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RUMOR: Sony developing Android 3.0 powered PSP-Go like phone. [Update: Post 472]
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i think this is a great idea..
playstation type games on a phone - that has a gamepad to it?
i think i would buy this...
the ds / 3ds is pure gaming
the iphone is more phone than game
this psphone is literally in between both the ds and iphone
i think this product would definitely have a competitive advantage..
not sure why so many haters.. i see lots of potential
playstation type games on a phone - that has a gamepad to it?
i think i would buy this...
the ds / 3ds is pure gaming
the iphone is more phone than game
this psphone is literally in between both the ds and iphone
i think this product would definitely have a competitive advantage..
not sure why so many haters.. i see lots of potential
If they don't use Android directly they at least should have a non-game app store on their next handheld.
Hell, every single console and handheld should have developer APIs for the OS and an app store. There's so much awesome shit that could be added to my PS3 and Sony could profit from it big time.
Hell, every single console and handheld should have developer APIs for the OS and an app store. There's so much awesome shit that could be added to my PS3 and Sony could profit from it big time.
Sidewinder
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I just hope this isn't PSP2, which I really doubt.
3d gaming without even one analog stick? Hell yes what an improvement, I would pay at least double the price of a PSPgo for that privilege!
Don't get me wrong, with a d-pad and buttons it will run circles around any Android Phone and iPhone regarding the pure gaming aspect, but in comparison to a 3DS or even PSP it's a huge letdown. They'd lose out their PSP core customers to Nintendo in a heartbeat.
I guess this means no real PSP2 at TGS or anytime this year ;(
3d gaming without even one analog stick? Hell yes what an improvement, I would pay at least double the price of a PSPgo for that privilege!
Don't get me wrong, with a d-pad and buttons it will run circles around any Android Phone and iPhone regarding the pure gaming aspect, but in comparison to a 3DS or even PSP it's a huge letdown. They'd lose out their PSP core customers to Nintendo in a heartbeat.
I guess this means no real PSP2 at TGS or anytime this year ;(
There's some subtleties/uncertainties/weirdness in this rumour that makes me wonder if it's accurate or if we're getting the whole story.
One noteworthy subtlety not in the OP, that I think is significant, is that Engadget says 'it looks like it will carry the Playstation branding aswell' as Xperia.
They are also very vague on the games being shown with it, which sort of muddies the water a bit on what the device actually is. The article only says that the games mentioned in the OP are 'possibly on tap', though it does say older PSX and newer PSP games are being shown with. I dunno if the latter jives with the spec? Or are they integrating PSP hardware into it in addition to the 'traditional' Android hardware?
They also seem very uncertain about their date of October, but I think it's safe to say that that's not remotely accurate anyway.
If you were to take all the info at face value though, you could form a interesting theory about what Sony's up to, though.
The 3DS and 'app/mobile phone game market' are broadly in the same market. If Nintendo is trying for PSP marketshare, they'll probably come to realise that more than they did with DS.
One noteworthy subtlety not in the OP, that I think is significant, is that Engadget says 'it looks like it will carry the Playstation branding aswell' as Xperia.
They are also very vague on the games being shown with it, which sort of muddies the water a bit on what the device actually is. The article only says that the games mentioned in the OP are 'possibly on tap', though it does say older PSX and newer PSP games are being shown with. I dunno if the latter jives with the spec? Or are they integrating PSP hardware into it in addition to the 'traditional' Android hardware?
They also seem very uncertain about their date of October, but I think it's safe to say that that's not remotely accurate anyway.
If you were to take all the info at face value though, you could form a interesting theory about what Sony's up to, though.
Mama Robotnik said:
The 3DS and 'app/mobile phone game market' are broadly in the same market. If Nintendo is trying for PSP marketshare, they'll probably come to realise that more than they did with DS.
Polk said:
it is not that big of an deal, they are fast enough and SE has updated it already several times.
Reason it takes so long to update is because Google was changing api's all the time. It is really not manufacturers fault. Apparently that will not happen anymore after 2.2.
One question that I have - is this a Sony skin over the default Android, or are they planning to extend android itself?
As a sony only offering with a custom skin over android, it isn't that compelling IMO. You need the numbers that would only come from having a gaming platofrm in the core platform.
As a sony only offering with a custom skin over android, it isn't that compelling IMO. You need the numbers that would only come from having a gaming platofrm in the core platform.
