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Rudy Giuliani: " Obama should be saying the kinds of stuff Bill Cosby used to say"

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What he said is not as shocking as the author of the article wants you to think, but it does display some naivete when it comes to why crime rate is comparatively higher for blacks. I think its more of a result of socioeconomic status (and partially institutional racism) than it is the lack of family values-type stuff that Rudy is talking about. (although a good moral system certainly doesn't hurt)

And blaming government leaders for the specific crimes of others is stupid.

What in the actual fuck?. Tell me something, considering that black peoples history began at slavery and everyone has the name Johnson or Woods, believes in God, etc. Where in the world did black people lose their morals or end up with weak ones? When did they not value education? Family?

BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT BLACK AMERICA. THEY ARE AMERICANS. HAVE BEEN SINCE DAY FUCKING 1. WATCH THE SAME MOVIES, LISTEN TO THE SAME MUSIC, EAT THE SAME FOOD AND HAVE THE SAME DREAMS. Where did they drop their fucking sense of "good" in comparison to white people or others? You go on about socioeconomic factors and then inject some snippet like that? What are you trying to say about morality? That theirs a parenting problem? Where are the parents? Where are the dads? Why is it the dads and not the moms? Is that what you "meant"?

The way black people are treated, the place they find themselves in, was CREATED by white people. I can't believe this shit. 2015. And people are still trying to act as if black people weren't fighting to have the same damn bullshit "American dream" like everyone else, only to get their progress halted, communities burnt down, schools bombed, families lynched, men brutalized, women raped, and crimes against them, fucking ignored. So after a trillion years of disgusting behaviour by white people, purposefully trying to break them, they get "rights" and are suddenly expected to forget about the past, and or the fucking consequences. The same consequences and responsibility talk that white people are so damn happy to harp on about to young black people especially. Fuck that.

Partially racism. Partially. Un fucking believable. They have it. They have morals. Just like how you are so quick to think they have "less" of them, I wonder what other group or groups you would consider to have a better sense of morality. The very same people who were stripped of everything down to their names even, and given the "morality" of their enslavers don't have morals? Casting a stone in a fucking bowl of water doesn't mean there won't be ripples. Enjoy the fucking ride.
 

Izuna

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Unbelieveable.

I thought his comments would be laughed at without any agreement, but it seems there are still people who blame black people for being black.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Pretty much the republican platform.
On the surface it makes sense, however it ignores the entire industrial complex of inherent racism is many facets of life.

To say this now, post Cosby being a bad word, is just damn hilarious.
 
Unbelieveable.

I thought his comments would be laughed at without any agreement, but it seems there are still people who blame black people for being black.
I did a search for some of the older posts on GAF re: Cosby. It was a different place back then:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3884&highlight=bill+cosby
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3944&highlight=bill+cosby
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24186&highlight=bill+cosby
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36431&highlight=bill+cosby

11 years is a long time, but I wonder if any of those old posters still feel the same way about Bill Cosby's statements.
 

Izuna

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I did a search for some of the older posts on GAF re: Cosby. It was a different place back then:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3884&highlight=bill+cosby
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3944&highlight=bill+cosby
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24186&highlight=bill+cosby
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36431&highlight=bill+cosby

11 years is a long time, but I wonder if any of those old posters still feel the same way about Bill Cosby's statements.

I can't believe those past comments were ever taken as good things to say. All of it is racial profiling. If Obama was like that I wouldn't have respect for him.

It's alienating and horrific.

Obama has said time and time again that people should be judged by their character. Not their race, name, or religion. Bill Cosby's comments make it sound like a respected black man is "one of the good ones".

If black people are victims to institutionalised racism, there is not much sense in blaming them for it and saying that they should simply try harder for it, but rather tackle the institutional racism itself.

I shudder at the mention of "black culture" because there shouldn't be. There is no culture in being born with more melanin. If society is doing that, then there's a problem to address. I think Cosby seems to think black people would be the way they are even if they were socioeconomically similar to whites, and that it's their fault or something. If rich white men were all from the same creed, he'd be part of it when making those comments. He is no more of an expert just because his skin colour matches those who are struggling. Nor is Obama.
 
I did a search for some of the older posts on GAF re: Cosby. It was a different place back then:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3884&highlight=bill+cosby
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3944&highlight=bill+cosby
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24186&highlight=bill+cosby
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36431&highlight=bill+cosby

11 years is a long time, but I wonder if any of those old posters still feel the same way about Bill Cosby's statements.

...Huh.

This is interesting.
 

andthebeatgoeson

Junior Member
Not entirely true. Black people are given harsher penalties for the same crimes as other races. But giving all of the responsibility for the high crime rate among blacks to police officers is disingenuous.
Yeah, I would put that at the feet of prosecutors, the war on drugs, Nixon, racist policing and prosecution, the job market, job creators, dip shits who throw out resumes based on first names, people who don't believe it's racist but just bad behavior, racist realtor's, the assholes who gave out terrible ARM mortgages to minorities who could qualify for better, the assholes who allowed discriminatory realty practices, etc
 

bob_arctor

Tough_Smooth
I did a search for some of the older posts on GAF re: Cosby. It was a different place back then:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3884&highlight=bill+cosby
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3944&highlight=bill+cosby
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24186&highlight=bill+cosby
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36431&highlight=bill+cosby

11 years is a long time, but I wonder if any of those old posters still feel the same way about Bill Cosby's statements.

Bish waving the Cosby pom poms! Cyan with a bootstrap-esque comment? Is this some alternate past of which I was unaware??
 

aquavelva

Member
Way to not discuss his actual point and instead point and laugh at how shitty of a sound bite the quote is.

Silly gaf.

Because the actual point is absurd. The issue for black people isn't black on black crime , it's white supremacy. Go back to during reconstruction when there was no black on black crime, no hip hop, no sagging pants, no single parent homes, and none of the other false narratives that white supremacists in this country like to claim and you see the same environment in black america as you see today. High crime, high unemployment, unchecked violence and murder from white people, and institutional oppression in the public and private sector from the dominant society (aka white america).

The issue for us has always been racism and white supremacy. Talking about anything else is absolutely ridiculous.
 

bob_arctor

Tough_Smooth
Honestly I'm lucky the forum doesn't go back past 2004.

I can't even begin to remember some of the questionable shit I've said in the past, back when I was in full-press political mode during the Dubya years. Live and learn, baby. Live and learn.
 
If it makes people feel better, I think everyone (myself included, my god) is responsible for saying things they wish they could make disappear. :p
 
There was a long period where the black people need to stop putting themselves down ideology was the norm. I think a lot of it had to due with people really wanting to believe racism was over which is why i think the recentish exposure of racial inequality has been so hard for some people to accept
 

A Human Becoming

More than a Member
I did a search for some of the older posts on GAF re: Cosby. It was a different place back then:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3884&highlight=bill+cosby
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3944&highlight=bill+cosby
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24186&highlight=bill+cosby
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36431&highlight=bill+cosby

11 years is a long time, but I wonder if any of those old posters still feel the same way about Bill Cosby's statements.
Yes. Yes it is. Because he knows what it took to get there, and it wasn't sitting on his ass and blaming other people for his problems.
Yesh 10 years younger Cyan. And Bish...

Guiliani should shut his mouth about race issues. He should just shut his mouth period.
 
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