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Saturn or N64?

Difficult.

I loved my N64, with SM64, LOZ: MM, LOZ64, Pilotwings, Hybrid Heaven, mischief makers, blast corps, lylat wars, f zero 64, 1080 et all.

Same for my saturn with the panzer dragoons rail shooters, Saga, Shining Force 3 S1-3, Burning Rangers, Virtua On, fighters megamix, Sonic Jam, Guardian Heroes, Nights into Dreams, D&D, Story of Thor 2, Mysteria and so forth.

At the end of the day, my favourite games of the generation are LOZ64, Panzer Dragoon Saga and the Shining Force 3 trilogy, so I guess saturn.
 
n64 had Conkers Bad Fur Day, Mario 64, Ocarina of time, Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, and Mario Kart. Those games plus many others makes it the best system of that generation.
 
Sir_Crocodile said:
Difficult.

I loved my N64, with SM64, LOZ: MM, LOZ64, Pilotwings, Hybrid Heaven, mischief makers, blast corps, lylat wars, f zero 64, 1080 et all.

Same for my saturn with the panzer dragoons rail shooters, Saga, Shining Force 3 S1-3, Burning Rangers, Virtua On, fighters megamix, Sonic Jam, Guardian Heroes, Nights into Dreams, D&D, Story of Thor 2, Mysteria and so forth.

At the end of the day, my favourite games of the generation are LOZ64, Panzer Dragoon Saga and the Shining Force 3 trilogy, so I guess saturn.

Did you get Saga at release?
 
I'm one of those gamers who will buy a console for only 1 or 2 games that I really enjoy and then I'll play them to death. I bought an xbox specifically for Halo. Then I bought Halo2 when it was released. The only other game I owned for the xbox was Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind.

So when it comes to rating my favorite console, I look at what console produced the most games of that kind of caliber: the N64 crushes everything (at least for me). Mario64, Ocarina of Time, Super Smash Brothers, Mario Kart, and Golden Eye were all amazing and possessed the kind of jump in graphics I would expect from next-generation hardware, while at the same time retaining the addicting fun of what I'd expect from a Nintendo game. Any one of those games by themselves would have been enough to make me purchase an N64. No other console since then has matched that kind of impressive quality. And let's not forget its 4-player capabilities. I had so more fun playing with friends on the N64. Truly, it was amazing.
 
overcast said:
n64 had Conkers Bad Fur Day, Mario 64, Ocarina of time, Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, and Mario Kart. Those games plus many others makes it the best system of that generation.

Soooooo fuckin' godlike.
 
Saturn had fairly crummy graphics + the dreaded loading times of the early era cd consoles.

But since this isn't about graphics but games, in a battle between the saturn and n64, I'd choose a snes.
 
Oh man. Taking ports into account, the N64 has so very little next to the Saturn.

There isn't a single N64 game as good as Darius Gaiden, Battle Garegga, DoDonPachi, Sega Rally, Rayforce, Leynos 2, hell, probably even Thunderforce V.

PepsimanVsJoe said:
Hilariously lopsided.
Saturn all the way.

Yeah.

I will never be able to talk about games with the people saying N64. :[
 
Saturn for me too. Nights was my first import game, after that I was importing for years only. And no fighting game comes close to Fighters Megamix for me.

Not to forget the Panzer Dragoon series!
 
Saturn wins for Dragon Force, Shining Force III, Radiant Silvergun, and many many awesome Capcom fighters (MSHvSF... sooooo gooood!).
 
Mortrialus said:
Saturn only becomes worth it if you're willing to play imports.

Or Shining Force is your favorite series of all time. (Though I supposed you need to play imports to get the other two scenarios. I need to play those damn it)
 
All i can say is that i have never had as much fun as golden eye on the N64 as i did with the any Saturn game. Sorry but even if the Saturn had more games none of them held the appeal of Bond, Smash Bros, Mario kart, and party. I guess i preferred playing 4 player Smash over IIRC 8 player Bomber man, But hey that's just me.
 
Guardian Heroes alone exceeds anything on the N64 for me, personally. But I've never been a fan of the N64 so it's easy for a single game to do that.
 
Ichor said:
Or Shining Force is your favorite series of all time. (Though I supposed you need to play imports to get the other two scenarios. I need to play those damn it)

That is another legitimate point. If you really love Shining force or Panzer Dragoon, Saturn is where it is at.
 
Sir_Crocodile said:
Difficult.

I loved my N64, with SM64, LOZ: MM, LOZ64, Pilotwings, Hybrid Heaven, mischief makers, blast corps, lylat wars, f zero 64, 1080 et all.

