[Rumour]Microsoft is apparently trying to finalize deals with 3 Studios before E3.

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I think MS has the right strategy here. We just wont see the payoff for maybe 5-10 years.

Sucker Punch was mediocre. Naughty Dog was mediocre. The only way studios evolve past mediocre is if they have a good budget, time to make good games and learn, and they don't break up after 10-15 years. It takes that long for teams to grow and learn and move past mediocre.

Sony had pretty much nothing but mediocre first party games until THIS gen. Took them 4 gens to get it right. Any studios MS acquires now have the chance to be great in a decade if they are nurtured for that long. Nintendo nurtured all their studios for even longer.
They need a person with the right attitude to nurture them too. The existing structure might not be suitable .
 

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How much of their E3 conference will they spend listing off all the B and C tier talent they've gobbled up with a logo instead of actually showing impressive or desirable games?

I can see it now: "We are thrilled to announce Asobo has joined the Microsoft Game Studios umbrella!... "
*Cue logo of studio no one has ever heard of and wait for golf claps and one sarcastic woo*

Rinse repeat for twenty minutes.
You're in for a rude awakening then.
 

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Can't say I've heard of Asobo, and looking them up online they don't seem to have done anything worth noting, so that would be a weird get.
But the other 2 are pretty good.

Don't know why reactions to this are negative. People have spent the entire gen complaining about MS exclusives, now MS is investing in new studios and that's bad too?.
I get that buying studios doesn't equal having a good library, but they have to start somewhere.
 

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I think people constantly forget that MS had so many studios before this gen that if they had a few more they would have had more than Sony and Nintendo combined back then, and that's game dev studios only.

Them rebuilding by numerically having the studios they had before isn't a bad thing at all and I don't know why people are making it seem bad. MS did his same thing Twice during its history and it resulted in great games in a short amount of time, and not all of a sudden these studios are all "c tier" despite people having fangasms about games like Alpha Protocol, and the like, but once MS gets a studio that studio that's irrelevant and the studio is now "garbage".

But regardless this thread isn't true because Relic is owned by Sega and is one of it's only revenue producers, so unless Microsoft is giving Sega enough money to off-set 7-10 years of losses err.....
 

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If the IOI one is true does that mean MS get the Hitman IP or does someone else own that?
 
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Since, when did we start trusting 4chan leaks ? Few days ago someone leaked Destiny 3 stuffs in 4chan, until AnonTheNine called it bullshit and gave us the real Destiny 3 leaks.
IOI and Relic were already leaked, but Asobo is a support studio for Xbox, not a real game studio. They outsource stuffs to Asobo and Sumo Digital, there's no value in acquiring them(since now they have to pay more to a support studio).
 

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I think people constantly forget that MS had so many studios before this gen that if they had a few more they would have had more than Sony and Nintendo combined back then, and that's game dev studios only.

Them rebuilding by numerically having the studios they had before isn't a bad thing at all and I don't know why people are making it seem bad. MS did his same thing Twice during its history and it resulted in great games in a short amount of time, and not all of a sudden these studios are all "c tier" despite people having fangasms about games like Alpha Protocol, and the like, but once MS gets a studio that studio that's irrelevant and the studio is now "garbage".

But regardless this thread isn't true because Relic is owned by Sega and is one of it's only revenue producers, so unless Microsoft is giving Sega enough money to off-set 7-10 years of losses err.....
Where did you read about the Japanese studio they want to buy?
 
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Since, when did we start trusting 4chan leaks ? Few days ago someone leaked Destiny 3 stuffs in 4chan, until AnonTheNine called it bullshit and gave us the real Destiny 3 leaks.
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Because some 4Chan leaks have turned out to be true in the past?
Anyone can post anything on 4Chan so of course you have to take everything coming out of that site with a giant grain of salt. But over the years they have had enough legit leaks to make this at least worth discussing
 

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You're in for a rude awakening then.
I am? From what? Not sure what you're insinuating.

I wasn't putting down whatever plans MS has to show beyond their studio acquisitions I was just making light of the fact it seems they are spending so much effort to acquire _# studios to get a public pat on the back again at E3. Especially when a number of them are small or meh gets.

It worked last year because everyone needed reassurance MS would double down on first party but I feel we are beyond that now and they shouldn't waste our time at a conference where they should be showing results.

