1 TB SSHD, RAM 16-24 GB max, lower clock leading closer to 12 TFLOPS single precision FP... $399-499... possibly $399.
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Rumour: PS5 Devkits have released (UPDATE 25th April : 7nm chips moving to mass production)
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1 TB SSHD, RAM 16-24 GB max, lower clock leading closer to 12 TFLOPS single precision FP... $399-499... possibly $399.
LuvOfThaGame
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If they are implying this year, absolutely will not happen. Holiday 2019 would be best hopes and wishes. 2020 would be the most realistic release for such a console. Will greatly struggle at that price, though, regardless of specs.
AnimalFather
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sounds too dreamy to be true. maybe with 2020 release date though.
LuvOfThaGame
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
And that doesn't even speak about the cost of the console. I agree with you.
Lionel Richie
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Well that's good. It gets really hard to build a sustainable business when the average cycle for a game development is around the same for a new console to come out. You don't get to reuse engine and assets on a sequel, but rather DLC and "games as services". I really hope Sony punts away a new console until 4k is more widely adopted.
bitbydeath
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Did they remove the price from the article? Or was it within a link? Did it also mention a date?
I’m going with fake overall though.
AnimalFather
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11tflops is gonna cut it in 2020? im still leaning towards early 2019 perhaps.
mckmas8808
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Only if it has something like 24 GBs of RAM and a wide bus.
TLZ
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$599 isn't happening at all, unless it's a day 1 pro version.
Ar¢tos
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I don't think either Sony or MS are going to switch from AMD to Nvidia... Who would provide the CPU if they switched? Getting AMD to work with Nvidia on an APU is something I don't believe will ever happen. What would be the advantage anyway from a console perspective?
Also, didn't Nvidia screw MS with something on the original xbox? I heard some stories, but I don't know what really happened.
Also, didn't Nvidia screw MS with something on the original xbox? I heard some stories, but I don't know what really happened.
AnimalFather
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they also screwed over sony with the RSX.
Insane Metal
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Yup. That's reasonable and about what I heard as well.
rokkerkory
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thank goodness 2019+ please
Insane Metal
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Reveal will be no early than late 2019 IMO
Codes 208
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I think it sounds unrealistic. 32gb of ram is unneccesarily overkill, and i doubt sony nor ms will swap a hdd for the significantly more expensive ssd. Especially for a base model.
THE:MILKMAN
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Reveal will be no early than late 2019 IMO
So you thinking late 2020 for launch then? I find it surprising any devkits are out at all in this case and certainly not in third-party hands. They never get them this early.
Insane Metal
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Yes.
But from what I heard there aren't "loads" of devkits going out, actually VERY few. And as Kotaku pointed out, they're absolutely not an actual console unit, the hardware is not even finalised yet. It's basically a PC with specs close to what is expected from the console, but that will pretty much change overtime.
Not buying it.
This was the devkit release schedule for the ps4 which was an architectural departure from the ps3 . Sending out devkits if the ps5 was more than 2 years away would be completely pointless. Initial dev kits would be between 18 months to 2 years before launch and given the possibility of keeping the same architecture it could b shorter but definitely not 2018.
http://vgleaks.com/orbis-devkits-roadmaptypes/
Given Sony’s release pattern this is almost definitely a 2019 release date and the above article sounds like click bait
Exactly, dev kits wouldn’t go out three years before a consoles launch because they would be worthless.
THE:MILKMAN
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Well like I and others have said it makes no sense for anyone but PS5 OS writers and the likes of ICE team making game libraries this far out (more than 2.5 years!). Even Matt said devkits don't go out this early. He's gone very quiet over at the other place, though.
For me you can't have your cake and eat it too! If devkits (even early PC-based ones) are out then a late 2019 launch makes the most sense especially with PS5 being newer semi-custom PC tech.
Also I really do think if GG are doing a Horizon sequel, and most thinks this for sure, then finishing the game in late 2019 or early 2020 makes perfect sense as the first game was made in 3 years (the other few years of dev was a few people concepting/designing while Shadow Fall was made) if you watch the GDC presentation.
luca_29_bg
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Thanks God, 2020 is a perfect timeline for a release. Especially late 2020.
