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[Sephiroth_VII]

Mind if I get one or two examples? Google doesn't exactly give me the results I hoped for...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/search.php?searchid=7907605
cboat leaking 360 details:

#1
Xenon facts from the big hi roller game meets last week

-- ALL TITLES must be live aware
-- movie playback? WM9-based
-- built in mp3/wma player
-- 7gigbyte dvd with dual layers
-- xbox 2 hd is gonna be optional {uh oh}

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Just wait it out. There's still a few weeks before these consoles come out and we actually see for ourselves what they're good and what they're bad at, when the inevitable leaks come. No point making sudden decisions right now.

Yeah. I probably won't cancel it today. I will a few days before PS4 launch if nothing changes, though.

 

[ChiliManiac]

I think it's very possible. Most developers might just think it's easier to run at 720p on Xbone and use the same assets. With time and effort it should be able to manage 900p to the PS4's 1080p but the easy (read: cheap) option will probably seem very appealing to many developers.

part of the problem I would imagine is that they feel they don't need to make a game 1080p and have the xbox to the up scaling for them. All speculation, but why waste money on developing something 1080p when the box can just upscale?

 

[antitrop]

That Killzone GIF eats Call of Duty for breakfast.

 

[shandy706]

Wow you read my mind.

I love the xbox but I'm not putting up with sub hd for 6 years.

Ugh I'm gonna miss halo and gears

Technically, 720p is HD.

If you mean sub-1080p....well..

It's probably best you just build a gaming PC. The PS4 isn't going to push every game at 1080p either.

 

[TheApatheticOne]

Out of curiousity, as I haven't been able to keep up with this as much as usual, has there been any word on the PS4 front if games such as COD will use dedicated servers like the XBO versions? I really want to move my copy over to the PS4 version, but that's a big thing for me personally.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Here's the thing about the less powerful consoles usually winning the console wars: they're also usually cheaper because of the less powerful architecture. It is the opposite right now.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

So, does anyone have an idea of when 3rd parties will confirm resolutions? DICE told me on twitter to "stay tuned".

 

[sixteen-bit]

It does run at 1080p with 60fps at that.

But of course it's not next-gen.

Ridge Racer 7 was 1080p 60fps at PS3 launch. People are more concerned with quality of assets than performance and image quality.

 

[Cragvis]

 

[Uno Venova]

Wow I'm really shocked at people I had pegged as die hards switching or canceling over this. Also holy shit at that tradeoff post.

 

[Disco Batman]

Out of curiousity, as I haven't been able to keep up with this as much as usual, has there been any word on the PS4 front if games such as COD will use dedicated servers like the XBO versions? I really want to move my copy over to the PS4 version, but that's a big thing for me personally.

All versions have dedicated servers. MS doesn't want you knowing that though.

 

[twobear]

They can still save themselves with pricing, it'll take kinectless bundles for $299 or $350. This probably won't happen, or won't happen for a long time though.

If they were serious about saving Xbone they'd have already announced a Kinect-less bundle. This generation is going to be a bloodbath, and I feel sorry for anyone spending $500 on Xbone at launch because it's going to be a wasteland in a few years time.

 

[Orayn]

Out of curiousity, as I haven't been able to keep up with this as much as usual, has there been any word on the PS4 front if games such as COD will use dedicated servers like the XBO versions? I really want to move my copy over to the PS4 version, but that's a big thing for me personally.

CoD Ghosts does have dedicated servers on PS4, but MS moneyhatted any mention of this fact.

 

[FeiRR]

The problem with folks around here is that you guys think everyone is like you. If everyone was like you, Wii would not have sold 100 mil+ and dominated the 1st half of last generation.

If everyone was like you, Wii's 480i/p res would have mattered... the PC would be the lead and dominant platform for every single 3rd party game, including EA's sports titles... Call of Duty would not be the #1 seller... Just Dance, Skylanders, Mario Kart, 3DS, etc. would not have dominated the charts.

Some multiplatform games will be 720p/720p on xb1/ps4, some will be 720p/900p, some 720p/1080p, 900p/1080p, and a bunch 1080p/1080p. Will it matter? To the hardcore, sure. To the soccer moms, to the kiddies, to the dude bros... not a chance.

