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Sakurai on why Ridley isn't playable in Smash Bros.
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DICKS AHOY
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Let's talk about Geno's chances instead!
he is fucking metal and you will learn respect when talking of him
Nintendo confirmed to stop making video games after the launch of Super Smash Bros. for Wii U.
"But he wasn't big in the earlier Metroid games!"
You mean those games on hardware that couldn't handle giant moving enemies?
"But Bowser!"
You mean the same Bowser whose size really isn't consistent throughout the Mario series, even in modern installments?
"But Kirby and Olimar!"
Let's be honest here: if Melee hadn't said Kirby was 8 inches tall, would you have thought that he's that size?
As for Olimar, his representation in Smash is the same as in his game. He's extremely small, tossing around even tinier Pikmin. In comparison, Bowser already slightly clips though platforms on Battlefield, just imagine trying to make Ridley fit without looking stupid.
Face it folks... Ridley is TOO BIG!
You mean those games on hardware that couldn't handle giant moving enemies?
"But Bowser!"
You mean the same Bowser whose size really isn't consistent throughout the Mario series, even in modern installments?
"But Kirby and Olimar!"
Let's be honest here: if Melee hadn't said Kirby was 8 inches tall, would you have thought that he's that size?
As for Olimar, his representation in Smash is the same as in his game. He's extremely small, tossing around even tinier Pikmin. In comparison, Bowser already slightly clips though platforms on Battlefield, just imagine trying to make Ridley fit without looking stupid.
Face it folks... Ridley is TOO BIG!
Hot Coldman
Banned
Kraid has better odds imo
SA-X is defined by having the exact same abilities as Samus. You can play SA-X already by selecting default color Samus.
Fix that.
They already did. She's an assist trophy.
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Anyhoo, I have a question?
Why is there always so much surprise over Rosalina's size?
Hasn't she always been huge. It's not like she was invented in 1990 and had a size chnage. She was huge in galaxy, bigger than Peach. And she's been big in every game she's been in I believe.
Why do people seem to be surprised about it? I'm confused...
NeonZ
Member
Not really... The Prime series is treated like a spin off by NoJ. That's likely why Dark Samus wasn't added. It'd need to be in a mainline Metroid game.
ZeroGravity
Member
Glad he finally confirmed what we all knew. Hopefully people will stop talking about this forever.
little mac treatment, baby
Labrynian Rebel
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Gonzo The Great
Banned
He wouldn't even be a trophy if that were the case. Miyamoto suggested to Retro that they try making their own villains, so they did. Twice. And nobody cares about them. Now the president of Retro Studios, Michael Kelbaugh, is following the Kremling Kampaign on Twitter, and he has apparently been lurking Smashboards. I'd love to see Retro's take on the Kremlings in a future DKC title. At least K. Rool can stand on two legs unlike a certain other reptilian creature.
Azure Dream
Member
They shrunk her for 3D World (although she's still the tallest), so that may have thrown off some people.
themagicalkitsune
Member
Are we really going down the because Bowser shrank therefore Ridley can line again.......
Ridley is significantly bigger than Samus in Metroid. To display that in any sense of remote accuracy in SSB would be impossible. Samus is already one of the tallest characters in the game, she's almost already touching the bottom platforms of Battlefield just standing normally in the power suit. Any playable Ridley would have parts of him not just go through the platform slightly like Bowser does with with some of his spikes but would have significant parts going through it like his wings for example. Plus in the case of Bowser going through the platforms, Bowser does that while still maintaining a noticeable height advantage over Mario due to Mario being short in general. As i said earlier Samus isn't short, she's far from that. Displaying that height difference causes problems and based on that for the people saying that Bowser shrank from the Mario Games therefore Ridley can..... No
Bowser canonically in the Marioverse has had his size altered at will by Magi Koopa. His current size in SSB can be attributed to him doing just that. Ridley on the other hand does not have that loop hole to his size in the Metroidverse. Ridley has consistently been depicted as being clearly larger than Samus by a significant amount. So much so that when he picks her up in one hand the size difference is even more plainly obvious in that his arm is bigger than Samus. Yes there was the NES Ridley thing but considering that ever since then he has consistently been shown to be larger than Samus by a fair amount as opposed to in the original Metroid it's pretty safe to say that his depiction in the first Metroid in regards to size was most likely due to hardware limitations.
