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[Neff]

Like super in 3d yeah?

Pretty much. Until Other M, Super was the game that showed Samus at her speediest and most dexterous. They totally nailed that feeling in 3D. Running around the Bottle Ship, jumping on enemies, evading, wall-jumping, Morph Balling- all that stuff's super-intuitive and a real pleasure.

 

[Munkybhai]

Pretty much. Until Other M, Super was the game that showed Samus at her speediest and most dexterous. They totally nailed that feeling in 3D. Running around the Bottle Ship, jumping on enemies, evading, wall-jumping, Morph Balling- all that stuff's super-intuitive and a real pleasure.

Shh, you're a not allowed to say that any part of that game was good, don't you know that?

 

[DaV]

Even if everyone says otherwise, I feel that Other M really had the recipe for a great third-person 3D Metroid game... It's just that Sakamoto dropped the whole bag of cheesy story (the baby!) and linear progression into the mix.

Can you imagine if Retro was working on a third-person 3D Metroid with a speedy and agile Samus, a vast interconnected world on the level of the first Metroid Prime and beautiful HD graphics? I can and it looks great, too bad we will probably never play something like that thanks to the fiasco that the end result of Other M was.

 

[Toxi]

The combat in Other M was pure button-mashing garbage with no progression or depth. No, it is not a good gameplay base for a future Metroid game unless you enjoy mindlessly hammering the D-pad because Nintendo thinks you have the mental capabilities of a goldfish.

It's laughable that people latch onto the "But Samus is agile!" defense of Other M because that's legitimately the only part of the game that isn't complete garbage... And it's still hampered by every other aspect of the game, from the shitty D-pad control to the context-sensitive dodge that stops you from moving normally during combat to the horrid level design that actively funnels you into moving only the way the developers want you to move.

If you want a combat-focused Team Ninja game where you can be an agile badass, play Ninja Gaiden Black; it's better in every way than Other M. If you want a Metroid game, play anything but Other M.

 

[Christine]

Shh, you're a not allowed to say that any part of that game was good, don't you know that?

Psst.

I can still hear you.

 

[Neff]

The combat in Other M was pure button-mashing garbage with no progression or depth. No, it is not a good gameplay base for a future Metroid game unless you enjoy mindlessly hammering the D-pad because Nintendo thinks you have the mental capabilities of a goldfish.

It's laughable that people latch onto the "But Samus is agile!" defense of Other M because that's legitimately the only part of the game that isn't complete garbage... And it's still hampered by every other aspect of the game, from the shitty D-pad control to the context-sensitive dodge that stops you from moving normally during combat to the horrid level design that actively funnels you into moving only the way the developers want you to move.

If you want a combat-focused Team Ninja game where you can be an agile badass, play Ninja Gaiden Black; it's better in every way than Other M. If you want a Metroid game, play anything but Other M.

Never give up bro

 

[Nanashrew]

Preach.

I find my predictions for NX exactly in-line with yours AniHawk. I don't think NX is a console at all, but a platform similar to Netflix. The platform will probably launch in 2016. The platform may or may not even be available on the 3DS and WiiU in some fashion.

I strongly feel Nintendo's new strategy for game distribution might be entirely digital, with retail items (such as amiibo's or 'download cards') being used to represent games if consumers desire. I don't know if their next consoles will include disc drives.

I can see Zelda and Retro's new Metroid project launching on NX and WiiU at the same time, but by that I mean you can buy the retail WiiU packaged disc, or you can download it for their NX service full-well knowing you'll have it immediately on future hardware. Imagine buying Zelda for WiiU digitally, knowing when their new handheld comes out in late 2016 it'll play the game immediately.

I also strongly feel their next consoles won't have a lot of *new* games at launch. As you said, they need new hardware for 2016 if they are going to return to serious profits. However, so many of their 3DS, WiiU, and virtual console games will have moved to the NX platform, by the time their new NX-supporting console/handheld launch, it'll have a massive library.

