Insane Metal
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MS could have upgraded the CPU for more specific tasks... who knows? I only brought the subject up because I remembered Phil saying that, so I thought he might have asked AMD for something better on the CPU front.
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Rumor: PS5 devkits ~ 13 TFLOPS
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Imtjnotu
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Unless it's using more cores or higher clocks, no way it is stronger.
SonGoku
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Plus you need tons of GPU overhead for 60 fps, i don't think they will fall into the 60fps marketing trap again.
CyberPanda
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I welcome a more powerful CPU. Room room.
Slings and Arrows
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Not their entire generational plans, no.
However, there were substantial rumours at the time that they had to strip components out of their OS. They didn't bank on the DRM like Microsoft did, but apparently it was on the roadmap up until MS's E3 presentation.
It was only a one liner in one interview. Look how much (outside of this interaction and thread) it is being talked about and picked apart. Sometimes in marketing, less is more.
Slings and Arrows
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Yep, this is true. Blu ray became 3D Blu ray at the drop of a hat with a software update on the PS3. It wasn't mentioned though until 3D Blu ray became a thing. It was a surprise from out in the open.
This is all IMO of course, i just find it strange that they would mention 8k in an interview designed to make people pick apart what little information they gave. Sony planned that interview, they planned to give very little away, why they did that? Who knows. Maybe because they don't have solid specs to give out yet or maybe they wanted it to be more of a tease and a sly undermine of Microsoft.
Ar¢tos
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Probably just means support for 8k video/streaming, an unveiled attempt to promote their new 8k tvs?
TeamGhobad
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could xbox2 go with 10 cores? or is that out of the question?
Slings and Arrows
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Possibly, but would they want to risk making their 4K sets seem obsolete when 4K content is on the tipping point? There will be a shit load of 4K games and more movies coming within the next generation. I just thinking dropping the 8K bomb, when they did, how they did, is just a little more suspect than selling TV's.
It's the one thing from that interview that really stuck in my mind. It's so out of place when you look at the context.
llien
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Recent design that AMD has shown looks like this:
There, the big black box is "IO" part (built on 14nm at Global Foundries), and the smaller chip is 8 core Ryzen 2 built on 7nm process at TSMC. (note the empty space below it, enough for another CPU chiplet, that is why people expact 16 core CPUs to go mainstream).
Very good reasons (I don't see any) are needed to not go with 8.
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SonGoku
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Why waste die space that would be better used on the GPU when a 8 core ryzen is already more than capable?
What's the point of a CPU that ends up being bottlenecked by the GPU.
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llien
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#metoo think that beefier GPU is most likely.
Ding_Dong007
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Comparing a 2018 GPU to a 2020 console? Bold move.
he deleted the tweet but someone screen captured the tweet
Edit: can a mod fix the thread title? I somehow left out the 'F' in TFLOPS
Also Read the whole detailed Article HERE: https://digiworthy.com/2019/05/01/sony-ps5-specs-leak/
PS5 leak mentions 3.2GHz Zen 2 CPU, 12.9TF Navi GPU, & More
Pretty Impressive though.
Ar¢tos
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I don't think AMD would bother redesigning the CPU for a single console to have a 10 core version when that design would have no future use and face worse yields than the 8 core. It's easier for them to use multiple 8 cores together (16,24,32,etc - with pc market in mind)
8 cores Zen2 will probably be more than enough for 10-14tf consoles.
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xool
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The Zen cores come in sets of 4 - so it would have to be 12 .. It's not out of the question for snek - MS has shown it's not adverse to releasing a relatively expensive well made "luxury" product - ie the X.
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Ar¢tos
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I know it would be a even bigger waste of space, but they could do 10 cores for the same price of 8 if they used 8 + 4 with 2 disabled, using leftovers with bad yields.
Imtjnotu
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But ryzen doesn't have any yield issues that we know of. Last I read the 7nm for ryzen 2 was at 70% so it's not out of the question. At that point the supply is what becomes an issue for ten cores because you're pretty much banking on chips failing just to put them in your machine
Ar¢tos
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In that case, 8 cores it is!
