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Screen Digest: "Nintendo behind the next gen curve; isolated from market"

Are these supposed to be remarkably impressive?
Shieeet, they are to me. lol The 360 version I played doesn't look anything like that.

Nintendo just does their own thing. I pretty much got the message with the Gamecube and most definitely the Wii. It's what makes them interesting especially with the way the industry is sometimes.
 
This is real purdy. Is this really what games will look like on Sony Microsoft's next consoles?

I doubt it. This is Skyrim on a PC that more than likely has better specs than what the Next Box and PS4 will bring to the table, and this is also heavily modded to look near photo-realistic like that.
 
You can download your old PSP games onto Vita, but you have to pay a "discounted" price.

I just checked googled though, and wasn't aware it was Japan only?
 

First batch of PS4/Xbox 3 will, at best, look like current PC games on Medium, and most likely be undistinguishable from 360/PS3/WiiU games. Remember the likes of Crackdown and Perfect Dark Zero? It's going to be while before developers get to crank the maximum out of any new generation. Whether they'll bother is another question entirely, considering the financial effort that will be required.

You can download your old PSP games onto Vita, but you have to pay a "discounted" price.

I just checked googled though, and wasn't aware it was Japan only?

Only applies to physical versions (in Japan), digital versions work for free out of the box (in Europe at least).
 
Maybe Nintendo should charge us for 3DS backwards compatibility of our previously purchased DS games.

Referring to how Nintendo is about to charge people again to play their old Wii games on the Gamepad? Let me save you the time, though -There's not a single example you can give that matches the absurdity of being the only corporation that still links purchases to hardware instead of to the user.

Only applies to physical versions (in Japan), digital versions work for free out of the box (in Europe at least).

Previously purchased digital PSP titles work for free on Vita in all regions. No need to call Sony. No need to transfer. Just connect to the store and redownload. The physical copy discount program never came here to the States.
 
Referring to how Nintendo is about to charge people again to play their old Wii games on the Gamepad?

I only know transferring virtual console games from Wii to Wii U is free and you can play them free.

You must be referring to paying $1/$1.50 for the added gamepad feature? Would be nice if free, but you are just grasping for straws.
 
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LTTP WiiU: Welcome to current gen Nintendo.
 
I only know transferring virtual console games from Wii to Wii U is free and you can play them free.

You must be referring to paying $1/$1.50 for the added gamepad feature? Would be nice if free, but you are just grasping for straws.
That's what he does, just ignore him.
 
I only know transferring virtual console games from Wii to Wii U is free and you can play them free.

You must be referring to paying $1/$1.50 for the added gamepad feature? Would be nice if free, but you are just grasping for straws.

Not grasping at straws at all. Just was wondering what you were referring to. As I said, nothing is as bad as the account system imo.

Hi snes.
 
I doubt it. This is Skyrim on a PC that's more than likely has better specs than what the Next Box and PS4 will bring to the table, and this is also heavily modded to look near photo-realistic like that.

Wasn't it also running at single digit FPS too?
 
does anyone really cares that much about smartglass or playstation mobile? I honestly couldn't care less.
 
Who knows really, but I guess the first batch of 720/PS4 games will look like current PC games if you're lucky (rumours hat it will be less powerful than a good gaming PC right now).

Those screens are Skyrim with 100 mods, some of them are pretty intensive, also those just happen to be good screenshots, but 720/PS4 will probably have games looking that good before 3 years.

First batch of PS4/Xbox 3 will, at best, look like current PC games on Medium, and most likely be undistinguishable from 360/PS3/WiiU games. Remember the likes of Crackdown and Perfect Dark Zero? It's going to be while before developers get to crank the maximum out of any new generation. Whether they'll bother is another question entirely, considering the financial effort that will be required.

OK. I kinda got the impression that what can be played on high-end PCs won't be possible on PS4/720 but having games that look like those Skyrim screens would be awesome. Though since I mainly play JRPGs I wonder how many of them will even look like that :x Maybe the next FF?