The last thing I feel like they should do, but might not, is offer some sort of Netflix-style service for NX. Pay 6.99 a month and have every NES-N64 virtual console game on the platform, with new additions every little while.

Nintendo's retail representation will still exist, but not in the slogging packaged game market, but in amiibo toys, controllers, hardware, and download cards.

This is my prediction, but I feel like it's an innovate and logical way to move forward. It simplifies development, it aligns their platforms, and it offers an innovative and forward-thinking way to play their games.

Then I'm out of gaming. I cannot afford more services, I can't even afford PS+. I can get games here and there when they come but a Netflix service for games where I can barely pay monthly bills? FUCK THAT.

 

[OmegaDL50]

You know I was somewhat hoping that Retro would have taken a modified version of the DKCR / DKC:TF engine and refit it for a Metroid title that would be similar to Shadow Complex or Strider 2014. You know a natural progression to Super Metroid / Metroid Fusion but on console. It's not like Retro is inexperienced in making a solid platformer based on their work in Tropical Freeze, and then consider their history on the Prime series. Why not combine their knowledge with Prime and the platforming talent with Tropical Freeze and create something not unlike Super Metroid, basically using Prime's 3D aesthetics and atmosphere but the platforming stuff that a classic 2D Metroid is known for.

Still I AM curious what this new engine of theirs is being used for. I guess it'll be a wait and see approach for whatever they plan to announce. Maybe at E3 perhaps.

 

[Rival]

Anything new from retro should be good!

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Anyone hoping for a new Metroid is probably setting themselves up for disappointment. Nintendo really has no clue what to do with the series.

I got the impression at last year's E3 with that one Miyamoto interview they at least realize people either want a straight up Super sequel or another Prime. I'd personally want another attempt at a 3rd person Metroidvania that doesn't piss most of the fanbase off, but I can't blame them for being cautious after the fallout surrounding MOM.

I want Retro on something new though. Loved DKCTF but I feel like Monster Games probably has enough experience to do their own fully new, solo DK game now and Metroid could similarly have a new 2D Metroid game on the 3DS that wouldn't necessarily need Retro on it.

 

[SmackAttack]

No more fucking sidescrollers, please.

When I see posts like this I can't help but laugh a bit. They've made two well crafted, excellent sidescrolling DK platformers and people act like either they're wasting their talents or there's too many. Retro has done great things for Donkey Kong lately and I'd fully welcome another great platformer. I understand if some people don't care for them but they are really good games that this industry needs more of.

 

[Solid Samus]

I fucking hope its Donkey Kong and I don't even feel bad about it

 

[DICKS AHOY]

When I see posts like this I can't help but laugh a bit. They've made two well crafted, excellent sidescrolling DK platformers and people act like either they're wasting their talents or there's too many. Retro has done great things for Donkey Kong lately and I'd fully welcome another great platformer. I understand if some people don't care for them but they are really good games that this industry needs more of.

sidescrollers aren't real games tho

 

[SalvaPot]

I fucking hope its Donkey Kong and I don't even feel bad about it

Donkey Kong Country: The Croc-King is back.

 

[OmegaDL50]

Anyone hoping for a new Metroid is probably setting themselves up for disappointment. Nintendo really has no clue what to do with the series.

Sounds to be a similar case for F-Zero as well unfortunately.

Still I've already seen happens when a developer sits on a series for so long to the point of irrelevancy (case in point with Square and the Chrono series)

It's been over 10 full years since the last console F-Zero title, the same amount of time has passed since the last 2D Metroid title (Fusion), and nearly 8 years since the last Metroid Prime release.

Initially Star Fox was among this group of nearly forgotten releases but the upcoming 2015 release will change this.

I think waiting half a decade or more for a sequel to a franchise is long enough. Even Other M was back in 2010. So it's been 5 full years. I think enough time has passed to warrant a new installment or sequel for the Metroid series.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Is it though? Part of the problem with F-Zero is Nintendo had a big push behind it (possibly) after Falcon was in Melee and popular, with the anime and several GBA games alongside GX and AX with little commercial success, just to have Mario Kart around the DS/Wii era become one of their biggest sellers. It's a genre they already have a huge franchise in and while I don't agree with this mindset, they probably see it as a hard-sell in a genre it already has an enormous competitor in on their own system.

