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RuthenicCookie who broke news of Sony not going to E3 says PS5 is a Monster (Details inside)
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MilkyJoe
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Get a second job
Kerotan
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I still think they'd sell it for €399 and take a loss. €449 with a game bundled and €500 with an extra controller.
They'll make it back easily with ps plus subs and software sales. Not to mention the digital attach ratio will probably be over 50% meaning more profit from software sold both 1st and 3rd party
If it's truly a monster that does 4k/60fps at that price I can see them selling 25m in 12 months. Ps plus by then should be taking in around 3BN annually so I don't see how selling at a loss would be a deal breaker.
They'll make it back easily with ps plus subs and software sales. Not to mention the digital attach ratio will probably be over 50% meaning more profit from software sold both 1st and 3rd party
If it's truly a monster that does 4k/60fps at that price I can see them selling 25m in 12 months. Ps plus by then should be taking in around 3BN annually so I don't see how selling at a loss would be a deal breaker.
Tenaciousmo
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Man I'm itching for a psvr right now... ill bite the bullet and get one this black friday i think.
Death Dealer
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Adjusted for inflation, the 599 launch price of the 60gb PS3 is equal to about 750 in today's money. And the 300 launch price of the PS1 in today's money is 500. So 500 for PS5 doesn't seem that high at all.
Tenaciousmo
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500 USD is 658 Canadian rupees ... 750 roughly after tax (no extra games, controller)... I should start saving now...
JimmyRustler
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Yup, this. The price point is not the problem - if they make it worth it.
Kenpachii
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So basically he got nothing.
500 bucks for a console, yea good luck with that.
60fps 4k aint going to happen unless its some 1,5tflop designed game.
Mobile has a lot more uses then playing video games they are not comparable. It's like saying well he paid 50k for a car, so he can 50k also for a bike.
500 bucks for a console, yea good luck with that.
60fps 4k aint going to happen unless its some 1,5tflop designed game.
Mobile has a lot more uses then playing video games they are not comparable. It's like saying well he paid 50k for a car, so he can 50k also for a bike.
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nowhat
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It's pretty much speculation at this point, but I'd see 8 physical cores as a reasonable choice, if BC to PS4 is to be expected. The "leaked" 6 core/12 thread design could handle it, sure - but it wouldn't be as straightforward and would probably require some intervention from Sony (like One->360 BC). And knowing Sony... it's one of the mysteries in life. They have some frightfully talented programmers in their first-party studios. Like seriously god tier. But when it comes to the corporation as whole, they can't seem to do jack shit. So hopefully the corporation won't have to do anything to achieve BC.
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Airbus Jr
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Not trying to be rude but people who unable/insuficient money/have problems spending $500 to buy videogame console should get priority straight than just playing videogames
i spent more than $500 in a week but that's just me
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O-N-E
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If people have their priorities straight, they will not buy a 500 dollar console. That's why we're saying it's a bad idea.
Airbus Jr
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Care to explain why a $500 PS5 is a bad idea?
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Louis Cyphre
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$500 is fine. I want a real jump to next gen.
Whitecrow
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Shpeshal Nick
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Huh?
I mean, depending on how you like your graphic quality the Xbox One X has already achieved native 4K/60 on a few games off an old ass modified Jaguar. I don't see why the 2 new consoles shouldn't be able to hit it with much more regularity.
Shin
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Ehh hyperbole.. nothing "monster" about anything written except the price.
Seeing how Sony does stuff it's probably fake 4k to keep that 4k/60 but theyll overcharge our asses at $500 for it in near 2021.
Im being realistic with my expectations until I see 12—14Tf, Zen2 8/16 @ 3.2-3.5Ghz and 18—24Gb Samsung Gddr6.
If you have been researching this stuff in the recent years you'll know that it's not unreasonable and that Ms might pull it off.
Seeing how Sony does stuff it's probably fake 4k to keep that 4k/60 but theyll overcharge our asses at $500 for it in near 2021.
Im being realistic with my expectations until I see 12—14Tf, Zen2 8/16 @ 3.2-3.5Ghz and 18—24Gb Samsung Gddr6.
If you have been researching this stuff in the recent years you'll know that it's not unreasonable and that Ms might pull it off.
