He hates Obama and wants his legacy destroyed. He and the vast majority of republicans in Congress hate that a black man was President and was able to pass healthcare reform. They've never gotten over that and will never get over it. This obsession with repealing the ACA/Obamacare is their racism on full display. If they actually provided a real plan that helped people and was better then Obamacare on all fronts I would think other wise. I really would. They aren't, they're going to hurt people, and the driving force behind that and their lack of giving a single fuck about the people they will harm is their hatred of Obama and it only comes from one single place.
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Senate Republicans to make another attempt at Obamacare repeal
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He hates Obama and wants his legacy destroyed. He and the vast majority of republicans in Congress hate that a black man was President and was able to pass healthcare reform. They've never gotten over that and will never get over it. This obsession with repealing the ACA/Obamacare is their racism on full display. If they actually provided a real plan that helped people and was better then Obamacare on all fronts I would think other wise. I really would. They aren't, they're going to hurt people, and the driving force behind that and their lack of giving a single fuck about the people they will harm is their hatred of Obama and it only comes from one single place.
The same was said about Trump becoming president, but here we are. It would be extremely difficult but not impossible.
HomerSimpson-Man
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Not even more than a damn day to breathe.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Can this piece of shit just disappear already.
There's no rules anymore.
BoogieWoogie
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So what exactly does Graham's bill do?
KojiKnight
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Let them keep trying and failing. Voters are going to get tired of this. Imagine you voted for these republican senators and you had a laundry list of things you wanted them to change. Yes, this is one of those... but imagine if you have 20 things you'd like to see addressed, but they don't get to it because they refuse to go past item #1.
There are going to be a LOT of really unhappy donors come mid-terms.
There are going to be a LOT of really unhappy donors come mid-terms.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
So the article is wrong? They mention using reconciliation for 51 votes
JordanN
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Republicans lost the popular vote in 2016. So to kill healthcare is the only way to bring those numbers down.
That's my only explanation. There's no way a Trumpcare will save more lives than it destroys.
McCain is friends with Graham. He would make it work.
Sectorseven
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I thought congress went on Summer break.
Journeywalker
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I don't think that's correct, based on the tail end of the first thread. That's the funny thing about the Trump tweets about 50 v. 60. They only need 50, meaning at least one of Collins, Murkowski, or McCain.
It's even more evil. That's just collateral damage.
They're after the money. They can't pass tax breaks in reconciliation without the money stripped from the ACA. tax breaks that only benefit about 100 billionaires
ShadowSwordmaster
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This would kill their supporters too.
Username1198
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The only consistent thing dear leader wins at is losing. He's just a straight up loser. SAD!
Aaron Strife
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Even if Democrats just brought the chamber to a 50-50 tie (with Republicans technically still in control thanks to Pence), that would probably be enough to sink any attempt at repealing ACA. The GOP would need to hold every member of their caucus which means they'd need Collins and Murkowski.
Bee tee dubs, McCain won't be voting for the foreseeable future so they'd need one of those two anyway to hit 50. Oops!
Bee tee dubs, McCain won't be voting for the foreseeable future so they'd need one of those two anyway to hit 50. Oops!
Which 8 Dems is Trump talking about? Schumer, obviously, but who else?
Or is this just Trump spouting off at the mouth?
Hahaha!
Or is this just Trump spouting off at the mouth?
Hahaha!
Damn I was hoping we could rest for a while. I have healthcare through my employer so I wouldn't be immediately impacted (although I'm sure premiums would start increasing more quickly) but like any decent human being I don't want to see people who rely on ACA to lose their healthcare.
I think you are over-estimating the American public tbh. Very few of them have anything close to 20 things in their list and most of them can be told "we made new jobs" and they'll eat it.
Yeah, I was going off what gaffers said in the other thread. I hope someone can clear it up.
1. Hillary Clinton
2. Hillary Clinton
3. Barack Obama
4. Chuck Schumer
5. Hillary Clinton
6. Hillary Clinton
7. Hillary Clinton
8. Chelsea Clinton
Haha well played, well played.
