be ready to answer these requests at any time.
That's the real world. Not everything can revolve around my schedule. I make up for these hours of work by taking off early on Fridays. These things don't happen because the consequences aren't considered, they happen because of business necessities.
If the rig is moving to a new well and we need to clear up something prior to spending millions of dollars on a potential fuckup, then no, my boss is making the best decision he can to ensure we don't spend 10x his salary on a fucked up well. My job is to facilitate our drilling projects. I am salaried. When the rig works, I work. If I don't work, the company wastes money and I no longer have a job. When I get a call at 2 in the morning because I need to call the governmental agency we deal with to explain variances from our programs, I recognize that waiting for my happy ass to get to work costs 10s of thousands of dollars, so I need to be ready to answer these requests at any time.
That's the real world. Not everything can revolve around my schedule. I make up for these hours of work by taking off early on Fridays. These things don't happen because the consequences aren't considered, they happen because of business necessities.
Actually, it is a business necessity. The business necessitates the selling of goods between the posted opening and closing hours. Full stop.You're literally comparing something that could costs your company millions of dollars to a customer coming in right before closing. That is not a "business necessity," it's a personal necessity for the customer. And yeah, they have every right to do that....doesn't make it any less inconsiderate.
Actually, it is a business necessity. The business necessitates the selling of goods between the posted opening and closing hours. Full stop.
That's way too harsh a penalty to impose on those nurses.I hope they are fired and their entire family is never allowed near a pizza again.
Unacceptable.
I acknowledged in my post that they weren't comparable. The poster asked a question, I answered it.And this is comparable to people being incomsiderate and ordering pizza right before closing time how?
We already went over this last night but it seems you are right back spouting illogical bullshit again. A jobs policy is not a substitute for a customers personal ethics whenever it is convenient.
The fact a person gets paid doesn't make a customers actions right 100% of the time.
I play a lot of golf and sometimes play twilight. I play at Bethpage,NY, and the twilight rates start at 4. I would try to get a tee time around 4-4:30. I rarely would finish 18 because the pace of play is so slow at that course. I don't agree with your past coworkers cause you are getting paid and staying busy. I can also see why they think its not a cool move to come at 6-6:30 to play what would probably be 5-6 holes at least around here. Did nobody tip?
Actually, it is a business necessity. The business necessitates the selling of goods between the posted opening and closing hours. Full stop.
Wasn't it better for the pizza place to actually serve the pizza and explain how things could be better in the future? Why is it so bad to let people know how things could be better?
I acknowledged in my post that they weren't comparable. The poster asked a question, I answered it.
The only illogical bullshit I'm seeing is your continuous repetition that corporate policy isn't a substitute for personal ethics, which is an argument that I've seen exactly no one make.
I worked in a restaurant for a few years, it truly blows when people keep coming in/making to-go orders during the last few minutes. The worst is when it gets quiet with a couple hours left to close, you get everything squared away early, and then there's a big rush in the last 20-30 minutes again and the place looks like a tornado came through. You can't really compare it to any other job, cleaning up and shutting down a restaurant can drag on forever if you're busy at the end of the night.
Being a former food worker, I now try to never go in or order out anywhere during the last hour open, and last 30 minutes is absolutely not. You can still order if you want to, sure, it just sucks for the staff. Idk why people get so heated when you point that out. I'm sure most people working closing shift at a restaurant wish they had a better job (I sure did) and it's not like they're the ones setting the kitchen hours vs. the open hours. Look, I don't think you're a terrible person for getting food shortly before closing once in a while...but...I dunno. It's nice to have some level of awareness about it. If it's 8:50 and I wanna order a pizza, I'll maybe look for a place that's open 'til 10 instead of 9. It's not a big deal.
Having said that, leaving the note is incredibly stupid. Not because they're wrong, but because it's always --ALWAYS-- going to blow up in your face. This note in question is incredibly tame, and of course it's been blown up into a giant manufactured "1 share = 1 respect for downtrodden pizza consumers" drama in the most predictable way imaginable. Confronting a customer is never worth the hassle.