LittleAngryDog
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End of 2020 means more GPU power! So I hope you are correct!
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luca_29_bg
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magnumpy
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well, like I said I don't have any secret information or anything. just speculating. and if it actually is coming in two years, or two years+ who knows how things will look
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Leocarian
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TLZ
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Thanks for making me dance.
Essentially, as we were saying before the 32 GB of RAM and 1 TB SSD are not console retail specs, but the usually more powerful dev kits. Although they will need to be careful about allowing the devout to accurately emulate final HW as SSD have a lot higher throughout (and ability to load scattered data faster) than normal HDD.
bitbydeath
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I can believe the CPU and GPU, but the RAM is probably overkill, and I doubt we’d get a 1TB SSD.
OS stored separately on flash would be all that’s really required.
Edit: Just read Sizzle’s post above, would explain it, if it were true.
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Gradly
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I don't think those 1TB SSD and 32GB of RAM specs are even possible on a Pro model, let a lone a standard model
On next-gen topic, I'm still confident that 3 years is enough to cycle between releasing standard and Pro model going forward, full backward compatibility, PSX is a spec bump with some added bells and whistles (to justify a next-gen jump), PSX Pro for even more spec bumps, 3 years apart, rinse, repeat
On next-gen topic, I'm still confident that 3 years is enough to cycle between releasing standard and Pro model going forward, full backward compatibility, PSX is a spec bump with some added bells and whistles (to justify a next-gen jump), PSX Pro for even more spec bumps, 3 years apart, rinse, repeat
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rokkerkory
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14TF? Nahhh not needed
bitbydeath
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Probably required to get a decent VR resolution.
sadaiyappan
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I don't think they will release a pro model for next gen. This gen it was needed because of xbox one x and because of 4k jump.
AnimalFather
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such a bad fake
llien
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A kind reminder on why Microsoft will avoid having business with nVidia (among other reasons):
Microsoft takes Nvidia to arbitration over pricing of Xbox processors
when node shrink happened, Microsoft wanted cheaper chips, nVidia wanted to keep it to themselves.
Microsoft takes Nvidia to arbitration over pricing of Xbox processors
when node shrink happened, Microsoft wanted cheaper chips, nVidia wanted to keep it to themselves.
That’s true, I’m still leaning to SSHD so that should at least give some similar performance for cache. We really have no idea how Sony would decide to use a SSHD. The extra RAM could be for debugging tools.
Ar¢tos
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Those must be "special" devkits sent to Square Enix only. Since they already released a Final Fantasy this gen, the next will be ready just in time for the Ps6 release (+/- 10 years). So Sony skips Ps5 devkits and starts sending them pre-pre-alpha Ps6 ones.
If the final product has 16-20gb ram, 32 gb ram just for debugging tools would be an overkill, unless they want 32gb ram for the higher bandwith and not so much because games will need it.
The ps4 kits had 4GB extra RAM back when the system was only supposed to have 4.
Kagero
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I agree
AnimalFather
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it would be cool if the consoles had 32GB of HBM3 RAM @ 2TB/s now this is nexgen =) but it wont happen. probably just get 16GB of GDDR5.
Kleegamefan
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well, like I said I don't have any secret information or anything. just speculating. and if it actually is coming in two years, or two years+ who knows how things will look
Since the next PlayStation will be THE baseline for future console development (since it should appeal to the widest demographics of fans all over the world) it should have the most support and the widest variety of games (again)
I am sure you will find a whole bunch of cool stuff to make you happy. And I bet the graphics from the first party Titans will be plenty impressive.
THE:MILKMAN
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For me Sony will go for a 256 bit bus bringing with it the ability to cost reduce and bring out a slim. A 384 bit bus limits/kills this possibility. And it would cost more/be harder to shrink?
16GB if 2019
32GB if 2020 if they want to repeat PS4's 8GB RAM moment.
rokkerkory
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32GB makes sense for a dev unit, not retail... let's be realistic guys.
