Shotgun Kiss
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Fire Emblem characters are the Jar Jar Binks of Smash.
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Sakurai discusses George Lucas and fan criticism
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Nintendo releases a remaster of Smash 4 for NX. An all-in-one version with all of the content from both games. It's really the only thing that makes any sense, since you want the community aspect of the games to continue through the next release, but don't want to rush it, and likely won't have backwards compatibility.
This is yet more important for Splatoon, as well.
I feel like there is enough there for someone new to look at and emulate and expand on. I'd love another subspace emissary type mode, but more polished and less of a weird Kirby clone. I want a real cross over story!
However, I love Kid Icarus Uprising, Meteos, and Kirby Super Star. Those games I think are criminally under appreciated and I'd love to see Sakurai reboot a series of come up with something new.
Get off my phone. The Fire Emblem characters are awesome.
woopWOOP
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There's a few paintings I would've placed differently, but Sakurai your latest house, no, your bigass villa is amazing. There's even room for 8 people in the lounge area!
Anyway nice article. Also I'm curious what the thread's first title was because the first page replies don't make a lot of sense anymore
Anyway nice article. Also I'm curious what the thread's first title was because the first page replies don't make a lot of sense anymore
fabricated backlash
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I'd argue that people like that aren't really worth listening to. To them it's more of an exercise in narcissism than actually caring for the created work. A chance to stroke their own ego, more than anything else.
As a creator, you have to learn to focus on constructive criticism, not the entitled bullshit spewed by people who are so deluded as to think that they are owed anything beyond what was created. These people fundamentally misunderstand the relationship between creator and audience and elevate it to a personal level, at which criticism becomes worthless because it lacks any semblance of objectivity.
The larger a fanbase, the larger the percentage of such individuals, and Star Wars in particular is such a cultural phenomenon, that by sheer probability, the number of obnoxious blowhards becomes much larger in volume.
Couple that with the way the internet allows anyone to own their own soapbox to declare to the world how sophisticated and superior their opinion is, and it's easy to see how such a positive thing like fandom can turn into such misguided toxic behaviour.
I hope that Sakurai is able to find a balance to offset this emotional drain, otherwise I'd advise him to stop making Smash Bros, as it's simply not worth it to endure the constant onslaught of bullshit spewed by a vocal minority, that in all honesty, hasn't much to do with the creation, but their own sense of entitlement.
But at least with Splatoon, they can likely churn out a sequel in a timely manner. Unless Smash 5 uses Smash 4 as its foundation, the same cannot be said for Smash. Plus people would be disappointed by the lack of a new Smash game for the entirety of the lifespan for the first wave of NX hardware.
After watching all the behind the scenes stuff concerning Lucas, the prequels and the tarnishing of the originals, its hard to believe anyone would admire him.
I dont think its healthy for anybody to think that just because they created something successful means theyre always right and their ideas shouldnt be challenged.
I just want a definitive console version of Smash that has all the content from the 3DS version.
I dont think its healthy for anybody to think that just because they created something successful means theyre always right and their ideas shouldnt be challenged.
I just want a definitive console version of Smash that has all the content from the 3DS version.
You didn't read the article it seems either.
^This. The FE bashing going on in this topic is ridiculous. Said it before, I'll say it again. It's about as logical as bashing Cloud for being "another anime sword user" or Bayonetta bashing because she uses her fists/feet in some moves. In other words: Not logical at all. The only outright FE clone character is Lucina. She's literally just a weaker Marth. Roy even got somewhat reworked to be slightly different from Marth. He's more of a luigi-fied clone than an outright one at this point. And Ike, Robin and what we saw of Corrin all play vastly differently from Marth and each other.
I hope so as well, mainly for the sake of future-proofing the franchise should Sakurai need to bow out. Either that or if Nintendo requires Smash 5 on the NX Platform ASAP.
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NinjamicWZ
Banned
I totally agree.
Voysa Reezun
Banned
I respect Sakurai's vision and the work and heart that he puts into creating his games.
They don't seem to grab me anymore in the case of Smash, but hey, there are many other games out there that I can play instead.