Which, again, they very well may be but no need to cash blanks checks to fulfill some unnecessary bullet point by an arbitrary deadline.
 
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Not really, the only reason Sony has this perceived larger release subset is because of the Japanese market, and even then the reality is most are B and C level obscure titles. These look good on a spreasheet but to most people they don't matter all that much and sales volumes show this. Then we come to the enhanced consoles, the Xbox One X with an entire year lead time and lesser Japanese support has managed to surpass Sony's Pro support so for a 4K television user it has more available options.

Not all of this stuff is so black and white.
It's just an objective way I see the whole situation. Xbox shrank a lot worldwide when PS only grew bigger once again. It's false to say all the marketing from MS is affecting the market today, or worse, the future, Sales say otherwise, that's my point.

For the bold, I don't get it. Pro is getting the same support X has. Of course, X is way better machine, so It will have better versions of multis, but that only counts when the games are coming to X. And even when the games come at the same time, ps4 versions continue to have a big gap in sales.

I agree with you it is not a black and white kind of situation but right now there is zero change in the status quo even with all the effort MS did from 2013 till today. Some people believe MS is gaining the upper hand without anything concrete to sustain their opinion, just MS marketing.
 

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I want a new phrase as meaningless as console launch exclusive, and a studio without a single actual programmer, but 100 female mentors taking turns in running workshops on self empowerment and vegan pilates.
So something like "Partially first on Xbox/PlayStation"?
 

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It's just an objective way I see the whole situation. Xbox shrank a lot worldwide when PS only grew bigger once again. It's false to say all the marketing from MS is affecting the market today, or worse, the future, Sales say otherwise, that's my point.

For the bold, I don't get it. Pro is getting the same support X has. Of course, X is way better machine, so It will have better versions of multis, but that only counts when the games are coming to X. And even when the games come at the same time, ps4 versions continue to have a big gap in sales.

I agree with you it is not a black and white kind of situation but right now there is zero change in the status quo even with all the effort MS did from 2013 till today. Some people believe MS is gaining the upper hand without anything concrete to sustain their opinion, just MS marketing.
The Pro has 390 documented enhanced titles, Xbox One X has 433.
 

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The Pro has 390 documented enhanced titles, Xbox One X has 433.
how many of that 433 are from last gen, I mean are coming from retro? Not asking in a pejorative way, retro is a great feature ps4 can't have. But it's also why the list for X is bigger than Pro.
 
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how many of that 433 are from last gen, I mean are coming from retro? Not asking in a pejorative way, retro is a great feature ps4 can't have. But it's also why the list for X is bigger than Pro.
56 which still puts it at 377, which is only 13 behind the Pro in terms of 8th generation games with an entire year less in circulation, but nonetheless it still has 56 additional titles which take advantage of the system and a 4K television which is the entire point.
 

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They don’t understand the console market. At all.
No one outside Sony solely cares about the Console market. Sony can lead the traditional console market all it wants, but like Valve, Blockbuster, if they don't adapt then they become irrelevant. Note that Xbox Platform isn't bound to the plastic box, the direct opposite of Sony.

The only reason why Sony isn't focusing on Game Streaming is that they know they have the most to lose in a platform agnostic market.
 
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56 which still puts it at 377, which is only 13 behind the Pro in terms of 8th generation games with an entire year less in circulation, but nonetheless it still has 56 additional titles which take advantage of the system and a 4K television which is the entire point.
You were the one that said not every stuff is black and white but you're forcing it right now. I don't get it. But if your numbers are right, X has quantity based on old games, Pro has few enhanced but are based on new games. Once again, props for MS to go all out for X and killing S in the process. It was not something Sony could do with PS4 and Pro.

Nowadays, any multis come with support for both. And like you told before the big difference is the japanese developers not launching several of their games on MS platform. It's useless to have a better hardware if you don't get the game to play.
 

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I think one of Microsoft’s goals is to grow streaming and game pass together. To do that they are going to need a steady supply of new exclusive games coming every month or two. AAA games with that kind of regularity is out of the question, but they can do it with a mix of AA and AAA. So on that basis, buying many smaller studios does make sense.

They could do with a bigger one which people know of though to make gamers get excited at E3.
 