It's not a question of power or specs or fanboy wetdream wars. It's a function of simply how many resources Microsoft is willing to invest to get to 30%, 40%, 50% or whatever market share their ultimate goal is. My bet is they are going to be willing to spend whatever it takes to be the market leader in this segment because the stakes are higher than ever and the value of the piece of pie they are after will potentially return more than ever before (because now we're talking *real* revenue from services on top of games... we're talking a digital pie that includes the itunes, the hulus, the netflix's, the digital games and apps downloads, etc., and more things in the future like ipTV, phone/skype dominance, etc.).

They will money hat as many exclusives as necessary... they will open as many studios as necessary.. .they will bundle and price drop as much as necessary... they will break as many fanboy hearts as necessary to beat Sony and, by relation, you the Sony holdout dreamer. Your salty tears and hate will simply fuel their fire. You will try to vote with your wallets and your voice, but your wallets/voice will get trampled by the XB1 gravy train laden with the soccer mom's and dudebro's hooing and hawing their way to a connected, metro-interfaced future.

You will lose. In fact, you have already lost.

 

[R_thanatos]

You didn't even view the full-resolution image. The texture is horrible, but it doesn't mean the rendering resolution is sub-720. There is no correlation to texture resolution and rendering resolution.

Here is the 1080p image:

i know this is multiplayer and everything but the textures ( especially on the left side of teh picture ) look very bad IMO.

 

[Crimson_Fate]

it's not powerful enough to game at 4k. Get a very good pc if you want that.

Sure it is. The XB1 4K Tennis game will look something like this . Good news is that it will be at 60fps.

 

[BlooCat]

Here's the thing about the less powerful consoles usually winning the console wars: they're also usually cheaper because of the less powerful architecture. It is the opposite right now.

There's stuff like splurging on R&D for stuff that everyone hates and marketing to consider as well as trying to be an American technology company in 2013

 

[SneakyStephan]

I know, esp when 4k becomes cheaper and the standard it's already confirmed that the PS4 will out put to 4k. I think they put to much reliance on the cloud and now were getting shafted for it. The fact that they haven't come up with a press announcement for this lends even more creditability to it being true. Usually Microsoft will out right deny something is false pretty fast.

NO
Maybe in some arcade games with bad graphics like super stardust hd on ps3, but no
A gtx 780 (2x ps4 gpu) barely gets 30-40 fps at 4k in recent games, and that is with way more memory bandwidth than ps4 has.

 

[FStop7]

Wow I'm really shocked at people I had pegged as die hards switching or canceling over this. Also holy shit at that tradeoff post.

"die Garda" and "cancel kings" had me rolling. Love auto correct.

 

[Impeccable]

Wow I'm really shocked at people I had pegged as die hards switching or canceling over this. Also holy shit at that tradeoff post.

Even Tim Dog wobbled.

 

[antitrop]

Looks like CoD4.

 

[ChiliManiac]

Holy shit!

Fortunately MS has a system where consumers can be excited about 720p....it is called an Xbox360.

Xbox 720...we were right all along lol.

 

[plagiarize]

I'm going to repost this here from the Titanfall rumor thread, because it's dead as hell. I believe the same applies to this thread, and want to have others' takes on this.



Once more, a grain of salt and all that. TechGAF, please correct me if I'm way off base.

that seems the most likely situation. we'll know soon, but it looks like right now, all the games using deferred lighting are sub 1080p.

again, I'd love people to tell me why Killer Instinct is 720p. What I've seen of that is two characters + lots of particle effects. There's nothing that explains why that *should* be 720p either, and that's an exclusive.

 

[kitch9]

?

How do you extrapolate that from "As first party I don't get builds of 3rd party games." That's about as clear-cut as one can be. He doesn't know. He can't know. He's Microsoft, he's not Activision.

Just so you know.

He knows.

 

[IN&OUT]

part of the problem I would imagine is that they feel they don't need to make a game 1080p and have the xbox to the up scaling for them. All speculation, but why waste money on developing something 1080p when the box can just upscale?

PS3/X360 all have upscalers, it's not something new at all. also upscaling does not give the same effect as native at all, not even close.

 

[jett]

This is 720p on Xbox?

You wish, that screen is clearly from a 1080p source.

 

[Jedipottsy]

The problem with folks around here is that you guys think everyone is like you. If everyone was like you, Wii would not have sold 100 mil+ and dominated the 1st half of last generation.

If everyone was like you, Wii's 480i/p res would have mattered... the PC would be the lead and dominant platform for every single 3rd party game, including EA's sports titles... Call of Duty would not be the #1 seller... Just Dance, Skylanders, Mario Kart, 3DS, etc. would not have dominated the charts.