As a creator, one should just avoid the internet. It's a place where even constructive criticism is or can be viewed as trolling or as complaining for the sake of complaining.
They don't seem to grab me anymore in the case of Smash, but hey, there are many other games out there that I can play instead.
As a creator, one should just avoid the internet. It's a place where even constructive criticism is or can be viewed as trolling or as complaining for the sake of complaining.
Outrun
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I hear what Sakurai is saying. It was massively hard for Lucas though. The amount of vitriol spewed his direction is massive.
For me, I view him as an artist whose prequel trilogy did not resonate with the fans of the original trilogy. But Lucas continues to have my respect because as an artist, he created the art that HE wanted to make. When I look at The Force Awakens, I see how a corporation (Disney) makes story decisions simply to maximize return on investment. TFA is an exercise in cynical movie-making without an ounce of soul. The amount of fan-service instilled is incredible.... and it is all calculated.
I wish that GL would have shown more strength and give us the new trilogy as he saw it. But ultimately everyone has their limits. Even on this thread, we have this narrative that GL was not the reason for the SW's success. On other sites, we have the lauding of Martha Lucas, Gary Kurtz Etc... while GL is pissed on. Listening to constructive criticism is one thing. Pandering to them is altogether different. The artist has to balance the inner creative drive with the need to get better.
For me, I view him as an artist whose prequel trilogy did not resonate with the fans of the original trilogy. But Lucas continues to have my respect because as an artist, he created the art that HE wanted to make. When I look at The Force Awakens, I see how a corporation (Disney) makes story decisions simply to maximize return on investment. TFA is an exercise in cynical movie-making without an ounce of soul. The amount of fan-service instilled is incredible.... and it is all calculated.
I wish that GL would have shown more strength and give us the new trilogy as he saw it. But ultimately everyone has their limits. Even on this thread, we have this narrative that GL was not the reason for the SW's success. On other sites, we have the lauding of Martha Lucas, Gary Kurtz Etc... while GL is pissed on. Listening to constructive criticism is one thing. Pandering to them is altogether different. The artist has to balance the inner creative drive with the need to get better.
But you can argue that smash isn't a real competitive game. Something something party game
Well Sakurai did describe Smash 4 as a "competitive action game" during the Final Smash Presentation, so there's that.
Hahahahaha
A pretty obvious indication of this is Bayonetta's inclusion. She was obviously very requested (she won the poll after all), but you mainly just hear complaining and bitterness about it.
Lol sorry, sarcasm doesn't convey through text as well as person. I made a joke on the way some people interpret the game
Especially on SmashBoards. I mean, holy shit.
Even conspiracy theories to why she's even in. It's crazy.
Jawmuncher
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George Lucas would have kept snake in.
Twelve!
Have you seen Konami as of late?
But Indy hates snakes!
Ahh, this pointless crying is still music to my ears.
Can't wait for my sweet Bayonetta!!!
Jawmuncher
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NinjaCoachZ
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Bowser Jr is Jar Jar Binks, the Koopalings are Ewoks, and Dark Pit is Anakin.
MegaManTrigger
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It's unfair to be cynical about Disney's direction with the new trilogy, and then be lenient with Lucas. After all, you're comparing one movie, to Lucas's three movies. Moreover, on one hand, lots of people seem to enjoy The Force Awakens and liken it to a callback to the heart and soul of the old Star Wars. On the other hand, we're talking about someone who's had inferior directing and writing skills, his dialogue is a hot mess. Maybe there's something you didn't like, and that's fine, but that doesn't negate that people seemed to have a fun time with the movie, and that's something one cannot forget.
Additionally, you can use the same corporate argument on Lucas when he decided to make the prequels. On its own, the original trilogy is fine and doesn't need explanation with regards to backstory. Three episodes were certainly not needed (if anything, Revenge of the Sith is enough to fill in on the backstory, Attack of the Clones and The Phantom Menace are largely irrelevant), so it's an obvious attempt to cash in on a franchise that was already huge in terms of financial gains. That being said, just because you create something that you wanted to make, doesn't necessarily mean that criticisms can be ignored. After all, all art is flawed in one way or another.