ANIMAL1975
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Playstation 5 is (not) a beast!
RokkanStoned
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$500 is totally fine. I even bought the PS3 at $599 and that was at launch and I was a teen using my part time job earnings to buy it. Considering inflation, considering the increasing smartphone prices, we really shouldn't be put off by a $100 increase from the PS4. I'm more concerned about other things, like Sony's policies, games, if there is a noticeable generational difference to justify the price, the price of the VR set, the technology and the support to it, other sellable features of the console, etc. Those things have a more lasting effect for me than an additional $100.
Hissing Sid
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Another shitty VR camera tracking solution? If so you can fuck right off with that shit.
PocoJoe
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I think it is comparable, as 300-400€ phone does all the same stuff as 1000€ phone, so if consumer can waste 1000€ into a phone when cheaper ones are "equal", then that kind of consumer doesnt care if console is 400 or 500€. More about type of consumer rather than absolute prices imo.
No, 500$ = 500-550€
At least at Finland, almost all electronic prices are 1$ = 1€(or more than 1€)
Like i bought huawei matebook x pro:
1899€ for i7, no bonuses like gift cards
US: 1499$? + 300$ giftcard? = EU Price is like 40-50% more almost
And consoles have always been 399$ = 399€
HeresJohnny
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It’s completely non viable at $500. Once it burns through 1-3 million hardcore fans who will buy at any price, it’ll be completely ignored by the mass market buyers who simply don’t want to pay half a grand to play a video game.
HeresJohnny
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Two complete different products and not at all comparable
Airbus Jr
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$500 for a device that can last you 7-8 years is pretty cheap bro
Any lower than that and you l be getting another underpowered hardware
I get that people are making examples at PS4 doing great at $400 but it doesn't mean PS5 can't succeed at $500
PC gamer spend $2000 for the latest RTX 2060 card and nobody bats an eye
Not sure why $500 is such a huge problem
In 2006 i have a janitor at office that can purchases $600 PS3 on day one
If people make good saving and spend their money wisely $500 shouldn't be a big problem and if you really still do that means you have other bigger concern in your life than playing videogames
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AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Fine with $500 as long as it plays everything I have on my Pro so I can trade that noisy fucker in. Of course, it's probably going to be £450 here rather than the £400 it should be, because lolbritain.
I really don't think Sony are wanting/expecting to get these things to fly off the shelves immediately. They probably recognise that a lot of consumers aren't going to see the benefit straight away and won't upgrade until they really need to. Plenty of people still don't have/want 4K TVs and won't until they next upgrade. I imagine the game plan is to have plenty of games that will work on 4 but be improved on 5, to begin with. You have to remember that a huge chunk of console sales are made up by the people who just play sports games and COD every year, and those people aren't going to give much of a shit about a new box straight away when the 4 works just fine.
I really don't think Sony are wanting/expecting to get these things to fly off the shelves immediately. They probably recognise that a lot of consumers aren't going to see the benefit straight away and won't upgrade until they really need to. Plenty of people still don't have/want 4K TVs and won't until they next upgrade. I imagine the game plan is to have plenty of games that will work on 4 but be improved on 5, to begin with. You have to remember that a huge chunk of console sales are made up by the people who just play sports games and COD every year, and those people aren't going to give much of a shit about a new box straight away when the 4 works just fine.
Alexander DeLarge
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Pretty much everyone batted an eye on RTX pricing. Especially as they killed the 1080Ti production and it became clear that the 2080 wasn't very competitive.
HeresJohnny
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Except that no system has ever attained mass market success at that price point. And even those that have launched high have dropped within a short amount of time (PS3 and Xbone) ad stumbled for years or never really recovered from it. Most buyers aside from the super hardcore that go to video game forums will either wait for a drop or not jump in at all and will simply continue to play their current gen system.
Also keep in mind most of the public never saw the PS4 or Xbone as underpowered. They think they still look pretty damn good.
EDIT: also keep in mind that by some estimates only half the country will have a 4K set by the time this launches. I understand the idea of future proofing but as of right now, the term 4K doesn’t mean fuck all to most of the public, which will replace a TV organically when it fails but not to play a video game on a $500 console. People are way overestimating the lengths people will go to play what is essentially a toy.