He just means 8 in general because the Republicans only have 52 seat, 8 shy of the 60 needed to pass most legislation.
EdibleKnife
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Will repost this topic as many times as I need to.
Because they are just as obsessed and invested as Trump in undermining Obama and other Democrats in this arena. After talking about this for almost a decade they've convinced themselves they have to deliver. They also all come from the inherent perspective that the government should have no hand in the health of their citizens. As long as they hold that view they cannot stop. They must deny Americans healthcare because it's one of their major primary functions at this point. Hard coded programming that cannot be erased.
Because they are just as obsessed and invested as Trump in undermining Obama and other Democrats in this arena. After talking about this for almost a decade they've convinced themselves they have to deliver. They also all come from the inherent perspective that the government should have no hand in the health of their citizens. As long as they hold that view they cannot stop. They must deny Americans healthcare because it's one of their major primary functions at this point. Hard coded programming that cannot be erased.
UberTag
Member
He has the nuke codes. I don't see anyone stopping him from using them if he's so desperate to murder millions of innocent people.
At least with a nuke he could target away from his precious base instead of allowing them to suffer and die without health care like those hated Liberals.
No
You can only pass a reconciliation for each topic once per year but they have not voted on any bill let alone passed one
It's funny since that's the Republican made nickname for it to try to get their base to hate healthcare they didn't have before and wouldn't have under Republicans.
I wonder this every single day.
Look at this government waste. The government isn't the problem, republican led governments are the problem. There are so many issues that need to be resolved and they keep trying to force an unpopular legislation. When is the media going to call out Trump and the Republican leadership for continually wasting taxpayer money?
I'd put good money on Trump hating Obama more for humiliating him at the 2011 White House Corespondents Dinner.
It would be amazing to see the song and dance required to change the laws and conditions so Republicans can do this and ignore opposition, and it would be even more amazing to see the song and dance required to repeal those same changes if the Democrats ever held a majority and the Republicans realized those rules could now be used against them.
The lack of long term thinking on display here is astounding.
The lack of long term thinking on display here is astounding.
ultratruman
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This isn't a zombie, this is goddamn dracula
ShadowSwordmaster
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Unless something happens, McCain is out of the Senate for now.
Huh, they just voted on a bill? Several, actually.
MillionVolts
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Fourth time's the charm?
BoogieWoogie
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Ok, just FYI, McCain is in fact back in Arizona so there's no need to worry about this until September at the earliest and they STILL have to work on taxes and budget stuff.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/28/john-mccain-cancer-treatment-chemotherapy-241099
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/28/john-mccain-cancer-treatment-chemotherapy-241099
ultratruman
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That's right, unless they get Collins or Murkowski's support.
SoRuffShoNuff
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You think McCain wouldn't make sure to be in DC long enough to vote for Graham's bill?
Doesn't believe the news, or reporters. Doesn't believe science. Doesn't believe facts.
"You can't fool me!!"
Believes in the people who open lie to them.
UberTag
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Trump has no concept of long-term thinking. He wants his wins now. Now, now, now. He wants his parades now. He wants to end all of Obama's legacy now. He wants to arrest Hillary now. He wants to fire Mueller now. He wants to lift Russia's sanctions now.
And he doesn't want to work for any of it. Because he won last November so he should get everything he wants. That's how this works, right?
No, they voted on a number of amendments to the AHCA. They did not vote on final passage of anything
Their base will eat up anything as will some moderates because they don't stop to critically think about any of this. Which makes sense given how much Republicans have attacked education. An educated populace doesn't help them stay in power and line their pockets. Which is all they want at the end of the day.
The fact some even realize their loved ones will die if the ACA is repealed but still vote for Republicans anyway is even more baffling to me. And these people really fucking exist. I guess their bigotry that leads them to support Republicans means more to them than their loved ones.