IchigoSharingan
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this guy.......this is the guy that gets it. +1 vote.
He's not wrong though. He absolutely hit the nail in the head (and not by accident).
So the intention is that criticism is a good thing as long as its constructive, so when it becomes abusive it just takes all the motivation off the creator.
Look at Brawl, its a fine game, but since a vocal minority wanted Melee 2.0, they keep lashing out on him, I guess that kind of criticism can weight out on anyone after a while.
Look at Brawl, its a fine game, but since a vocal minority wanted Melee 2.0, they keep lashing out on him, I guess that kind of criticism can weight out on anyone after a while.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I felt that it was unnecessary with the fact that Smash Bros threads with specific topics always derailed into Smash NX, etc. Despite that we have no clue about our future consoles and the studio is still working on last two DLC characters. Please take your future Smash discussion to this thread. So we could stay on topic because I'm curious about other people's opinions if they actually read the article.
Came here to say this, and was not let down.
He does good work. He's good at move sets like Lucas is an "ideas guy." With a solid team they're an incredibly valuable asset but they shouldn't be the sole decision maker.
Sakurai designing movesets and animations, someone else doing balance, someone else doing stages etc could be a fucking amazing smash game but nope brawl and brawl 2
The problem with Metaknight is the "Z" depth/angle, not the hitboxes* itself.
*Hitboxes are messed up too, but not as bad as people think.
MrSaturn99
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People make up Smash conspiracy theories all the time, as seen with the "accident" BS.
Spyder_Monkey
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This is total bullshit. People don't play Smash because it's a highly technical and competitive game. People play Smash to see their favorite video game characters beat each other up. That has been the main appeal of the series since the beginning. Calling Brawl and the Wii U/3DS games trash is complete lies. Brawl has Melee beat in the content department by hundreds of miles while Wii U/3DS plays better than Melee and is much more accessible while still keeping it competitive. If anything Smash Bros. has improved since Melee it was never a one hit wonder. Hell do you think 15 years ago you would see Cloud Strife or even Mega Man in Smash? No, and that's whats awesome about the series. Seeing all those characters from all walks of life come together in the greatest crossover of anything ever.
Of course Melee also doesn't hold up well and a lot of people only like it because of nostalgia so there's that.
If sakurai was painting a picture I totally get this argument. 100%.
He isn't. He is making sequels to games while belittling people who rightfully criticize him dropping portions of game they liked or adding in game modes that no one wanted.
Just like people rightfully criticize George Lucas for making three garbage movies and then editing the ones people liked. Melee wasn't made by a single dude, neither were Star Wars 4-6. Yet core idea guys decide it was entirely them and they're artists so deal with whatever they personally feel like doing and you can't critique their art because "art critiques" aren't a thing.
Sorry, yeah, we're going back to flip phones because all us phone makers decided they were cooler looking and honestly we design your phones and we're artists so anyone criticizing us is a vocal minority and there's tons of people who use the new flip phones all the time and LOVE them they're just quiet I promise.
higgsboson1997
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Brawl's been called bad by the super hardcore 0.1% of players. Most love it, and it has ridiculously good critical acclaim.
DecoReturns
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Let's be fair. All smash games hold up.
Your replie is as bad as his in a sense that your attacking melee players how he attacked brawl players.
What the fuck is this?
PeakPointMatrix
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why isnt it bannable to say something outragous without backing it up?He made Melee and approved of Bayonetta. He doesn't have a clean track record.
darkistheway
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Where the fuck do you come up with nonsense like this?
Pro from Dover
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Oh! Like the time VideoGamerTV was playing Devil's Third and, I don't know, ambivaling(?) at length over the box car. Which spread, at length, to the threads. Even Itagaki was all like "Why the fuck are you concentrating on such a small part of the game?!?!"
But one best wear their best Bourdain and out Bourdain even the best of Bourdains.
Team Alucard
Banned
Nah.
N64 = American Graffiti
Melee = Original Trilogy
Brawl = Prequel Trilogy
Smash IV = Clone Wars