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You were the one that said not every stuff is black and white but you're forcing it right now. I don't get it. But if your numbers are right, X has quantity based on old games, Pro has few enhanced but are based on new games. Once again, props for MS to go all out for X and killing S in the process. It was not something Sony could do with PS4 and Pro.

Nowadays, any multis come with support for both. And like you told before the big difference is the japanese developers not launching several of their games on MS platform. It's useless to have a better hardware if you don't get the game to play.
I don't think you understand this.

Sony has gotten 390 supported games in 886 days, that's .44 games a day or a game basically every 2.28 days. Microsoft has gotten 377 games in 524 days, that's .72 games a day or a game every 1.39 days so Microsoft is averaging an entire game more enhanced every 2.5 day period. If you count the enhanced Backward Compatibility titles that's a game every 1.21 days.

They only have a 13 game 8th generation disparity with a 362 day market disparity.. With BC they have a 43 game surplus with a 362 day market disparity. I don't think there's any two ways about it, even with Sony's Japanese offerings Microsoft is getting support at a dramatically higher frequency for the X than the Pro is.

P.S. BC games are still games, they're titles you can buy and them being enhanced is basically the equivalent of what a remaster is in a lot of cases these days so them not counting is kind of a scapegoat in my opinion.
 
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If Asobo means Recore 2, then I am in.
IOI is also a great studio, both recent Hitman games are great games.
I don't know about Relic.

MS still needs one or two Japanese studios if you ask me.
 

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IO is famous for Hitman series. Liked by most people. Entertaining games.

Relic is famous for Company of Heroes. Well regarded WWII RTS and has been popular.

Don’t know anything about Asobo looks like shovelware games.
 

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Acquiring studios is one thing but making good games people want to buy is another.
these are proven studios. they will make good games. never owned an xbox so am not fanboying. but phil seems like great leadership. hes actually doing things.
 
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If true IO Interactive would be great. MS gets an iconic character and Hitman will get a strong budget and marketing it needs.
 

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They don’t understand the console market. At all.
who doesn't? doesn't seem like Sony does anymore. regardless of them wanting to buy studios or not. a very lage number of studios will probably put out games for every console not named a playstation.
microsoft already has more studios than Sony. its 13 to 12 right now. and after this the difference would be huge. objectively if these studios put out good games we can't say that Sony is the best at SP games. because they wouldn't be.

literally every sony game looks like naughty dog game.uncharted the axe man and his son. uncharted, biker zombie gank. uncharted, guy and girl with zombies. uncharted. ancient japan.

congrats sony. you find your own ubisoft template.


this video is the best video ever. its my soul animal.
 
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who doesn't? doesn't seem like Sony does anymore. regardless of them wanting to buy studios or not. a very lage number of studios will probably put out games for every console not named a playstation.
microsoft already has more studios than Sony. its 13 to 12 right now. and after this the difference would be huge. objectively if these studios put out good games we can't say that Sony is the best at SP games. because they wouldn't be.

literally every sony game looks like naughty dog game.uncharted the axe man and his son. uncharted, biker zombie gank. uncharted, guy and girl with zombies. uncharted. ancient japan.

congrats sony. you find your own ubisoft template.


this video is the best video ever. its my soul animal.
Sony's game template has become extremely uninspired and same'ish, and while they sell great it's nonetheless uninspired. Sony has excellent quality games but the formula is and has been wearing thin. Microsoft may be outputting what some consider mediocre games but their template is all over the map and much more like gaming from the past in terms of risk taking. The best way I can describe some of their games are the old and now absent AA market. You know the Midway's, Acclaim's, Crave Entertainment's, Iguana Entertainment's etc, that's the vibe I derive from Microsoft's stable.
 
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I wish Microsoft would buy torus games. I’ve really liked their games for young kids. I hope asobos can do the same. I have played a few of their games with my son. I think everyone is excited for hitman but what Microsoft needs is games for younger gamers with gamepass to keep them playing for years to come.
 

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I'll even go a step further and say this could end up being mostly universally positive for gamers everywhere. If MS continues to build up mid-tier studios like this that are close to closing, enhances them and gives them a budget to create greater things then they would otherwise, then it's a win for everyone. IOI and Obsidian are close to death at this point and are barely hanging on. So it's not even clear Sony gamers would be losing out on Obisidian games since they are barely even able to make large scale games in their current state.

