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Scanline screenshot thread. Because 240p is all the p's I need.
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BONKERS
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I couldn't agree more.
The CRT purists who claim all this is wrong and awful and not realistic need to take a step back here.
It's absolutely realistic to a degree based on a TON of different factors.
I've used several dozen different CRTs over the last 20 years and based on the CRT and the input signal and other things. It's absolutely accurate.
Appreciating ONLY Scanlines is a faux pass to begin with when it comes to CRTs. And tricking your mind in to believing that scanlines and adding ugly ass fake scanlines via a scaler is the end all and truest of the true of how retro games and CRTs look is just as asinine and silly.
MightyHedgehog
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I had a save file that was before the end from years and years back...maybe back when this game was first released, but the saves didn't survive all of this time, so they're from the first act.
MightyHedgehog
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Well, for many of us who grew up with CRTs and computer and video game pixel art, this is how retro games should ideally look. It's a strong preference I have for it and this thread is all about scanlines, fake or not. I know that I'm not alone, but I can understand if many see them as some kind of limitation or mild detriment to attaining the best possible image quality, though I cannot find myself agreeing.
Sin and Punishment, RGB-modded N64 via RGB to 14" Panasonic Studio RGB Monitor. Look carefully in the top right corners and again you can seem my lamp in some of the pics... sorry! And I think my reflection is in one of them too
Soul Blade PS1 via PS2-RGB out to the same CRT.
Sonic 3, Genesis, RGB same CRT. Sorry about the amount of Sonic pics... they just look so good with scanlines....
I'm not really sorry
cj_iwakura
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Breathtaking.
I wish that we could just play the games the way that scanlines trick our brains into thinking they look but without the blur.
There's a lot more perceived detail when the pixels get blended together, but it would be great if we could get that end result, just actually sharp and crisp and without those downsides of the blurring.
Like if the games looked like how we perceive
probably looks under the blur.
There's a lot more perceived detail when the pixels get blended together, but it would be great if we could get that end result, just actually sharp and crisp and without those downsides of the blurring.
Like if the games looked like how we perceive
probably looks under the blur.
You're not crazy. In fact, just the opposite... you're deliriously sane:
The Mysterious Murasame Castle (Nazo No Murasamejou), NES VC, 3DS XL. That's the beauty of the 3DS screen... it's natively 240p so there's no scaling on Virtual Console NES games. Those scanlines aren't "fake" via a filter. All 3DS games have them if you play in 2D mode. They're just very fine/difficult to see.
What's interesting is this looks better when it has scanlines, but not at high res. If you have the scanlines then downsample the image, it looks nice.
MightyHedgehog
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Beyond Oasis, Disney's Gargoyles, Forgotten Worlds
Genesis model 1, SCART-RGB-to-component converted on a 27" FD Trinitron
To Far Away Times
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I recently pulled out Megaman X and played it on a real SNES through a 480i CRT TV. I was amazed at how much better the picture looked, even compared to using something like retroarch with a CRT/scanline filter.
It really does make a difference.
It really does make a difference.
Lord British
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Gradius PCE looks great on the 3DS.
Homebrew or is this on the eShop? :O
TheMoon
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Yeah with emulation filters that's usually what I try to do especially since on PC I'm sat much closer to the screen then I ever was with a CRT. I try to tweak the best compromise between accuracy and how the blur blended in my head. I'm never fully satisfied mind you.
That's a shadow mask though, and it looks great. Both phosphor patterns have their own appeal.
New favorite thread? New favorite thread! ^_^
I'm away from my CRTs atm as I'm on vacation, but here's some shots I took over the years:
Olympus OEV203 20" rebranded Sony PVM
I'm away from my CRTs atm as I'm on vacation, but here's some shots I took over the years:
Olympus OEV203 20" rebranded Sony PVM
Sonic 1 - Genesis Model 1 - Non-HD; Good sound rev. RGB
Castlevania Chronicles - PS2 slim - Component
(Tate'd) DoDonPachi - Rev. 2 US Sega Saturn - RGB
Rockman 8 - Rev. 2 US Sega Saturn - RGB
Keio Flying Squadron 2 - Rev. 2 US Sega Saturn - RGB
F-Zero - Rev 2. OG Super NES (embossed Eject text; no idea what chip) - RGB
Super Metroid - Rev 2. OG Super NES (embossed Eject text; no idea what chip) - RGB
Nice job picking up the phosphorescent glow. I love your selection: all games I love.
hydragonwarrior
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I like the scanline pics, but I wish they weren't zoomed in or blown up...