Metroid by comparison doesn't really have that. It just had a game that tried to appeal to the Japanese market that just wound up alienating everyone instead and they haven't done anything since. It's not a big series compared to Mario/Zelda/Pokemon/DK/Kirby, but I imagine the Prime trilogy alone sold more than the F-Zero franchise has. I'm still expecting to see some proper attempt to revitalize it, while F-Zero is probably doomed to obscurity and cameos unless Nintendo cashes in on Falcon's meme-status somehow.

 

[Fbh]

I'd be fine with a new DKC, loved Tropical Freeze.

If it's a Metroid I hope they try to evolve or change the formula a bit. I really don't want to go get the misiles and boost ball and the Grapple Beam, etc again.

 

[hatchx]

Then I'm out of gaming. I cannot afford more services, I can't even afford PS+. I can get games here and there when they come but a Netflix service for games where I can barely pay monthly bills? FUCK THAT.

I suppose you don't play PS4 online.

Also, just because it's service-based doesn't mean it costs money. It could be a service where you still pay-per-game. I just suggested they make offer a netflix style monthly (and optional) service for Virtual Console.

 

[SmackAttack]

sidescrollers aren't real games tho

Silly me, how could I forget.

 

[sfried]

my expectation is that the nx is the name of the platform that gets shared across multiple devices. not hybrid hardware, but dedicated hardware with access to the same library at different settings. aside from few platform-specific games (like xenoblade 3d for new 3ds), this would mean all of the 20 or so games nintendo publishes in a year would come out for the same platform. it would mean that after mario, zelda, and metroid, they would have pokemon, kirby, and mario kart. imagine nintendo's 2011 output where they had skyward sword, return to dream land, fortune street, kirby mass attack, pokemon gen 5, oot 3d, super mario 3d land, and mario kart 7, but all on the same system. and instead of having to make a wii kirby and a ds kirby, they are able to try something new or something that hasn't been done in a while instead. i feel that's the direction they're moving in.

That would mean Nintendo would have to develop a new OS that would be cross compatible with all systems.

That begs the question though if NX games will be playable on the WiiU or 3DS or perhaps it will be a game-per-game basis (i.e. try thinking about getting Unity developed games on 3DS).

 

[NipplesAndToes23]

I hope it's a new IP. Is Retro made up of people who made the original 3 DKC games?

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I hope it's a new IP. Is Retro made up of people who made the original 3 DKC games?

No.

 

[OmegaDL50]

Is it though? Part of the problem with F-Zero is Nintendo had a big push behind it (possibly) after Falcon was in Melee and popular, with the anime and several GBA games alongside GX and AX with little commercial success, just to have Mario Kart around the DS/Wii era become one of their biggest sellers. It's a genre they already have a huge franchise in and while I don't agree with this mindset, they probably see it as a hard-sell in a genre it already has an enormous competitor in on their own system.

I really don't buy this at all really. If multiple platformer franchises can co-exist on Nintendo's console space (Mario, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, etc), I don't see why F-Zero can't exist alongside Mario Kart.

Especially since F-Zero in itself it's a completely different sort of racing game then the Mario Kart series.

Do people complain about Kirby or Donkey Kong or the Yoshi platformer titles existing because Mario as a platformer already exists. Of course not, there IS no overlap because each game has their own mechanics and gameplay systems that differentiate each other in giving their own unique identity. With that said no such overlap would exist between F-Zero and Mario Kart due to their differences either.

 

[Instro]

Anyone hoping for a new Metroid is probably setting themselves up for disappointment. Nintendo really has no clue what to do with the series.

I dunno, I thought that was the case up until E3 last year, but Takahashi and Miyamoto were pretty candid about their plans for the future of the series and it seemed like they had stuff in the works. Whether or not Retro is involved at all is another matter.