If Xbox keeps this up, and offers a cheaper alternative option for purchase that focuses on Game Pass, streaming or some kind of installation / streaming combo, then it could actually be a viable third option for people that already support Nintendo and Sony.

It just has to be cheap and get people in the ecosystem at a low cost.
 

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What a BS rumour. 'Trying' to sign studios just so they can say at E3 they got more studios?

MS have still not learnt that just buying studios doesnt lead to success.

I'm not sure I understand... When Sony entered the Market against Sega and Nintendo, what exactly did they do? they had little to zero talent, but they got the backing of 3rd party studios and over time they purchased everything they have today, unless I'm missing something, then please explain.
 
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What a joke, money doesn't solve all issues and if they can't make a partnership with Platinum work and constantly have issues with game development , then it is a corporate culture problem.
There hasn't been 1 decent game produced by Xbox this gen outside Cuphead, Ori and Forza. There is no track record and they don't have Epic and Bungie to lean on anymore. Just a bunch of discount studios. I'll beieve them when I see something noteworthy.
But this is indeed the problem. You're thinking of the here and now. Microsoft have acquired six studios with a further three on the way. Microsoft offer them all a blank cheque book and tell them to start working on their dream games. They throw millions into marketing and give them reasonable time and you never know what you'll end up with.

Don't forget also that many studios that Microsoft are acquiring were multi platform that means less games on competitors platforms. They own all the IP from the studio they acquire so they'll own Hitman.

I think people are seriously underestimating what Phil Spencer and Microsoft can achieve with the full backing of Microsoft.
 

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I'm not sure I understand... When Sony entered the Market against Sega and Nintendo, what exactly did they do? they had little to zero talent, but they got the backing of 3rd party studios and over time they purchased everything they have today, unless I'm missing something, then please explain.
just a fanboy. move along.
buying studios is the correct thing to do.
 

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Sony's game template has become extremely uninspired and same'ish, and while they sell great it's nonetheless uninspired. Sony has excellent quality games but the formula is and has been wearing thin. Microsoft may be outputting what some consider mediocre games but their template is all over the map and much more like gaming from the past in terms of risk taking. The best way I can describe some of their games are the old and now absent AA market. You know the Midway's, Acclaim's, Crave Entertainment's, Iguana Entertainment's etc, that's the vibe I derive from Microsoft's stable.
I am interested to know more about this. From what I see all 3 console makers have certain templates which they stick to as their core fan base likes those the most. Can you list some of those other variety of games that you are saying that MS is making?
 

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This is silly though, as Relic make PC games wholly unsuited to Xbox consoles. Same with Obsidian. Both make awesome PC games, so what bonus they bring to console landscape is hard to define right now.
1. Xbox hardware officially supports mouse and keyboard.
2. Xbox platform is also on PC via Microsoft Store.
 

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No one outside Sony solely cares about the Console market. Sony can lead the traditional console market all it wants, but like Valve, Blockbuster, if they don't adapt then they become irrelevant. Note that Xbox Platform isn't bound to the plastic box, the direct opposite of Sony.

The only reason why Sony isn't focusing on Game Streaming is that they know they have the most to lose in a platform agnostic market.
The only reason Sony isn't focusing on streaming is because what they are doing works. All the shit talking about Sony is white noise because they're gonna end up selling 100 - 115 million PS4's. Bill Gates would blow Marilyn Manson if it meant he could get those kinds of sales from the Xbox division.
 
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I think people constantly forget that MS had so many studios before this gen that if they had a few more they would have had more than Sony and Nintendo combined back then, and that's game dev studios only.

Them rebuilding by numerically having the studios they had before isn't a bad thing at all and I don't know why people are making it seem bad. MS did his same thing Twice during its history and it resulted in great games in a short amount of time, and not all of a sudden these studios are all "c tier" despite people having fangasms about games like Alpha Protocol, and the like, but once MS gets a studio that studio that's irrelevant and the studio is now "garbage".

But regardless this thread isn't true because Relic is owned by Sega and is one of it's only revenue producers, so unless Microsoft is giving Sega enough money to off-set 7-10 years of losses err.....
Well I have thought that Microsoft should buy all of Sega and leverage the brand in Japan. Call the next Xbox the Sega Dreambox , call Xcloud Dream-mobile, and bring all previous Sega IPs from Genesis to Dreamcast onto Gamepass.
 