Ridley is significantly bigger than Samus in Metroid. To display that in any sense of remote accuracy in SSB would be impossible. Samus is already one of the tallest characters in the game, she's almost already touching the bottom platforms of Battlefield just standing normally in the power suit. Any playable Ridley would have parts of him not just go through the platform slightly like Bowser does with with some of his spikes but would have significant parts going through it like his wings for example. Plus in the case of Bowser going through the platforms, Bowser does that while still maintaining a noticeable height advantage over Mario due to Mario being short in general. As i said earlier Samus isn't short, she's far from that. Displaying that height difference causes problems and based on that for the people saying that Bowser shrank from the Mario Games therefore Ridley can..... No
Bowser canonically in the Marioverse has had his size altered at will by Magi Koopa. His current size in SSB can be attributed to him doing just that. Ridley on the other hand does not have that loop hole to his size in the Metroidverse. Ridley has consistently been depicted as being clearly larger than Samus by a significant amount. So much so that when he picks her up in one hand the size difference is even more plainly obvious in that his arm is bigger than Samus. Yes there was the NES Ridley thing but considering that ever since then he has consistently been shown to be larger than Samus by a fair amount as opposed to in the original Metroid it's pretty safe to say that his depiction in the first Metroid in regards to size was most likely due to hardware limitations.
Am I misunderstanding you here or...
Well those are still rather Mario sized. When they remade the first Metroid, Ridley looked like this.
That's how big Nintendo want us to think he was in the first Metroid.
I still don't think it's his size that's the problem, though. It's his proportions.
Oh yeah. Forgot about that. But in Galaxy and MK, she seems pretty big.
True, quite large. I provided a few more links in my edit but yeah I can't think of anything quite that different in size. I'm sure theres something though.
MrSaturn99
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I'm surprised no one's brought up the SSBM intro yet.
Speaking of which, I can't be the only that never saw him as being that small in there, right?
Speaking of which, I can't be the only that never saw him as being that small in there, right?
If we're talking about scale within a series, Smash already shit the bed with the Pokemon. Pikachu is 1'04" while Charizard is 5'07".
I'm more disturbed by his lack of a tail.
He's pretty small compared to Super Metroid.
I'm more disturbed by his lack of a tail.
Wasn't he that big because he ate a power star or something? Anyways he usually is smaller.
Scale size not a problem he's talking about I think; proportions and body shape are.
None of them are too big, and they're all playable in their own game
Ignore that shitty 2 that was drawn on, this was the best picture of all the hunters I could be bothered to find
Mr Fahrenheit
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Cause when I think of how to accurately represent Ganondorf, I immediately think of him having the same exact fighting style of a future race car driver.
Sakurai needs to get his head out of his own ass. He's legitimately making stuff up to make himself sound better.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Why do people have such a fetish for Ridley?
Hot Coldman
Banned
I think the fans need to realize Sakurai just doesn't like Ridley enough to make him a playable character.
Idk, the Snowmads are pretty great. Love those guys.
U-mos!
Come on, he's the coolest looking side character in the series!
Sylux's entire character is hating Samus and the Federation. If anyone's gonna move through games to fight Samus, Sylux should be on the short list.
Spinosaurus
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How about a generic Space Pirate for a Metroid rep?
Eh? Eh?
Eh? Eh?
I don't really blame him for Ganondorf. He hasn't exactly had the most consistent representation across his three appearances. Didn't help he no-showed the latest games to base an update on. I would be happy to get a Ganon character though!
Because Metroid is cool and generally gets shitty representation in Smash.
And currently we have "Samus" and "Samus without all of her iconic defining features".
And Ridley just looks cool and could be a really unique character if they actually designed him around his size and flight abilities.
balladofwindfishes
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If you only have ocarina of time to work from, Ganondorf doesn't have anything other than chucking orbs and slamming to the ground, one of which he already does in Smash. And once a character is in Smash, they don't drastically change much.
Once Ganondorf started gaining more appearances, he evolved in Smash. Ganondorf is barely a clone these days, his differences with Falcon rival differences entirely unrelated characters have.
Nocturnowl
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Beaky Prime 2 design with smoke spewing jetpacks or nothing!
shaowebb
Member
Not really. Think about it...how fucking fun was it seeing folks fly around the whole match as Pitt and run away fishing Smash Balls in casuals every single match? How fun was it ever to see folks spam huge moves that devastate folks when they got items that did that?
That is what an ACCURATE Ridley would be... a lot of flight and a lot of power. If they didn't do that then suddenly it would feel like a fake Ridley because it wouldn't really move, fight or feel as intimidating as it used to. Ridley was fast and hit like a meteor. Ridley has diving grabs and shit like Master Hand...Ridley would easily be a character with potential to create a broken gaming experience if they were done accurate to their source material.
Sorry...I don't care if you shrank him. Sakurai was right. They honestly should have been looking at Dark Samus for a character. Invisibility, hover, beams, dash in shoulders...very different from Samus and more do-able.
I can't really think of any possible attacks for Adam, except shooting people on his team or making a completely ineffective sacrifice.
Blue Samus Clone is the most likely pick.