Aintitcool
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[RUMOR] Red Dead Redemption 2 to be revealed as an Epic Games Store Exclusive
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sendit
Member
Other than having *your gaming collection* in a unified location, why not? Both Steam and Epic are in it for the money. Would love to see the out rage.
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Aintitcool
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No mod support on epic store.
KonradLaw
Member
My guess is that they want people to buy it three times, first for PS4/XONE, then for PC and finally for next-gen, so those releases will be evenly spaced out
KonradLaw
Member
Eh...I don't think you realize how Rockstar Launcher works.
It's the same as with Ubisoft games. No matter if you buy then on Epic or Steam you will still have to effectively use two launchers. When you launch the game on Steam/Epic it will launch Uplay client and only then will allow you to play. With Steam you can at least make some arguments for added functionality of the client that makes this double launching make sense as opposed to buying directly through Uplay. Epic doesn't have, You would have to be an idiot to buy Ubisoft game through EGS instead of through Uplay.
Same thing as Rockstar Launcher. If RDR2 releases on it and on Epic then getting in on Rockstar will mean using just it. Getting it on Epic will mean having to use both Epic and Rockstar at the same time, as Epic lacks any added functionality to make it worthwhile.
ResilientBanana
Member
So people are ok with Half-Life being Exclusive to Valve, but if other games are exclusive to the Epic store, Epic sucks?
PPIMystaceus
Member
You tried.
KonradLaw
Member
I haven't seen anyone complain about Fortnite being EGS exclusive.
People don't mind HL or Fortnite exclusivity because those games were created by the same companies that own those services. They serve the same role as exclusives on consoles. So people treat them as added benefit, as without exclusivity they might not be made at all (HL would, but something like DOta 2 or TF2 likelly wouldn't).
When Epic buys exclusives it's different, because it buys shortly before the release. So you're not getting games you otherwise wouldn't. Instead Epic spending is taking the option to play on Steam away from you. So there's no benefit of exclusivity for you as a gamer, only downside.
Hopefully as times goes by Epic will just fund games from the ground up, but for now it's not surprising to see why some people are angry.
It's not like it's a new concept. Nobody sane complains about Halo or Gears of War not being on PS4, but a lot of people complained when Microsoft moneyhatted Square-Enix to keep Rise of Tomb Raider from appearing on PS4 for a long while.
synchronicity
Member
I've been eagerly awaiting for the PC version, but I won't get it if it's on Epic's store. I'm a patient man, and I'll either wait for a Steam release or play on PS4/5.
Epic will never see a single cent from me.
Epic will never see a single cent from me.
ResilientBanana
Member
I see your point but I guess I’m beyond playing favs at this point. I’m all about who can get me the best price but I’m not going to play favorites with who takes my money better.
Self_Destructive
Member
Better stop buying games that use the Unreal Engine then
synchronicity
Member
Better stop buying games that use the Unreal Engine then
I'm just referring to their storefront. I thought that much was obvious, lol.
KonradLaw
Member
Well..BL3 was big enough for them to be willing to only do 6 months exclusivity, so I could see them doing the same for RDR2
KonradLaw
Member
I wonder if Epic won't get in trouble for that if Epic Games Store grows. I mean, the waving off UE fee on EGS. Seems like EU anti-trust waiting to happen if EGS ever gets big enough to attract such attation.Better stop buying games that use the Unreal Engine then
Epic isn't going to get you the best price (except for their free game bribes), nor the best store front.
Mattyp
Gold Member
RDR2 is a boring game with a shit 80s control scheme but EGS entitlement breakdowns are always a laugh.
ResilientBanana
Member
It doesn’t have to be if it has the games I like. But we’ve not really seen too many sales yet. I bet they will have good deals in the fall and I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the deals are better than steam now that the publishers and devs get a bigger cut.
sol_bad
Member
Please, Rockstar loves money. If all they were doing was selling their game to customers, they'd release their game on Steam, Epic and R+Social Club, get the maximum possible revenue from all places. Just like they sell their games at all retail stores.
It's obvious that there is monetary gain by going Epic exlusive, it's the only reason they'd do it.
Or else, please explain how not selling on the platform with the highest amount of users makes sense?
Anyway, I personally don't care if RDR2 is Epic exclusive, if it never releases on Steam I never buy it. They don't need my monies anyway.