 

[Nanashrew]

I suppose you don't play PS4 online.

Also, just because it's service-based doesn't mean it costs money. It could be a service where you still pay-per-game. I just suggested they make offer a netflix style monthly (and optional) service for Virtual Console.

It's more like I can't play online and have no option if ever wanted to =/. The only service I'm subscribed to is Netflix and nothing else because I can't afford Hulu, Crunchyroll, PS+, XBLA Gold or any additional service on top of that with monthly bills. Most everything else, I buy when I can afford to. I guess an optional thing is okay as long as I can still purchase anything I want individually when I have the money to do so. Still bugs me though because I really don't like the idea of games as a service.

 

[Solid Samus]

I hope it's a new IP. Is Retro made up of people who made the original 3 DKC games?

no but it is made up almost entirely of people who made the best 2 DKC games

 

[GWX]

no but it is made up almost entirely of people who made the best 2 DKC games

Best post :lol

 

[Conrad Link]

How was Tropical Freeze not littered with OST Of The Year awards? :\

 

[SmackAttack]

How was Tropical Freeze not littered with OST Of The Year awards? :\

This one is a mystery to me. All I heard was praise for it and yet I don't think it was even nominated.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

I hope it's a new IP. Is Retro made up of people who made the original 3 DKC games?

David Wise was brought on for DKCTF while Kensuke Tanabe and Michael Kelbaugh had both worked with Rare on a supervising role during the original DKC trilogy. Other than that, nah.

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

They do have a clue.
They know that they fucked up with Other M (after defending it for a while), the IP has a new supervisor, and Miyamoto teased that they were really looking into a new 2D game and a new 3D game (where Miyamoto specifically said he preferred the Prime style of gameplay for 3D games, rather obviously as he helped define it).They're taking their time to not disappoint the fanbase.

This just isn't true. It was Shinya Takahashi who stated that both 2D and 3D Metroid were something crucial to Nintendo's plans. Not Miyamoto. Of course Miyamoto stated he liked Prime better, since he was one of the producers on it.

Sakamoto is still the IP manager of Metroid, and Tanabe the IP manager of Metroid Prime. Despite having one failed project, Sakamoto is still highly revered by Iwata, and quite frankly at a good managerial position because of Rhythm Tengoku and Tomodachi Collection.

What you will likely see is eventually a Tanabe Metroid Prime game, and a Sakamoto 2D Metroid game, where Sakamoto isn't involved in the interviews and PR, but quietly appear in the credits as senior producer or something.

 

[Solid Samus]

How was Tropical Freeze not littered with OST Of The Year awards? :\

shit sounds like a pbs family special



hohohhohohohoho

 

[Merc_]

I'm guessing it's DK or a new IP. There's no way they're going back to Metroid for awhile after how Other M sold.

 

[Neoxon]

I'm guessing it DK or a new IP. There's no way they're going back to Metroid for awhile after how Other M sold.

I'm pretty sure Nintendo's aware that it was because Other M sucked. Plus they've expressed interest in both a 2D & 3D Metroid game.

 

[The Xtortionist]

How was Tropical Freeze not littered with OST Of The Year awards? :\

It won the true OST award (GAF's) by a fucking landslide, at it should have.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

I really don't buy this at all really. If multiple platformer franchises can co-exist on Nintendo's console space (Mario, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, etc), I don't see why F-Zero can't exist alongside Mario Kart.

Especially since F-Zero in itself it's a completely different sort of racing game then the Mario Kart series.

Do people complain about Kirby or Donkey Kong or the Yoshi platformer titles existing because Mario as a platformer already exists. Of course not, there IS no overlap because each game has their own mechanics and gameplay systems that differentiate each other in giving their own unique identity. With that said no such overlap would exist between F-Zero and Mario Kart due to their differences either.

I was more going off what Miyamoto answered with when asked about F-Zero's future than how I feel. For whatever reason Nintendo obviously feels it's easier to differentiate different platforming series than racing ones.