The problem is that it's hard to pick up scanlines with a camera unless you have a rather large CRT... and then you can run into geometry issues.
Many of us have 14" studio monitors because it's really hard to find 20" ones in decent shape that don't cost an arm and leg.
I'll take some fullscreen pictures later. One issue I run in is that the aperture grille creates a moire effect when because camera can't capture all the detail. So I can take slightly out of focus shots to remove that effect, but it results in a less sharp screen. Or I can just deal with the moire effect - just know that's not how it actually looks in person
I haven't played around with it enough, however, so maybe I'll find a solution or a good compromise.
The pictures will be large in order to show the scanlines.
I haven't played around with it enough, however, so maybe I'll find a solution or a good compromise.
The pictures will be large in order to show the scanlines.
Yeah you do loose the effect the further back you take the picture, and were are not screen capping but shooting directly off the screen.
I got my Screens for really good prices to be fair.
This is my Sony 21" Consumer Set, Cost me £9
This is my 14" PVM 14M2E, Cost me £10
This is my 20" JVC Broadcast monitor. Cost me £1 LOL! Geometry is Ridiculously good on this.
Yeah you do loose the effect the further back you take the picture, and were are not screen capping but shooting directly off the screen.
This is my 20" JVC Broadcast monitor. Cost me £1 LOL! Geometry is Ridiculously good on this.
Wow... you are so lucky. Cherish that last one.
Wow! Looking through this thread made me really really want to try and put scanlines in all my games. I've been playing around with retro games lately and couldn't figure out what was missing, but this is it! Pure bliss.
That said, any advice for trying to make my Wii U have scanlines on my sharp 1080p tv? They don't have to be perfect, by any means, but playing Mario Kart 8 or 3D world (or anything, really) like this would be absolutely nuts, even if it's fake and not quite exact. Is the $400 framemeiser worth it? It definitely seems like it, but idk if it would work like I'm imagining it.
That said, any advice for trying to make my Wii U have scanlines on my sharp 1080p tv? They don't have to be perfect, by any means, but playing Mario Kart 8 or 3D world (or anything, really) like this would be absolutely nuts, even if it's fake and not quite exact. Is the $400 framemeiser worth it? It definitely seems like it, but idk if it would work like I'm imagining it.
Has anyone tried hooking a PS3 up to a CRT just for when playing PSOne classics?
I mean, the PS3 actually does a pretty decent job upscaling PSOne games. At least it looks a lot better than on a PS1 directly hooked up to an LCD. But has anyone compared this to playing the games on a CRT on a PS3?
I mean, the PS3 actually does a pretty decent job upscaling PSOne games. At least it looks a lot better than on a PS1 directly hooked up to an LCD. But has anyone compared this to playing the games on a CRT on a PS3?
KDash31987
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They look fine with component cables, but don't have any real scanlines since the PlayStation 3 can't output any lower than 480i. They still look better on a PlayStation 1 or 2.
does the genesis emulator on the sega collection on steam have a scanline option? im not home to check
I miss scanlines
It does actually.
Unfortunate if you only own the PSN version of a PSOne game, which is my case with the PSOne Final Fantasy games. It's either pay $10 for FFVII on PSN, or $50+ for a disc. The disparity is even higher with rare games like Strider 2.
Framemeister works best on 240p sources (e.g. anything pre-Dreamcast) if you use RGB cables. I don't like the way it handles 480i or 480p (for now at least), and it's certainly not designed for HD sources either. Composite also isn't recommended with it. Even though I find it helps with a composite signal, it's not a $400 improvement if you're just going to use composite.
So, if you want to play 240p games from a real console on an HD display, then yes, it's well worth the investment. Otherwise, don't bother. Your HDTV's scaler for other resolutions is probably just as good, if not better than the Mini's for non-240p sources, and it's not worth a $400 gamble to find out, when you could probably just get a gaming quality HD set for almost the same price these days.
Also, I'm not sure if it's capable of drawing scanlines on HD sources. It's adding few frames of input lag for not much visual benefit and it would just look wrong in my opinion.
TheMoon
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I asked that earlier, too. Got no response^^
Damn man, where did you find such ridiculous bargains? That never EVER happens in my world. >_<
TheMoon
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yes ...yes.. yes?
"Close to the real thing" is subjective. I think they look phenomenal even though I have no plans to abandon my CRT.
Well of course but I don't think everyone can get a nice monitor for £1
From what I've seen, they are rather expensive online...