Vawn
Banned
Epic lets developers keep more of the profits. Why would anyone blame them for doing so?
If you want the games on Steam, appeal to VALVE to do something. Quit calling the developers greedy, while ignoring the fact Valve is still demanding absurd revenue splits while completely ignoring what the competition is offering.
If you want the games on Steam, appeal to VALVE to do something. Quit calling the developers greedy, while ignoring the fact Valve is still demanding absurd revenue splits while completely ignoring what the competition is offering.
sol_bad
Member
Epic has a considerably smaller user base.
What's better?
Considerably larger user base + slightly less profit.
Considerably smaller user base + slightly larger profit.
Dacon
Banned
I don't understand this mindset of being entertained by people's unhappiness.
Pagusas
Elden Member
...it’s a free store front, not a locked in hardware system. Content like RDR2 will get people to download it. Just like Diablo gets people to download battle.net
sol_bad
Member
People are happy to buy the publishers games on their own store front.
No one has an issue with buying EA games on Origin.
No one has an issue buying Ubisoft games on Uplay.
No one has an issue buying Rockstar games om R*Social.
No one has an issue buying Activision/Blizzard games on Battlenet.
No one has an issue playing Fortnite on EGS.
But you didn't answer my question. What incentive does a publisher/developer have to release a game on a store with a much smaller user base?
sendit
Member
This is a situation I would laugh at. Why? Because it is stupid as a consumer to protest against competition.
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Dontero
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You assume people give a shit about steam when they buy rockstar games.
Rockstar is to big for steam market to matter much.
Meaning that if people want to buy their game they will buy it regardless if there will be steam version or not.
I already said too that there are already publishers that completely ignore Steam like EA who are perfectly fine with their own store.
Rockstar store is kind of different because it is not really a store and more of a key receiver for physical coppies.
Maybe their rock-star store is pretty bad financially to run and they want to ignore most of the cost of running it with their new game thus they go to actual store and yet it has nice cut.
THE MAIN reason origin, uplay and other exist was because Steam took too big of a cut. Rockstar store poped up mainly for key receiveing when people buy their games physically.
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Iced Arcade
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Probably would have made more sense making a new thread. People are not seeing this post.
Kadayi
Banned
At this juncture the revenue split on Steam for AAA titles is better than that of retail. RDR2 would only have to clear 1 million units (easily done) and they're paying a 5th versus a 3rd.
Katsura
Member
Rockstar is shit nowadays anyway and RRD2 is just as dull as all the other open world, check list games except with clunky controls. They haven't released a great game since San Andreas. If they want to grab some of that Epic money, i don't care. I'm sure it's a scoop for Epic but perhaps they should spend some of that cash on improving their ecosystem instead of focusing solely on developers
Dacon
Banned
You might have a point if Epic was actually as good a platform as steam. They can't even get preloading right.
Dontero
Banned
Retail for PC games in most of western world doesn't exist. You argument would be valid 10 years ago or in country like Germany or Poland.
MMaRsu
Banned
Because the EGS is a piece of crap that doesnt offer preloading or cloudsaves? or friends..reviews..forums.. anything really
sol_bad
Member
It would make sense to sell it on R*Social, or on a 2K centric store where they get 100% of the profit, It still makes no sense to sell it on Epic store and not on Steam "just because".
Rockstar are big but user reviews of RDR2 aren't 100% glowing.
Just using simple maths makes no sense.
Steam has 90 million active numbers.
Epic has 85 million registered users but 40% of them don't use Steam at all.
40 percent of Epic Games Store users say they don't have Steam
Epic said at GDC that 85 million people now use its store.
www.pcgamer.com
Now this is just hypothesizing but I think it is fairly safe to assume that 40% only play Fortnite or they only have an account for the free games. I'm sorry, but if you don't have or use Steam there is a very high chance you don't play or buy games on PC because that has literally been the default place to get and play PC games from over the last 10 years or so. The other 60% of the users or more likely to have bought games on Steam. This knocks their potential sales base down to about 51 million users.
Let's say that all 90 million Steam users and all 51 million Epic users purchased RDR2.
Steam - $60usd x 90,000,000 = $5,400,000,000usd - 20% = $4,320,000,000usd
Epic - $60usd x 51,000,000 = $3,060,000,000usd - 12% = $2,692,800,000usd
It's all hypothetical because we have no idea what sort of numbers really sell. But looking at the above, unless Epic were willing to shell out some serious compensation, I wouldn't be going exclusive.