Same for my saturn with the panzer dragoons rail shooters, Saga, Shining Force 3 S1-3, Burning Rangers, Virtua On, fighters megamix, Sonic Jam, Guardian Heroes, Nights into Dreams, D&D, Story of Thor 2, Mysteria and so forth.

At the end of the day, my favourite games of the generation are LOZ64, Panzer Dragoon Saga and the Shining Force 3 trilogy, so I guess saturn.


THERE WAS A STORY OF THOR 2!??!?!?
 
Saturn, no contest.

The 3D on both has aged terribly bad (it was horrible to begin with), but at least Saturn has a great library of 2D games that make it worthy. I would rather play Guardian Heroes and D&D over any N64 game.
 
N64, definitely. I like the Saturn too -- I got one a couple of years ago, have a bunch of games now, and definitely like it -- but the N64 has always been one of my all-time favorite consoles, so it's not really a fair comparison.

The N64 has a lot of amazing games on it. Sure, the library isn't as big as some, but it makes up for it with its very high average quality level... the Saturn has far, far more bad games, and lots more mediocre ports too. The N64 has a large library of amazing exclusives. Part of it does depend on which genres you like, though -- the N64 is weak at RPGs and 2d fighting games, while it's strong at arcade-style racing games, 3d platformers, and some more, while, the Saturn is poor at 3d platformers, 3d action-adventure games, and Nintendo games and good at 2d fighting games and shmups, particularly, as well as Sega games. I like both Nintendo and Sega, but I like Nintendo more. They do somewhat compliment eachother, though -- the N64 has few 2d fighting games or shmups, while the Saturn has few 3d platformers or action-adventure games... both have weak English-language strategy and RPG libraries, though, for that you need a Playstation. I mean, both have a few good ones -- Paper Mario, Ogre Battle 64, etc. on the N64, and the Shining games, Dragon Force, PD Saga, etc. on Saturn -- but it's only a few titles. At least thanks to the Zelda games, quantity or no, the N64 wins the generation in that category...

As for racing games, in terms of quality both platforms are strong in the genre. The N64 has more racing games than the Saturn, though, I believe; it's one of the stronger genres on the platform. The Saturn has Daytona (three versions of it), Sega Rally, Cyber Speedway, Virtua Racing, the best version of Wipeout (worse graphics but improved handling), etc -- great games, Sega was great at making racing games. Overall though, I do give the N64 the victory in this category. First, it has Rush 2049, my favorite racing game of all time. Second, with one exception all Saturn racing games are 1 or 2 player only; on the N64 however all but one or two are at least two player, and about half are 4 player splitscreen. If you want multiplayer there's only one console to consider. Also Sega's racing game lineup slowed down a bit over time, in terms of volume at least, and just like with the DC, major Sega arcade racing games never got home ports (Motor Raid, Wave Runner, etc.) Sega did publish a lot more first-party racing games than Nintendo did on its platform, but the N64 had more third party support in the genre. Because I don't like the current trend towards greater realism, the N64 is still one of my favorite systems for racing games -- there are a lot of very good arcade-style N64 racing games. The best Saturn ones are certainly great (I'll take the first version of Daytona for the Saturn over any Ridge Racer game I've played any day...), but still the N64's is even better.

As for 3d platformers, as I said it's not really fair because the Saturn had so few. Sure, Croc for Saturn is a good game, but the N64 has a bunch of 3d platformers that good or better, and that game's also on Playstation and PC. I do want to mention the two Bug! games for Saturn, though. Bug! is an interesting early attempt at a 3d platformer -- about the only game in the genre that released before it that I can find is Jumping Flash, and that only slightly predates it. The game plays partially like a 2.5d platformer, but there is also a 3d element, so it's not 2.5d even if you're always moving along a plane (you can't move diagonally, only left/right or forward/back, and can only jump along the plane you're currently facing) and more often than not you're not in fully 3d environments to wander around. Still, I think they're good games, interesting early efforts at the genre and pretty fun, their ridiculously excessive difficulty levels and overly cruel save systems aside.

But the N64... from Mario 64 to the four Rare 3d platformers (DK64 is my favorite, it was the first Rare 3d platformer I played and I loved it) to Rayman 2, Rocket: Robot on Wheels, and more, it's just one of the best lineups of 3d platformers ever.

As for other genres, both systems have some classics, and some under-appreciated games, like Bug! above or the sort of conceptually similar and yet quite different Lode Runner 3D on the N64. But overall I like the N64 library better; sure, I like 2d fighting games and shmups, so it's certainly not perfect, but the genres it does well it does very well.