The restaurant workers that serve you think its inconsiderate which is what actually matters.
Huh, I thought they ordered it over the phone, still that seems like an assumption on you're part, latecomers in my retail store when closing don't matter much because we're scheduled 30 to 60 minutes after closing.Just as a customer coming in mere minutes before closing is aware of the situation and the results of coming in at that time.
Having worked both in retail and the food service industry I understand why late customers stink - and unless I have no other recourse, I am not a late customer.
That being said, if the hours of business are posted, the expectation should be that they will take orders up until the time they close. If that is not the case then that should be clearly posted at whatever pos method you have (phone, app, web or in-store).
Here's something I've tried to get you to acknowledge time and time again: personal ethics do not necessarily dictate that it is inconsiderate to perform business during business hours. I am not hand waving away ethics, I am rejecting your assertion that they would necessarily determine that ordering food during the posted hours of business is in any way inconveniencing the people who have agreed to fulfill orders during those hours.This entire thread and discussion is premised around it smart guy.
On the one hand we have some people that acknowledge the truth that ethics doesn't end for a customer at a businesses doorstep....and then we have you that is trying to hand wave away consumer ethical judgements because of corporate policy and now, with ridiculously inapplicable job comparisons.
The only thing your little rant showed was the consequences of failed obligations, they made no statement on the consumer ethics.
Actually, it is a business necessity. The business necessitates the selling of goods between the posted opening and closing hours. Full stop.
"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason."Actually, it is a business necessity. The business necessitates the selling of goods between the posted opening and closing hours. Full stop.
Purpose of these businesses are to obtain late service customers a lot of the time. I generally ask first if they are still taking orders, if they say it's getting late I generally accommodate by getting out of their hair asap. That's really the best you can do as a customer.
Huh, I thought they ordered it over the phone, still that seems like an assumption on you're part, latecomers in my retail store when closing don't matter much because we're scheduled 30 to 60 minutes after closing.
Political threads: 95% of GAF are self-described bleeding hearts pissed off about how fucked this country is. People are overworked, underpaid, left to struggle and fall through the cracks without any real social safety net in key areas. Forced to work too many jobs for too low of pay by asshole companies taking advantage of a shitty labor market that leaves many with only one unpleasant opportunity or another unpleasant opportunity...If at all.
Tipping/Delivery/Retail threads: I don't give a shit about your situation, the sign says you are open til 12am! I don't give a fuck if it is 11:58 and you have been working for barely minimum wage on a double shift so you can afford the high rent near your university(on top of your overpriced education) and are struggling to keep your grades up but you have no alternatives because most businesses these days are built to cater to the average, selfish, needy consumer that wants anything they can think of at any given moment. Go get another fucking job if it bothers you. Yeah my money is going to directly prop up this business model I would despise in a vacuum, but fuck that, I want my pizza!!
ha, yep.i love how something so trivial as this has spawned this massive discussion spanning 33 pages with no signs of stopping.
Then refuse service. Post different hours. Be clear about when it is acceptable to place an order."We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason."
i love how something so trivial as this has spawned this massive discussion spanning 33 pages with no signs of stopping.
Then refuse service. Post different hours. Be clear about when it is acceptable to place an order.
But don't blame the consumer for placing an order during posted business hours as if they're being an asshole.
This thread is about an idiot who bitched at a customer for fulfilling the business purpose of their employer completely within the expected operating procedures of that business. Domino's didn't use their right to refuse service, the employee acted like a shithead because they didn't want to do the job they agreed to do.
Domino's Pizza the nurses on 5 east deserve an apology, and I am sure as much pizza as you can deliver.
ha, yep.
To be fair, the absurd expectations placed on retail and food workers are worth critique. Most of these people are high school and college kids who go to class all day, have some extra curriculars necessary to become successful, and they work places like this until way after closing time because of moments like this for way less pay than they deserve. All of this struggle is invisible to adults who never had to go through this.