As the rumour puts it, this doesn't strike me as the playstation/android device...in terms of skins, I'd expect it to have whatever ericsson already uses. The games themselves aren't dependent on any specific skin being used.
It strikes me as a playstation/android device. In fact there may not be such a thing as the ps/android device, if you get my drift... the suggestion that Playstation/PSP might be a brand that 'plugs in' alongside an existing phone or device brand (such as Xperia) may carry interesting implications depending on how much you want to read into that.
It strikes me as a playstation/android device. In fact there may not be such a thing as the ps/android device, if you get my drift... the suggestion that Playstation/PSP might be a brand that 'plugs in' alongside an existing phone or device brand (such as Xperia) may carry interesting implications depending on how much you want to read into that.
FWIW, Sony's pushing the standard 'don't comment on rumours and speculation' line.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=259647
But that might be telling itself given that they occasionally have no problems in coming out and lol-ing at rumours.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=259647
But that might be telling itself given that they occasionally have no problems in coming out and lol-ing at rumours.
Infinite Justice
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gofreak said:
so its confirmed then? :lol
jonnybryce
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Google is slowing down; 3.0 will last for a year so updates won't be an issue. Plus if it's "the" PSphone then it would be supported for a long time.
As for the touchpad...it may not be bad. Not everyone was for the analog nub ("it's not a real analog stick, it feels like a penny on the back of a dixie cup!") but it's oddly flat feel wasn't a big deal. If there's anything iPhone taught me it's that a touchscreen is actually pretty decent at replacing an analog stick (touchpad should be better) it's just not great at replacing action buttons.
It's better to give things a chance then to hate them right away because it's different or new imo. On blogs and forums everywhere a PSP phone has been rumored and the discussion is always very positive; Apple is eating everyone's lunch with their games and it's no secret that Sony has been trying to crack into Apple's market (PSP Go + Minis). It's almost like this can't be false.
Yeah Sony would definitely have to learn from the mistake they made with the Go. Games have to be cheaper but at least it would give them a platform for Minis to take off.
As for the touchpad...it may not be bad. Not everyone was for the analog nub ("it's not a real analog stick, it feels like a penny on the back of a dixie cup!") but it's oddly flat feel wasn't a big deal. If there's anything iPhone taught me it's that a touchscreen is actually pretty decent at replacing an analog stick (touchpad should be better) it's just not great at replacing action buttons.
It's better to give things a chance then to hate them right away because it's different or new imo. On blogs and forums everywhere a PSP phone has been rumored and the discussion is always very positive; Apple is eating everyone's lunch with their games and it's no secret that Sony has been trying to crack into Apple's market (PSP Go + Minis). It's almost like this can't be false.
perfectchaos007 said:
Yeah Sony would definitely have to learn from the mistake they made with the Go. Games have to be cheaper but at least it would give them a platform for Minis to take off.
perfectchaos007
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yikes I don't see this thing doing too well if it gets released. The iPhone games sell because they are cheap. Sony sells downloadable games that are $30-$40 dollars on the PSP-Go. They didn't sell then and they won't sell well on a phone
I'll rephrase.
I don't mean skin as a literal UI element. I mean as a custom add-on only for SE. That would be a failure IMO. Too many android devices across multiple manufacturers means fragmentation.
If this was real, the only way to succeed is volume. That means somehow it would need to be a basic part of the android platform - every licensee gets it and any user of any android 3.0 phone can play PSP games.
I don't mean skin as a literal UI element. I mean as a custom add-on only for SE. That would be a failure IMO. Too many android devices across multiple manufacturers means fragmentation.
If this was real, the only way to succeed is volume. That means somehow it would need to be a basic part of the android platform - every licensee gets it and any user of any android 3.0 phone can play PSP games.
mrklaw said:
I think 'Playstation' on its own has proven it can drive volume...
But, I see what you're saying at the same time. And I do think what you're getting at would be by FAR bigger news if it were the case.
Perhaps the most significant and interesting bit of this rumour, if true, is:
We've speculated before that Sony might make ps/android hybrid devices, but I don't think anyone previously suggested it would be something that Google would specifically or explicitly embrace.
However, if Sony were to be distributing for this platform via the Android Markeplace - Google's Android Marketplace - it suggests that Google would be involved, heavily involved, and the relationship between Android and Playstation might be a lot tighter than Sony simply going off on their own to make some custom hybrid.