CyberPanda
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Imtjnotu
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Any quick summary?
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Insane Metal
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According to leaks Radeon RX3080 =~GTX1080 + 10% @ 15% less power due to 7nm. 150w. About what is expected for the PS5.
LordOfChaos
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No, we expect visually intensive games will attempt to make 4K.
I think part of the reason for the half gen refresh was that 4K displays came down to the prices where they a large part of new TVs sold due to economies of scale. The original boxes didn't support the output at all. Not that they could run games at it, they just didn't benefit from the display even when doing nothing stressing the GPU, the console UI or video streaming for instance.
I think that's it. Display future proofing. The UI and some very undemanding games will hit 8K, but it's just there so that they can support them at all towards the tail of the generation. No one in their right mind is expecting visually intense games to hit that on a mid range 2020 GPU.
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Coulomb_Barrier
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This twat is making things up again to get views and more Patreon subs.
"Ryzen 3000 16-core 4.2Ghz BASE clock" I haven't forgot that gem.
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Freeman454
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In hell PS5 is going to offer the performance of a GPU launched early 2016? GTX 1080 is a 8/9TF GPU, Pascal FLOPS to that. But perhaps that equals 14 AMD TFLOPS, so it looks nice on paper atleast.... lol
PS4 didnt do that bad then considering if what you are saying is true.
And all those that talk gold about anything that has to do with AMD and Sony arent twats cause.... well they fullfill your dreams. I think some have a more realistic look on things, thats all. Mark Cerny's words where much nicer to the ears though.
On a side note, Navi is the mid-range stop gap product between the high-end Radeon II and the real 'Next-Gen' which is gonna be a real new high performing, advanced GPU.
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CrustyBritches
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Some of adored's comparison are a little odd.
I had the R9 390 PCS+ and it had 282W power consumption. Side-graded to a RX 480 that had power consumption of 166W. The RX 480 ended up being a good move because I made a killing with ethereum at the time, but it was ~5% weaker for gaming in general. R9 390 was I believe $299 and RX 480 $269. The jump from 28nm to 14nm resulted in a 41% decrease in power consumption and 5% decrease in performance. Apply that to Vega 64 and you get almost 300W Vega 64 performance for 167W.
I love AMD, but their cards are usually on the hotter and more power hungry side. Maybe they've moved to more balanced approach and away from their heavy reliance on compute? Half the power with +15% performance sounds great, though. I'm getting this "RX 3080" regardless.
I had the R9 390 PCS+ and it had 282W power consumption. Side-graded to a RX 480 that had power consumption of 166W. The RX 480 ended up being a good move because I made a killing with ethereum at the time, but it was ~5% weaker for gaming in general. R9 390 was I believe $299 and RX 480 $269. The jump from 28nm to 14nm resulted in a 41% decrease in power consumption and 5% decrease in performance. Apply that to Vega 64 and you get almost 300W Vega 64 performance for 167W.
I love AMD, but their cards are usually on the hotter and more power hungry side. Maybe they've moved to more balanced approach and away from their heavy reliance on compute? Half the power with +15% performance sounds great, though. I'm getting this "RX 3080" regardless.
Coulomb_Barrier
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No with AMD CPUs it's the opposite: he over hypes things with 'leaks' and plays off the hopes and dreams of the fans. This video is after his older videos where he alone hyped Navi up, now he's going the other way for the drama and headlines and more views.
CrustyBritches
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I just finished that adordedtv vid and took a screenshot for folks who don't want to sit through the whole thing...
The power consumption on these is more in line with the jump from 28nm to 14nm I experienced. Would be competitive either way since Nvidia is way overpriced with no competition in perf/watt currently.
The power consumption on these is more in line with the jump from 28nm to 14nm I experienced. Would be competitive either way since Nvidia is way overpriced with no competition in perf/watt currently.
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MadYarpen
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The last part of the video doesn't fill you with confidence...