Some multiplatform games will be 720p/720p on xb1/ps4, some will be 720p/900p, some 720p/1080p, 900p/1080p, and a bunch 1080p/1080p. Will it matter? To the hardcore, sure. To the soccer moms, to the kiddies, to the dude bros... not a chance.

It's not a question of power or specs or fanboy wetdream wars. It's a function of simply how many resources Microsoft is willing to invest to get to 30%, 40%, 50% or whatever market share their ultimate goal is. My bet is they are going to be willing to spend whatever it takes to be the market leader in this segment because the stakes are higher than ever and the value of the piece of pie they are after will potentially return more than ever before (because now we're talking *real* revenue from services on top of games... we're talking a digital pie that includes the itunes, the hulus, the netflix's, the digital games and apps downloads, etc., and more things in the future like ipTV, phone/skype dominance, etc.).

They will money hat as many exclusives as necessary... they will open as many studios as necessary.. .they will bundle and price drop as much as necessary... they will break as many fanboy hearts as necessary to beat Sony and, by relation, you the Sony holdout dreamer. Your salty tears and hate will simply fuel their fire. You will try to vote with your wallets and your voice, but your wallets/voice will get trampled by the XB1 gravy train laden with the soccer mom's and dudebro's hooing and hawing their way to a connected, metro-interfaced future.

You will lose. In fact, you have already lost.

Microsoft can't afford to lay down the $$ like before. M$ is in serious trouble. People (board and share holders) want m$ to drop xbox division - it aint profitable.

 

[RaikuHebi]

Ridge Racer 7 was 1080p 60fps at PS3 launch. People are more concerned with quality of assets than performance and image quality.

At this stage we should be getting both.

 

[Wolfie5]

The problem with folks around here is that you guys think everyone is like you. If everyone was like you, Wii would not have sold 100 mil+ and dominated the 1st half of last generation.

If everyone was like you, Wii's 480i/p res would have mattered... the PC would be the lead and dominant platform for every single 3rd party game, including EA's sports titles... Call of Duty would not be the #1 seller... Just Dance, Skylanders, Mario Kart, 3DS, etc. would not have dominated the charts.

Some multiplatform games will be 720p/720p on xb1/ps4, some will be 720p/900p, some 720p/1080p, 900p/1080p, and a bunch 1080p/1080p. Will it matter? To the hardcore, sure. To the soccer moms, to the kiddies, to the dude bros... not a chance.

It's not a question of power or specs or fanboy wetdream wars. It's a function of simply how many resources Microsoft is willing to invest to get to 30%, 40%, 50% or whatever market share their ultimate goal is. My bet is they are going to be willing to spend whatever it takes to be the market leader in this segment because the stakes are higher than ever and the value of the piece of pie they are after will potentially return more than ever before (because now we're talking *real* revenue from services on top of games... we're talking a digital pie that includes the itunes, the hulus, the netflix's, the digital games and apps downloads, etc., and more things in the future like ipTV, phone/skype dominance, etc.).

They will money hat as many exclusives as necessary... they will open as many studios as necessary.. .they will bundle and price drop as much as necessary... they will break as many fanboy hearts as necessary to beat Sony and, by relation, you the Sony holdout dreamer. Your salty tears and hate will simply fuel their fire. You will try to vote with your wallets and your voice, but your wallets/voice will get trampled by the XB1 gravy train laden with the soccer mom's and dudebro's hooing and hawing their way to a connected, metro-interfaced future.

You will lose. In fact, you have already lost.

Nice, a new meme.

 

[ironcreed]

That Killzone GIF eats Call of Duty for breakfast.

Indeed. Ghosts looks like an early-mid current gen title on next gen systems. Shameful.

 

[ChiliManiac]

that seems the most likely situation. we'll know soon, but it looks like right now, all the games using deferred lighting are sub 1080p.

again, I'd love people to tell me why Killer Instinct is 720p. What I've seen of that is two characters + lots of particle effects. There's nothing that explains why that *should* be 720p either, and that's an exclusive.

1080p must be a microtransaction you have to purchase lol

 

[Tsundere]

i know this is multiplayer and everything but the textures ( especially on the left side of teh picture ) look very bad IMO.

I don't think anyone is saying COD:Ghosts looks good at all. haha

And that makes 720p Xbox One version even more baffling.

 

[Marvel]

Wow I hadn't seen those CoD screens, that tank looks like it's made out of cardboard. ffs.

 

[HariKari]

You wish, that screen is clearly from a 1080p source.