It also begs the question of the Playstation Store - what of it? Or is this 'new area of the Android Market' the Playstation Store in disguise, integrated with the Android Market?
I guess at the furthest reach of speculation, the most exciting scenario would be Google and Sony hammering out a new specification that would be an official, anointed - but not mandatory - part of the Android platform. One that carries the Playstation branding and, probably, one that encompasses the PSP. I pick up that suggestion in some little bits of this rumour too, and it would indeed be the far bigger news than just one Ericsson device, but it does seem a bit out there at the same time...but it would be HUGE news.
(By the by, it might explain the touchpad 'emulating' the analog stick too...if I were wanting to make a spec that would apply across different devices, I'd want to give device makers fallback options that more neatly fit with existing tech on these devices other than forcing an analog stick on them.
You could say that because it's an Xperia phone, with Playstation co-branding, that fits with this scenario too...Playstation being something that can be 'built in' to other devices and brands...)
Hmm, I wonder how much of a drain Android would be on performance of 3D games? PSP has a CPU clocked at 266 MHz (by default) and a GPU at under 200 MHz, I believe, along with 32mb of ram. Despite that, the performance of many of its games seems to run circles around anything on any Android phone (or even iPhone, for that matter).
dark10x said:
That bit doesn't fit with the hardware described in the article. I don't think a 1GHz Snapdragon could even emulate PSP games in the first place?
I think if there were in fact PSP games running on this, it suggests probably that the PSP chipset is included IMO.
Graphics Horse
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gofreak said:
I don't know the origin of the original rumours but it'd make sense this was the same product they were talking about. Might not be able to run PSP isos, but perhaps something similar compiled for that hardware? Not looking like a PSP 2 yet anyway.
Think of it like this - if this were true, it could lead to a "not completely shitty Game-API" on an actual phone.dark10x said:
Of course that says nothing for PSP compatibility (emulation is obviously out of the question, there's nothing even close to fast enough on horizon for phones, let alone in shipping products like the rumoured spec).
gofreak said:
i just hope that whoever is reporting on this rumor, saw 1ghz and automatically assumed snapdragon... because thats generally the cpu involved when talking 1ghz for the last year. i'll be a little underwhelmed to "upgrade" my current phone, and still have the same SoC i had a year ago
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produ...on-xperia™-x10-to-get-uxp-upgrade-in-q4-2010/Suzzopher said:
1.6 and upgrading later this year
Graphics Horse said:
What I'm getting at is, that it may be just one of a number of ps/android devices. Not the one and only.
The WSJ rumours pointed at that, in fact (that there was a phone and a tablet for example).
Moreover, though, PS/android could be a lot more than just one device or set of devices, it could be a more interesting development on a platform level.
As for PSP2, if they were going the kind of route suggested above, I don't think it'd be happening any time soon. PSP, hardware wise, is very competitive in a smartphone gaming kind of context, and even next to 3DS, it may not be in a totally different ballpark. I could see, for example, 3DS and PSP games sharing asset pipelines in a way PSP/DS never did, with them diverging at the renderer.
In other words, if there's still mileage to be had from the PSP hardware in an Android context and if it's still in porting range of 3DS, I'm not sure there's an urgent need on the hardware front for a PSP2.
What this makes of the Tegra/PSP2 rumours though, I'm not sure. But if they were going to push PSP out onto new plains at a platform level, I don't think they'd want to distract with a PSP2 anytime soon. And when a PSP2 did come, yes, there'd be a dedicated device, but it would likely also be a spec upgrade for this Android subplatform too.
Then again, this might just be a one-off device or small set of devices. Maybe there isn't the larger implications at a platform level wrt Android. Maybe now in its waning years Sony's happy to embed PSP out into a few other devices belonging to sister companies, to throw them a bone, while it readies a PSP2 to replace it. Maybe maybe maybe...
edit - I'm assuming above that the PSP chipset would form part of the hardware specification for this new 'gaming platform' on Android. That seems to be necessary if the thing is running PSP games, but maybe not, maybe the PSP games referenced are ports to the new platform/hardware for demo purposes...
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I need a new phone.
Would buy.
Would buy.
Tobor said:
I doubt SE is in charge...
Look here:
http://www.mobilitysite.com/2010/08/ebooks-new-android-based-sony-readers-may-be-coming/
Sony developing digital reader software for Android... seems like this is larger push within Sony.
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