Freeman454
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Well, thats the thing when you hype things up, you might be dissapointed in the end.
bitbydeath
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Unknown, it might become more clear after E3 though.
I suspect they'll be close in power and both reaching resolutions of 4K+.
The main differentiator will be if MS goes through with a weak system which will drag down the potential of what can be done on the more powerful system.
wordslaughter
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Well, damn.
That Adored TV video is DAMNING for Navi and in turn the PS5 and Nextbox.
The whole idea of a 12.9Tflop PS5 was based on Navi being exceptional in that it would be able to clock very high while drawing a lot less power.
Basically 56CUs @ 1.8Ghz. - that's 12.9Tflops.
But a 1.8GHz GPU in a console is unheard of, but in the realm of possibility if Navi was a high clocking champ and managed to do so at lower power/thermals. For example if Navi was clocking @2.2Ghz on the PC GPU side of things why should 1.8Ghz in a console be so unreasonable?
But this leak suggests that Navi can't clock as high as Vega 20 ( Radeon 7 ), which manages 1.8Ghz. That's 1.8GHz in a dedicated GPU while pulling 300 watts. He goes on to claim that eventually they do manage higher clocks but the power draw becomes ridiculous - and this is compared to an already 300w GPU!
This could all be wrong, but I'm just going on the info we have at the moment.
If Navi can't clock as high as they were hoping then we can forget about 12.9 Tflops.
Assuming 56CU's here's what it looks like....
@ 1.8GHz = 12.9Tflops
1.7 = 12.18
1.6 = 11.47
1.5 = 10.75
1.4 = 10
1.3 = 9.31
1.2 = 8.6
1.1 = 7.9
I wish we knew what kind of power draw Navi pulls at each of those clocks. Based on this leak it's not favorable but there is a sweet spot in there somewhere.
At this point so much depends on what power/thermal envelope Sony decides on. They could put their cap at a 150watt console or maybe they say fuck it, beef up their cooling solution and go for 300 watts.
PS - Do we know what GPU is in the PS5 devkits? It can't be Navi yet. If the 12.9 Tflops dev kit number is accurate the closest match seems like a slightly overclocked Vega64. Vega 64 @1575mhz is 12.9 Tflops.
If it's a Radeon 7, if they slightly lowered the boost clock down to 1680mhz, that too would hit 12.9Tflops.
That Adored TV video is DAMNING for Navi and in turn the PS5 and Nextbox.
The whole idea of a 12.9Tflop PS5 was based on Navi being exceptional in that it would be able to clock very high while drawing a lot less power.
Basically 56CUs @ 1.8Ghz. - that's 12.9Tflops.
But a 1.8GHz GPU in a console is unheard of, but in the realm of possibility if Navi was a high clocking champ and managed to do so at lower power/thermals. For example if Navi was clocking @2.2Ghz on the PC GPU side of things why should 1.8Ghz in a console be so unreasonable?
But this leak suggests that Navi can't clock as high as Vega 20 ( Radeon 7 ), which manages 1.8Ghz. That's 1.8GHz in a dedicated GPU while pulling 300 watts. He goes on to claim that eventually they do manage higher clocks but the power draw becomes ridiculous - and this is compared to an already 300w GPU!
This could all be wrong, but I'm just going on the info we have at the moment.
If Navi can't clock as high as they were hoping then we can forget about 12.9 Tflops.
Assuming 56CU's here's what it looks like....
@ 1.8GHz = 12.9Tflops
1.7 = 12.18
1.6 = 11.47
1.5 = 10.75
1.4 = 10
1.3 = 9.31
1.2 = 8.6
1.1 = 7.9
I wish we knew what kind of power draw Navi pulls at each of those clocks. Based on this leak it's not favorable but there is a sweet spot in there somewhere.
At this point so much depends on what power/thermal envelope Sony decides on. They could put their cap at a 150watt console or maybe they say fuck it, beef up their cooling solution and go for 300 watts.