Map textures look like a straight port from the 360/PS3 versions. Wouldn't surprise me, considering it's Activision. How old are those screens?

 

[Artex]

What game is that?

 

[Barack Lesnar]

What are the odds we'll ever see sub-720 on the X1? What a disaster.

 

[ChiliManiac]

Nice, a new meme.

he's even worse than I am! At least I try and add some facts to my posts and know when hoping for something good to come out of the Xbox One is a lost cause.

 

[Uno Venova]

"die Garda" and "cancel kings" had me rolling. Love auto correct.

Seriously how does iOS come up with that shit? Lol

 

[antitrop]

I don't think anyone is saying COD:Ghosts looks good at all. haha

And that makes 720p Xbox One version even more baffling.

It looks like Black Ops 2 on PC with aliasing.

Which is not a good thing.

 

[Loudninja]

What game is that?

Killzone Shadowfall

 

[GalacticMouse]

They will money hat as many exclusives as necessary... they will open as many studios as necessary.. .they will bundle and price drop as much as necessary... they will break as many fanboy hearts as necessary to beat Sony and, by relation, you the Sony holdout dreamer. Your salty tears and hate will simply fuel their fire. You will try to vote with your wallets and your voice, but your wallets/voice will get trampled by the XB1 gravy train laden with the soccer mom's and dudebro's hooing and hawing their way to a connected, metro-interfaced future.

You will lose. In fact, you have already lost.

Oh he's fun. Can we keep him??

Spoiler

 

[The Blackrose]

The problem with folks around here is that you guys think everyone is like you. If everyone was like you, Wii would not have sold 100 mil+ and dominated the 1st half of last generation.

If everyone was like you, Wii's 480i/p res would have mattered... the PC would be the lead and dominant platform for every single 3rd party game, including EA's sports titles... Call of Duty would not be the #1 seller... Just Dance, Skylanders, Mario Kart, 3DS, etc. would not have dominated the charts.

Some multiplatform games will be 720p/720p on xb1/ps4, some will be 720p/900p, some 720p/1080p, 900p/1080p, and a bunch 1080p/1080p. Will it matter? To the hardcore, sure. To the soccer moms, to the kiddies, to the dude bros... not a chance.

It's not a question of power or specs or fanboy wetdream wars. It's a function of simply how many resources Microsoft is willing to invest to get to 30%, 40%, 50% or whatever market share their ultimate goal is. My bet is they are going to be willing to spend whatever it takes to be the market leader in this segment because the stakes are higher than ever and the value of the piece of pie they are after will potentially return more than ever before (because now we're talking *real* revenue from services on top of games... we're talking a digital pie that includes the itunes, the hulus, the netflix's, the digital games and apps downloads, etc., and more things in the future like ipTV, phone/skype dominance, etc.).

They will money hat as many exclusives as necessary... they will open as many studios as necessary.. .they will bundle and price drop as much as necessary... they will break as many fanboy hearts as necessary to beat Sony and, by relation, you the Sony holdout dreamer. Your salty tears and hate will simply fuel their fire. You will try to vote with your wallets and your voice, but your wallets/voice will get trampled by the XB1 gravy train laden with the soccer mom's and dudebro's hooing and hawing their way to a connected, metro-interfaced future.

You will lose. In fact, you have already lost.

 

[Hoodbury]

I don't think anyone is saying COD:Ghosts looks good at all. haha

Albert said it looks great.

 

[Atlas157]

Albert said it looks great.

Albert says many things.

 

[Alej]

Wow I hadn't seen those CoD screens, that tank looks like it's made out of cardboard. ffs.

It is. *mindblown*
Cardboard tanks are the new Trojan horses, you didn't know?

 

[IN&OUT]

What game is that?

Killzone Shadow Fall

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

You wish, that screen is clearly from a 1080p source.

No, I'm saying the game is so ugly there's no way its running at 720p on Xbox One.

Looks like ASS.

 

[mattp]

If Okami HD runs at 4K down sampled to 1080p on the PS3, then surely the PS4 could run PS2-like visual quality games at 4K?

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

hang on a second
what?
does it really?

 

[Meia]

The only thing that confuses me is the camp that says the game looks awful. Were people really expecting a next gen looking game since it's still tied to this gen, or were people actually expecting them to release MASSIVELY upgraded graphics at a fraction of the user base? I'm just shocked they're even bothering with an Xbox One or PS4 version of the game.



Still, not a good sign that they either were unable or unwilling to get this version of the game up to 1080, if this is as true as it looks anyway.