Dontero
Banned
It would make sense to sell it on R*Social, or on a 2K centric store where they get 100% of the profit, It still makes no sense to sell it on Epic store and not on Steam "just because".
Rockstar are big but user reviews of RDR2 aren't 100% glowing.
Just using simple maths makes no sense.
Steam has 90 million active numbers.
Epic has 85 million registered users but 40% of them don't use Steam at all.
40 percent of Epic Games Store users say they don't have Steam
Epic said at GDC that 85 million people now use its store.
Now this is just hypothesizing but I think it is fairly safe to assume that 40% only play Fortnite or they only have an account for the free games. I'm sorry, but if you don't have or use Steam there is a very high chance you don't play or buy games on PC because that has literally been the default place to get and play PC games from over the last 10 years or so. The other 60% of the users or more likely to have bought games on Steam. This knocks their potential sales base down to about 51 million users.
Let's say that all 90 million Steam users and all 51 million Epic users purchased RDR2.
Steam - $60usd x 90,000,000 = $5,400,000,000usd - 20% = $4,320,000,000usd
Epic - $60usd x 51,000,000 = $3,060,000,000usd - 12% = $2,692,800,000usd
It's all hypothetical because we have no idea what sort of numbers really sell. But looking at the above, unless Epic were willing to shell out some serious compensation, I wouldn't be going exclusive.
You made one big wrong assumption. That people buy games because they happen to be user of some shop. Not because they want to buy certain game.
Get this: Most of people don't give a flying fuck where they buy their games. They want to buy them and they will buy them whatever they are mostly steam users, epic users or whatever.
Which is why this rage is all about. Because all of people who snide on Epic know full well in their guts that their scheme is working.
And from what i have been reading RDR sold about 20mln copies and it didn't take them long to reach it. That is not maybe GTA5 100mln but it is enough to be the biggest hit of the year in any year they would release their game.
So yes people will buy it regardless if it is on steam or not.
The store userbase is much more important to small indie developers though. But it is not like Epic didn't show that actually they can also sale a lot of games going by Satisfactory numbers.
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For Fortnite. But not for ther thing they call store.Epic has 85 million registered users but 40% of them don't use Steam at all.
40 percent of Epic Games Store users say they don't have Steam
Epic said at GDC that 85 million people now use its store.
Also Rockstar Take Two would not be that fucking stuid when GTA still sells better than most other games on Steam.
Shifty
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MMaRsu
Banned
Actually no its not, Epic userbase doesnt even bother downloading the free games, less than 5% of its userbase downloads the free games.
And you think people are buying games in droves on the egs?
Hilarious.
And I wouldt trust any numbers from egs
So you mean like fortnite? Fortnite and also Half Life were developed by Epic and Valve
Dontero
Banned
Satisfactory apparently sold about 500k copies. Worlds of dev not Epic.
That is new indie game coming from new studio with some level or people attention (mostly from Factorio community).
So yes they sell.
Which brings me to my point from post before.
People buy game not platforms.
If i want to play Borderlands 3 i will buy it from Epic store if Epic store is the only place i can get it.
Same as any other gamer out there who want to play their games.
Pagusas
Elden Member
You mean this Half-Life?
What point are you trying to make? We are talking PC exclusives to storefronts, RDR2 is also on consoles, that doesn’t change the term being used here, as it will be exclusive to the Epic storefront on pc.
MMaRsu
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Why are you being so daft? Why are you coming with this bullshit " ITS JUST ANOTHER SHORTCUT BRO". Can you stop this? If that is your conclusion why people dont want EGS then you are a clueless moron. But you keep stanning and keep shilling the same bullshit arguments that hold no water.
Are you even a pc gamer?
MMaRsu
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Posting rumors as facts now rofl
Dontero
Banned
Lol are you the one who asked for my library screenshot before ? Are you kid or something ?
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Pagusas
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Huh? Read what I wrote, that line was directly connected to “terms being used” thus the coma and not a period. In the context of this conversation that is the term being used, which makes the image that poster posted make no sense.
MMaRsu
Banned
No, but are you? You seem mentally challenged to come up with the same bullshit over and over
I think the other user was right to ask for a pic of ypur library. I doubt you even play anything on pc.
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