Codes 208
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32gb of RAM is still absolutely overkill. 24gb is even overkill. 16gb is currently the most you'd ever really need for proper 4k gaming and thats on a PC that needs the extra RAM for multitasking. The XB1X currently uses 12gb (less than that technically since several GB's are saved for the UI) and can play up to 4k/60fps (And the games that arent, the RAM isnt the bottleneck, the GPU and Jaguar setup are the bottleneck)
So why does the PS5 need 32gb of RAM? Why does it need SSD? These just come off as unrealistic options that would only inflate the price when they could just aim for an upgradeable HDD slot with a built in 2-4tb of memory and 16gb of RAM
So why does the PS5 need 32gb of RAM? Why does it need SSD? These just come off as unrealistic options that would only inflate the price when they could just aim for an upgradeable HDD slot with a built in 2-4tb of memory and 16gb of RAM
Bogroll
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I also heard that MS dropped AMD (Original Xbox )and went with Nvidia at the last minute and AMD knew nothing about it until the official reveal, the one when Bill Gates was on stage.
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Shin
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Here's a good site about RAM prices for the last couple of years/decades, it seems to go up/down a lot.
So whatever is happening at the moment doesn't necessarly reflects what it will be by 2020-ish.
https://jcmit.net/memoryprice.htm
I could see Sony going for 24GB of GDDR6 with a 18/6 split, that still runs it on a 384-bit bus.
CPU is predictable at 3.0GHz and 3.2GHz being the max if it's a 8/16 setup (Zen2 with some feats from Zen3).
Navi GPU with maybe some feats from the GPU that comes after that, but this I doubt case for me due to AMD's GPU side of the business as a whole.
The 7nm process will be mature by then and the rest is already available so they are good there, Sony will get a nice push in terms of bandwidth if they go with Samsung again.
Both companies know what lies ahead, I think it comes down to who is going to pull the trigger first and strangely enough I think MS might be the one.
EDIT: the slide sites are claiming to be true is from Twitter, it's the same one that Sony? used for PS4 "Neo" / Pro just edited to make believe.
So whatever is happening at the moment doesn't necessarly reflects what it will be by 2020-ish.
https://jcmit.net/memoryprice.htm
I could see Sony going for 24GB of GDDR6 with a 18/6 split, that still runs it on a 384-bit bus.
CPU is predictable at 3.0GHz and 3.2GHz being the max if it's a 8/16 setup (Zen2 with some feats from Zen3).
Navi GPU with maybe some feats from the GPU that comes after that, but this I doubt case for me due to AMD's GPU side of the business as a whole.
The 7nm process will be mature by then and the rest is already available so they are good there, Sony will get a nice push in terms of bandwidth if they go with Samsung again.
Both companies know what lies ahead, I think it comes down to who is going to pull the trigger first and strangely enough I think MS might be the one.
EDIT: the slide sites are claiming to be true is from Twitter, it's the same one that Sony? used for PS4 "Neo" / Pro just edited to make believe.
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THE:MILKMAN
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Like I say in my post above I can't see Sony doing 24GB/384 bit bus and be stuck on 12 chips the whole generation. I don't know if it is technical reasons or choice but Microsoft don't seem to mind so much as they stuck with 16 chips in One S
and I assume will stick with 12 chips in One X. As for the fake docs going round all I can say is I still have the NEO docs and it seems whoever has created the 'EPSILON' leak has just used that as a template. A shame they couldn't spell (in English at least).
Shin
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What are you talking about?
The way that reads is like you're under the impression that "being stuck" with 12 chips (2GB each) is a bad thing when it's rather good.
12x 1.35v = 16.2v, PS4 is at 8x1.50v = 12v, very small increase in power draw for 3x the amount of memory and it might be higher because initially PS4 was supplied with 512MB chips (x16 = 8GB).
It's partially a technical reason as console manufacturer's depend on 3rd parties for memory chips, but beside that the capacity of said chips and the price per chip.
Balancing out power draw, price and space on the PCB, heat, etc etc all comes into play but that's with pretty much any large component and stuff R*D goes into.
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