LTTP WiiU: Welcome to current gen Nintendo.

This quote is starting to get as annoying as the continued use of the GIF.
 
nintendo is doomed has always felt like an inside joke to me, no need to take it so defensively and try to sum up the user base with that.

I think painting it as an inside joke is not really representative of how it's employed. It's almost always used as a reaction to criticism that paints detractors as aloof and out of touch.

"I'm not sure if this Wii U is going to take off."

"LOL, that's what people said about the Wii and DS, and look how wrong they were!"

That's not to say that every single Nintendo fan uses that particular rhetoric, but it is used often. And it doesn't often come across in a winking fashion to fellow Nintendo fans.
 
I wouldn't say Nintendo is doomed, but they're definitely behind the curve. They have been for a while.

They're only behind the curve if you look at them a certain way.

From day one they said they were changing the paradigm, so how can you judge them using the same viewpoint as ever? Even Kinect uses the same old paradigm.
 
Nintendo is behind in many aspects. Is it isolated from the market? I don't think it is.

Gotta love all these bait articles from a number of gaming publications online right after a Nintendo Direct that seemed like a mini E3. Imagine these same publications talking about vaporware and whatnot when other companies announce games, or talking about how a launch console lacks certain features or has issues.

The bias is strong.
 
They're only behind the curve if you look at them a certain way.

From day one they said they were changing the paradigm, so how can you judge them using the same viewpoint as ever? Even Kinect uses the same old paradigm.

I just pictured 80s guy from Futurama.

"I'll handle this, Fry. You get back to the farm, shift some paradigms, revolutionize outside the box."
 
Yep, and even more annoying is when someone posts the gif and gets responses like "lol now Nfans care about graphics?"

I think it's batty, people quote the gif to go "urggh!!! not that gif again!!" it's like guy, you just quoted it, thus moved it down the page.

Anyhow, I think they need to create their own market if the 3rd parties won't play with them. Just accept it and begin promoting those who do, offering them better incentives/rates and publishing games to fill the holes. That's what developers should be scared of, Nintendo creating games in their space. Because generally Nintendo is heads and shoulders a better developer than most others.
 
X |OT| Taking JRPGs to new heights

You know, people like to say this and that about the game's graphics but if the game comes out and gets reviews similar to Xenoblade then however it stacks up graphically doesn't matter.

If you want good, if not great JRPGs then you should pay attention to what Monolith has coming. The people saying "WELCOME TO CURRENT GEN LOL" don't strike me as JRPG fans.
 
First batch of PS4/Xbox 3 will, at best, look like current PC games on Medium, and most likely be undistinguishable from 360/PS3/WiiU games. Remember the likes of Crackdown and Perfect Dark Zero? It's going to be while before developers get to crank the maximum out of any new generation. Whether they'll bother is another question entirely, considering the financial effort that will be required.

Crackdown was nowhere near a first generation title. It looked the way it did simply because it was developed by a small team with limited resources.

Second of all, you're completely mischaracterizing what high end games look like at medium settings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS5sSOcuOzA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oay2oXiXHrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRzHx_XXh18

Current-gen console versions look closer to games like this at high settings than anything else, it's only at Ultra/Very High that a noticeable difference emerges.
 
That wasn't my point. The point is both can (and do) exist. And when it does exist, it's better than a game that's merely just fun, or merely just has great graphics. To your point, though, yes a good game can be hurt by a developer's quest to have amazing graphics (framerate etc). I was just saying that having one doesn't automatically mean you can't have the other, which is an odd argument some people seem to still make.

Absolutely, it's not impossible. But the two generally have an inverse correlation; higher costs means less risk.

If you like risk averse game design, then perhaps nothing is lost for you in particular. As someone who finds almost the entirety of the Xbox 360 and PS3 retail libraries to be boring, that isn't the case for me, and apparently many others.