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who doesn't? doesn't seem like Sony does anymore. regardless of them wanting to buy studios or not. a very lage number of studios will probably put out games for every console not named a playstation.
microsoft already has more studios than Sony. its 13 to 12 right now. and after this the difference would be huge. objectively if these studios put out good games we can't say that Sony is the best at SP games. because they wouldn't be.

literally every sony game looks like naughty dog game.uncharted the axe man and his son. uncharted, biker zombie gank. uncharted, guy and girl with zombies. uncharted. ancient japan.

congrats sony. you find your own ubisoft template.


this video is the best video ever. its my soul animal.
Dude, you've openly professed to hating not just Sony's output this generation, but most of it from everyone. I'm not trying to throw needless shade here, but that's fringe thinking to put it kindly. You hating Sony's games along with everyone else's output says more about you than the market at large man. I mean, is the market perfect? Hell no, but to think it's not had some fucking amazing output this generation is pretty out there.

As for MS, they really doesn't know what ails them. They're focusing on flailing strategies like releasing a discless version of a console that is already struggling. Microsoft can buy up everything they want, but the bottom line is that Microsoft would kill to have Sony's lineup, and to be selling a hundred million consoles. If they were, you could bet all this streaming flatulence wouldn't even exist. They're throwing that out there because nothing else has worked, and they don't have anything else to throw. But that's more a reflection on Microsoft's complete misunderstanding of the market than it is anything else.
 
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why not build up and support the current ones instead of relying on their wallet to go out and get games.....

on one hand its smart business but on the other its pure lazy
 
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I also remember somewhere in an interview, like Moon Studios Asobo said they want to be independent. They even have a deal with Focus Home Interactive right now.
 

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No one outside Sony solely cares about the Console market. Sony can lead the traditional console market all it wants, but like Valve, Blockbuster, if they don't adapt then they become irrelevant. Note that Xbox Platform isn't bound to the plastic box, the direct opposite of Sony.

The only reason why Sony isn't focusing on Game Streaming is that they know they have the most to lose in a platform agnostic market.
Do you guys really believe what you’re saying? Like, do you live in a cave to not know that Sony has a streaming service.
 

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Why....

Why are people calling Relic and Io Interactive mediocre, two studios that have produced influential, high quality game series?

Hitman, Company of Heroes, Homeworld, Dawn of War

I mean, you can make the argument that they are not up there anymore, but wtf? Both of these studios engraved their names in gaming history one time or the other.
 
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Why....

Why are people calling Relic and Io Interactive mediocre, two studios that have produced influential, high quality game series?

Hitman, Company of Heroes, Homeworld, Dawn of War

I mean, you can make the argument that they are not up there anymore, but wtf? Both of these studios engraved their names in gaming history one time or the other.
Because MS is potentially gonna buy em’.
 
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Phil Spencer's stench of desperation intensifies

Acquiring studios is one thing but making good games people want to buy is another.
THIS. Gamers tend to forget that Sony's first party studios started out making okay games and years later, they ended up making some of the most acclaimed games of their respective generations.
 
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Game pass just keeps getting better and better. Amazing value with the amount of exclusives coming.
 

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Phil Spencer's stench of desperation intensifies


THIS. Gamers tend to forget that Sony's first party studios started out making okay games and years later, they ended up making some of the most acclaimed games of their respective generations.
It literally took 3 gens for Sony to get this big recognition from the public. In 2013, Sony had a stellar year with TLoU, God of War Ascension, GT6, Puppeteer, Beyond Two Souls, Killzone Shadow Fall, Rain.

Since 2015, Sony WWS is on a roll with Goty and Gotys contenders every single year. From Bloodborne (2015) to Uncharted 4 (2016), then Horizon (2017). GoW and Spider made 2018. This year TLoU 2 will probably be the bigger one from them. 2020 and beyond are also in the pocket with their next games. This isn't an uninspired formula, this is just something MS dreams to achieve with all their acquisitions. Maybe one of them will bring a game as good as a Sony Worldwide Studio production.

This reputation grows with results not with empty promises. That's what Xbox fans don't understand. No uninspired formulas would take them this far and bad games are just bad games in the end. That's why MS suffered so much.