Also, I have to mention graphics. Saturn 3d isn't always terrible, but it's certainly nowhere near as good as N64 3d. The Saturn (and PSX) just can't match the N64's built-in hardware features like z-buffering, perspective and texture correction, filtering, etc. Once I got used to it I can like the look of Saturn 3d, but it'll never quite match N64 3d in quality, and that generation, when 3d was so primitive, that does matter. With the N64, blurry textures aside low framerates were the most common issue; I mostly find the framerates on N64 games tolerable, and like the better graphics that you get compared to the other systems that generation. Of course compared to newer games they don't look like much, but still I like the look of a lot of 3d N64 games. Not all of them, sure, but many. On the PSX and Saturn, it's mostly the 2d games that look best. (The N64 could do good 2d too, but so few games tried that it's hard to compare...)

Also, 3d N64 games all have analog control supported. That is absolutely not true on Saturn. Even though the Saturn did have a wheel (Arcade Racer) and joystick (the Mission Stick flightstick-style joystick), both of which are fantastic for the games that support them, many games don't. And the 3D Controller analog gamepad wasn't released until late 1996, so relatively few games support it considering how short the system's life was, and that it wasn't ever a packin as far as I know, just an optional controller. At least some games that were designed for the Mission Stick or Arcade Racer do work in analog with eachother or with the 3D Controller, but still the Saturn is left without analog in a bunch of games. This was true on the Playstation too, until 1997, but that system had a long life to go after analog became standard on the platform; Saturn had a short life, and analog never became standard. Compared to either of the others though, 3d control wise the N64 certainly shines. In 3d worlds, having analog control is important.

duckroll said:
I'm not exactly sure what this comparison is about since the OP has practically not details on what exactly the N64 and the Saturn are competing over here. If anyone is considering getting a N64 or a Saturn right now to play back catalog games, I would say the answer is definitely the Saturn.

Pretty much every good N64 game is available either on another platform, or on the Virtual Console. For those interested in playing their N64 games on the PC instead, N64 emulation is also relatively advanced and games have hi-res texture packs and whatnot.

On the other hand, Saturn emulation is still very much behind, requiring very advanced hardware to play a small amount of games properly. Many Saturn classics are not available in any current platforms, and even games which had ports to the PS1 back in the day were often inferior to the Saturn originals. There are also games like Capcom's D&D arcade brawlers which will never ever be released in any form ever again, because they no longer own the license rights.
Actually as far as emulation goes the opposite is true -- SSF is a fantastic emulator for the Saturn with pretty high compatibility, easy use, and relatively recent updates, while N64 emulation has, last time I checked, barely moved in years, with scores of games still completely unplayable, and the emulators are all harder to use and get configured right too.

I'd say that actual hardware is required for both systems, really, but more so for the N64 than the Saturn because Saturn emulation is better now. Plus you can play actual Saturn game CDs on your computer in emulation, so you can even play original media emulated on the PC.

As for Virtual Console, only a small number of titles are there; that's no solution. It is true that no Saturn games have been released emulated on other systems, but Sega has ported the PC ports of a few of them (Sega released PC versions of a bunch of its Saturn games) to new systems, such as the Sonic R version in Sonic Gems Collection.

onken said:
THERE WAS A STORY OF THOR 2!??!?!?
Yes, and it's a topdown, 2d action-RPG just like the first, but with Saturn graphics. It was titled Legend of Oasis in the US Story of Thor 2 in Europe.
 
Mortrialus said:
Saturn only becomes worth it if you're willing to play imports.

I'd pretty safely trade the entire N64 library for Darius Gaiden and Rayforce. F-Zero X would definitely be missed.

dwu8991 said:
The saturn is fantastic for the 15 minutes of arcade fun. Pure arcade awesomeness.

You get way, way more than 15 minutes from a good arcade game.
 
Mortrialus said:
That is another legitimate point. If you really love Shining force or Panzer Dragoon, Saturn is where it is at.
Star Fox 64 and Sin & Punishment (the latter import only, sure, but it's there) are about as good as the two Panzer Dragoon games, though. All four of those titles are right near the top of my list of the best rail shooters ever, but thanks to those two I think the N64's about even with the Saturn in railshooters (though Saturn does also have a great port of Space Harrier, that game is amazing). It's the Playstation that lags behind the other two in the genre...
 
If you're exclusively a fan of JRPGs and 2D fighters, then yeah Saturn. Which gets me thinking, I can't think of a single example of either of those genres on the N64 for the life of me.
 
I like the Saturn (Though I'm surprised Astal has not been mentioned) but I'm really surprised how many people are choosing it over the N64. I don't know if I can pick the Saturn over the system that owns OoT.
 
saturn
death tank zwei, capcom fighters, saturn bomberman, baku baku animal, daytona, sega rally, VF2, fighters megamix, gaurdian heroes, nights, burning rangers...list goes on


n64
golden eye, mario 64, wave race, blast corps, shadow of the empire, GI gold, f-zero-x , mario kart,pilot wings 64
update list.