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Airbus Jr
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Tbh I think me and most people on this forum don't really care about these so called "mass market group" think with their money
If these..."mass market" don't want ps5 and want to game to mobile gaming etc then let them be
Were here at gaming forum wanted the best option posible for nextgen system with reasonable affordable prices and I think at $500 it's still make common sense around here
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HeresJohnny
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Well then you’d be buying a PC.
And you don’t need to care about a system’s reception, that is true. However when it dies due to lack of support I doubt you’ll be happy about it. The truth is that In the grand scheme of things, guys like you and I simply light the fuse, the mass market is the bomb. No mass market and you have a dead platform.
ANIMAL1975
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Totally! 500 and be a monster please, that's fine with me!!!
Airbus Jr
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You keep bringing these mass market issues
Now let me ask you how much the PS4 cost compared to Nintendo Switch?
Ps4 is like $400 right ? Switch is cheaper?
By your mass market theory switch should be selling more right?
Then why everyone keep buying PS4 over switch ? ps4 just won another chart in October
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JimmyRustler
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Well, just don't have to buy 60 $ games for the phone so....
The first manufacturer who figures out how to combine the console with a game subscription pass like Gamepass in a meaningful way can charge 1.000+ $ for the console.
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HeresJohnny
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PS4 is $299; the same price as a Switch. And it’ll be $199 on Black Friday.
Contrary to what most on this forum believe, the Pro and X are niche products that will not be responsible for getting systems into homes this holiday season.
Airbus Jr
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I'm curious how you gonna fit a system that have similar performance to a Vega 64 or GTX 1080TI into a $399 system
Seriously dude i don't understand why it bothers you so much about what these "mass market people " think and about to do with their own money
We have our own priority here don't have time to be concerned about what others are doing with their lifes
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Xaero Gravity
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So about $5K Canadian in 2020? Cool.
Well with other words, nothing was really leaked.
Just some specs of a dev-machine like early dev-environments. Even sony won't really know what the final specs are right now. They have a direction ("Expect something like …") and nothing more.
I would say, the end specs and price will depend on how the memory prices are evolving in the next few months.
If it will be 7nm, I expect a doubled xbox one x (without doubling the memory) and with a ryzen-based CPU. Nothing really groundbreaking.
Just some specs of a dev-machine like early dev-environments. Even sony won't really know what the final specs are right now. They have a direction ("Expect something like …") and nothing more.
I would say, the end specs and price will depend on how the memory prices are evolving in the next few months.
If it will be 7nm, I expect a doubled xbox one x (without doubling the memory) and with a ryzen-based CPU. Nothing really groundbreaking.
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HeresJohnny
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Because if I buy a console it’s an investment with the hope that it’s going to be self sustaining long enough to where it cost justifies for me. Again, no mass market, no platform.
As to how to fit high end tech at a reasonable price, well that’s for them to figure out. An old saying in my industry applies: if this shit were easy, everyone would be doing it.
Thiagosc777
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This makes no sense whatsoever. It is just fanboys trying to spin this into a positive thing.
For a 2019 release, they would need to announce it earlier in the year, either at some event or E3, for it to come out by the end of the year. So the press and fans can see and test the system. If they had any announcement to make, then they wouldn't skip E3.
The only reason MS announced Xbox Scarlett is because members of the press spreading rumours about them leaving the industry, so they had to confirm they are staying. Sony get special treatment from the media, so they don't have to announce things years in advance.
For a 2019 release, they would need to announce it earlier in the year, either at some event or E3, for it to come out by the end of the year. So the press and fans can see and test the system. If they had any announcement to make, then they wouldn't skip E3.
The only reason MS announced Xbox Scarlett is because members of the press spreading rumours about them leaving the industry, so they had to confirm they are staying. Sony get special treatment from the media, so they don't have to announce things years in advance.
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Airbus Jr
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Prices for electronic devices will depreciate over time
By the time it hit $300-$400 probably will be the time these "mass market " will jump in
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bitbydeath
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Think you mis-read. This rumour states 2020 as the year. Not 2019. And it’s coming from the same person who started the rumour of Sony not attending E3.
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