 

[Merc_]

I'm pretty sure Nintendo's aware that it was because Other M sucked. Plus they've expressed interest in both a 2D & 3D Metroid game.

Expressing interest doesn't automatically translate into making a game. F-Zero fans have been down that hole plenty of times.

 

[hatchx]

It's more like I can't play online and have no option if ever wanted to =/. The only service I'm subscribed to is Netflix and nothing else because I can't afford Hulu, Crunchyroll, PS+, XBLA Gold or any additional service on top of that with monthly bills. Most everything else, I buy when I can afford to. I guess an optional thing is okay as long as I can still purchase anything I want individually when I have the money to do so. Still bugs me though because I really don't like the idea of games as a service.

We're getting a bit OT talking about NX speculation, but I don't think you have to worry about that from Nintendo. They aren't moving away from buying games individually.

I think a netflix-style service would be great for those who want it though. It's a good way to have access to a collection of hundreds of games, without paying thousands of dollars.

 

[Benzychenz]

If they make another platformer I wish they'd drop the shit-tier characters of the Donkey Kong series.

My biggest issue with DKCR and TF are the fact that they star fucking Donkey Kong.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

If they make another platformer I wish they'd drop the shit-tier characters of the Donkey Kong series.

My biggest issue with DKCR and TF are the fact that they star fucking Donkey Kong.

You know somethin'? YOU SUCK!

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

My biggest issue with DKCR and TF are the fact that they star fucking Donkey Kong.

 

[Dad]

If they make another platformer I wish they'd drop the shit-tier characters of the Donkey Kong series.

My biggest issue with DKCR and TF are the fact that they star fucking Donkey Kong.

Now I hope they add Kiddy Kong out of spite.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Now I hope they add Kiddy Kong out of spite.

Bluster Kong as well.

 

[Haint]

sidescrollers aren't real games tho

You know what people mean tho. Ain't nobody waiting 4 years or running buying a Wii U to play fucking Kirby RC or Yoshi WW. PB&J sandwiches are delicious, but they're not a tenderloin filet.

 

[Dad]

Bluster Kong as well.

Just imagine DK's fur rendering applied to Bluster's moustache. The future is bright.

You know what people mean tho. Ain't nobody waiting 4 years or running buying a Wii U to play fucking Kirby RC or Yoshi WW. PB&J sandwiches are delicious, but they're not a tenderloin filet.

I bought a Wii U for Tropical Freeze tho. Best PB&J I ever had.

 

[JeffZero]

You know what people mean tho. Ain't nobody waiting 4 years or running buying a Wii U to play fucking Kirby RC or Yoshi WW. PB&J sandwiches are delicious, but they're not a tenderloin filet.

I sure wouldn't, but I know people who have. Sure, they're niche, but I'm niche for waiting until Xenoblade Chronicles X, too!

 

[DICKS AHOY]

You know what people mean tho. Ain't nobody waiting 4 years or running buying a Wii U to play fucking Kirby RC or Yoshi WW. PB&J sandwiches are delicious, but they're not a tenderloin filet.

Sure, but that's more the fault of Nintendo for not having the foresight of planning the Wii U better, release schedules that meant a ton of platformers at once or even maintaining people's expectations of what Retro was working on rather than what Retro decided to make or DKCTF itself's fault. A lot of people took their understandable disappointment out on a fantastic platformer.

 

[EulaCapra]

Crossing my fingers it's a new IP. It's time for them to unleash some new main characters.

.........But I bet they're in charge of completely resurrecting another franchise. If that's the case, I'll suck all the dicks for another Eternal Darkness.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Crossing my fingers it's a new IP. It's time for them to unleash some new main characters.

.........But I bet they're in charge of completely resurrecting another franchise. If that's the case, I'll suck all the dicks for another Eternal Darkness.

I'd be down for this. Fatal Frame is cool but it doesn't have a big presence outside of Japan and if given enough attention in the right circuits would be good for giving Nintendo's portfolio of IP's more variety.

 

[Labrynian Rebel]

I think it's time for Retro to make a new IP and go crazy with ideas, they've earned it