PS - Do we know what GPU is in the PS5 devkits? It can't be Navi yet. If the 12.9 Tflops dev kit number is accurate the closest match seems like a slightly overclocked Vega64. Vega 64 @1575mhz is 12.9 Tflops.
If it's a Radeon 7, if they slightly lowered the boost clock down to 1680mhz, that too would hit 12.9Tflops.
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Insane Metal
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If the rumour is true expect 9-10TF max. lol
CyberPanda
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AMD keeps on slayin'.
One Eyed Willy
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Acquisition discussions NEVER are known but by only first C level executives/board, then trickles into financial and VP level of IT to prepare for mergers etc.. No regular employee, even some software "engineer" would know. They find out when we find out.
I say this as someone who worked for a multi-national conglomerate who did 5-10 large scale acquisitions a year. I worked here for 15 years, I kind of know how it works a little. Your friend would probably find out about Insomiac being bought out after you and I, since it would be announced during the day or at E3 while he's at work, doing his job.
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DeepEnigma
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Seems like FUD.
wordslaughter
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I hope so... but doubt it. If you are familiar with Adored TV you'll know he doesn't spread FUD against AMD. He's a huge AMD fan.
What he's heard and is reporting on may not be true. But for him to report on it like this you can be sure that he believes it.
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bitbydeath
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As I mentioned in the last thread Navi is a series and not a singular.
Navi 10 is expected to be budget and Navi 20 is expected to be high-end with Ray Tracing support.
Navi 10 is expected to be budget and Navi 20 is expected to be high-end with Ray Tracing support.
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Nobody is disputing that there are multiple Navi chips. Above "leak" shows Navi 20 and Navi 10
They could have a AI chip & free up the CPU more.
Freeman454
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Rumors were that navi10 'lite' was for ps5. Guess that will be navi20 now, untill that one doesnt fit the bill, offcourse.
bitbydeath
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Chances are slim that their will be any further iterations in time for a 2020 launch. Best you can hope for is additional modifications made off the GPU.
bitbydeath
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Yes.
SonGoku
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What!? Fuck i expect 1080Ti or Vega 64 at the very least
GTX 1080 in 2020 would be a disappointment and around 10TF.
wordslaughter
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But, why?
The 1080ti ( ~12 Tflops ) is still the 2nd most powerful gaming GPU, roughly tied for 2nd with the 2080(~ 11 Tflops) and Radeon 7 (~13 Tflops).
Expecting that level of performance in a relatively lower powered APU next year is maybe expecting too much?
I get it that there are these 12.9 Tflop rumors. But for the life of me I just don't understand how that's supposed to be possible. And this latest Adored TV leak just threw cold water on my already existing doubt.
The Radeon 7 is a 7nm, 300watt, $700 GPU but you want the same level of performance next year in a 150 watt console for $399.
SonGoku
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1080Ti will be nearly 4 years by PS5 launch, and we already know PS5 its going to be faster than 10tf (gtx 1080 performance)
R7 is a salvaged professional card, not a good indication of what can be achieved on 7nm with an arch designed around it, not to mention Navi being much better.
"Leaked" spec sheet shows 1080Ti performance in the 150w-180w bracket, so much for using rumors uh?
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wordslaughter
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A lot of speculation and wishful thinking on your part.
Yes, it's true that the 1080ti is from 2017. But it won't be Nvidia making the GPU for the PS5, it will be AMD. And it took AMD 2 years and on a superior node just to match what Nvidia was doing in 2017. Except they didn't quite match Nvidia because the 1080ti is 250 watts while the Radeon is 300.
Your claims of Navi being "much better" is unfounded. Latest leaks suggest that CU for CU Navi can't even match Vega 20. And while there will likely be a "Big Navi" one day that will surpass the Radeon 7, that won't be the GPU in the PS5.
EDIT : Don't get me wrong. I hope I'm wrong and they pull some magic out of a hat or have some secret muti-chiplet GPU in the works with Sony. The more powerful next gen console hardware is the more impressive next gen games will be.
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