Third party support isn't innovation, but the developer tools that generated that support sure are. XBL - huge innovation. Achievements also a huge innovation. An e-shop that features smaller, cheaper, downloadable games that all come with a demo to try out before buying is a wonderful innovation. Cross-game chat. The list goes on and on.

Absolutely, Microsoft has innovated in the console space. But some of those are not actually very innovative; many are ideas which already existed in their exact forms on PC or other platforms and simply weren't applied to the console space yet. I'm not saying Microsoft hasn't done anything new -- they have, as stated -- but certainly they have not done anything that was as totally out of left field as the Wii Mote was. Most of their innovations have been iterative rather than disruptive.
 
You know, people like to say this and that about the game's graphics but if the game comes out and gets reviews similar to Xenoblade then however it stacks up graphically doesn't matter.

If you want good, if not great JRPGs then you should pay attention to what Monolith has coming. The people saying "WELCOME TO CURRENT GEN LOL" don't strike me as JRPG fans.
RPGs can have wonderful graphics or presentation but some are notoriously behind in player contribution.

EarthBound is one of my favorite games ever and has a couple of good ideas, but it's still built on top of Mother 1 and Dragon Quest.

Nintendo was at fault for not getting people to see how modern Xenoblade was. They have a chance to turn it around with X.
 
Is Xenoblade ever gonna see a price drop. Played a bit of it at a friend's but I want to own and finish it. Wanna be completely ready for Xenoblade 2.
 
RPGs can have wonderful graphics or presentation but some are notoriously behind in player contribution.

EarthBound is one of my favorite games ever and has a couple of good ideas, but it's still built on top of Mother 1 and Dragon Quest.

Nintendo was at fault for not getting people to see how modern Xenoblade was. They have a chance to turn it around with X.

Nintendo of America was at fault
 
Absolutely, it's not impossible. But the two generally have an inverse correlation; higher costs means less risk.

"Generally" isn't accurate, imo...

There have been so many games this gen that delivered on both fronts that saying this is generally the case just isn't true, at least among what would be considered AAA games. Doesn't matter if they weren't your personal cup of tea. I find platformers like Galaxy and DKCR very boring, but objectively speaking I understand why they've received the accolades they have despite not being my cup of tea.
 
Is Xenoblade ever gonna see a price drop. Played a bit of it at a friend's but I want to own and finish it. Wanna be completely ready for Xenoblade 2.

Nintendo games generally don't see a price drop for a long stretch of time. Furthermore, Xenoblade seems to have had a very limited run. Copies are going on Ebay for well over retail price.

Your best bet is to check local stores. Gamestop will occasionally have a used game in stock online.
 
Nintendo of America was at fault
Nintendo and Iwata himself had several E3s to put it at the forefront and they didn't. Obviously they had no idea how successful the game could be, but now they do.

NoE took a smart risk, but Xenoblade's success alone isn't going to pay for Last Story, Pandora's Tower, etc.
 
I always have Deja Vus when I click a Wii U thread because no matter at what page I click I always see a Baconsammy post complaining about the poorly designed account system. :lol

Not that he's wrong though, it's really bad (not for me though but I understand you all) but it's kind of redundant in my opinion. It's always the same argument when he needs to prove anything, it takes you nowhere in my opinion.
 
I don't understand why the pic of some character walking into a mech a flying of is getting such awe response, and it gets posted repeatedly, whether it makes sense or not.

If it was a character walking into an helicopter and flying off nobody would say it's impressive so I fail to see what's so impressive about that in particular.
 
I don't understand why the pic of some character walking into a mech a flying of is getting such awe response, and it gets posted repeatedly, whether it makes sense or not.

If it was a character walking into an helicopter and flying off nobody would say it's impressive so I fail to see what's so impressive about that in particular.

to be fair it is a nice looking Gif, and people love mechs lol.
 
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