I had great times on both...for different reasons/genres etc I say buy both!!
 
I have trouble seeing OoT as anything other than a horrible disappointment.
Part of it is that I played MGS1 first and it blew OoT away in terms of presentation and story(yeah I said it..oh well). The game itself was okay but I only seem to remember the worst parts of it(pretty much the entirety of the pre-adult Link portions).

Majora's Mask was great though.
 
Saturn by far. Grew out of Nintendo's stuff after the SNES and the 64 just didn't appeal to me whatsoever. It does help that the 64 was also a barren wasteland for Japanese developed games besides the C grade stuff.
 
alstein said:
Fire Pro 6 Man Scramble >>>> No Mercy.
I would have really liked to have a Saturn for that. I could have raised my friends properly instead of using their N64s. If I remember right 6 Man Scramble was the first one with the larger character sprites that the modern games had. I have the PS1 game on PSN now and it is lower than the GBA games in art and features.

Today I think I would take the Saturn over the N64 even without knowing much of its library. The AKI wrestling games are one of the only things on the N64 that you can't get better versions of. I imagine that the arcade import centric saturn may have more unique titles for me to play today.
 
For me, N64 beats Saturn and PlayStation easily. Super Mario 64, Zelda OoT, Zelda MM, Banjo-Kazooie, Banjo-Tooie, Conkers BFD, Diddy Kong Racing, F-Zero X, Blast Corps... Nintendo and Rare both at their best, pumping out all-time classic after all-time classic. There were quite a few droughts, but in between these the highlights are still among the highlights of gaming. I have never played such an enormous collection of near-perfect games on one console again.
 
Difficult indeed. I enjoyed both consoles way more than the first Playstation.
Saturn is probably the best console SEGA ever did.. its pretty much a 2D Fighter/Shooter heaven.

That said, I still have to go with N64. Majora's Mask is godly, as is F-Zero X.. and as much as SEGA used to be the king of Racing games back in the day, I'd take Waverace 64 over any Saturn racer anyday.
 
I never actually played Saturn games before - they're kind of rare in Europe AFAIK. I had a look out for them since I've been in Australia, but no luck as of yet :(

What would you guys say are the best games for the Saturn on the shmup side of things?
 
stOex said:
I never actually played Saturn games before - they're kind of rare in Europe AFAIK.

It's not different in Canada. I would say Saturn was nichey in the west in general.
 
Best action adventures-n64 (zeldas) no contest

Best fps's-n64(goldeneye, perfect dark) no contest

Best platformers-n64(mario 64, banjo, conker) no contest

Best racers-n64 (mario kart, diddy kong racing, top gear rally), but saturn was no slouch, albeit nothing competes with top gear rally in that era....nothing. close

Best traditional rpgs-saturn(lots) no contest

Best 3rd person shooters-Neither, saturn(panzer dragoon series), n64(starfox 64, jetforce gemini) draw

Best sports titles-Saturn (but only due to quantity and variety, superstar soccer 64 on n64 remains the best sporting title of the 90's.) close

Simulations...?


Best overall: N64 = winnar
 
I'd also like to add that the N64 would definitely have been the hardest console that generation to own by itself. You HAD to have another console to round out all genres in the 90's.
 
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Nintendo & Sony were dominating the market in the mid 90's, so we only read about the Saturn in the magazines.

Anyone remember the times where the internet did not exist and you actually had to buy a magazine to get the latest news? Good times.
 
Igor Antunov said:
Best racers-n64 (mario kart, diddy kong racing, top gear rally), but saturn was no slouch, albeit nothing competes with top gear rally in that era....nothing. close

Even Gran Turismo?
 
I imported both prior to their official release dates and the Saturn easily wins.

The Saturn has so many great titles, the AM2 arcade conversions alone are worth having the system for and then there's all the great Capcom fighters, Panza Dragoon and Lobotomy software titles. There's just too much good stuff.

The N64 only really has a handful of great titles. After the SNES I found a lot of the N64 versions of franchises to be disappointing. I enjoyed Zelda OoT much less than Zelda LttP. Mario64 while good, was no where as much fun for me as Yoshi's Island. The 3D worlds felt much too sparse and empty, Mario Kart 64 also suffered from this too after coming from the SNES Mario Kart masterpiece. Wave Race64, F-Zero X and Golden Eye were the stand out titles for me on the system. The other Rare titles, while polished, just weren't fun for me. Their annoying collect all X, then collect all Y and then collect all Z on levels just felt more like a chore than entertainment.

I still fire up the Saturn now and then to play the AM2 games, the N64 hasn't been used in years.
 
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