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Senate's McConnell says Obamacare repeal high on agenda.
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uncelestial
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I actually think that what they'll likely do is "replace Obamacare" with something that looks like it but under a different name, so they can take credit for it. Obamacare was originally a Republican idea, it's private-market driven, companies are making money on it. Philosophically, there's nothing toxic about it to Republicans, but it doesn't have their brand on it.
22 Republican governors refused to implement the Medicaid expansion because that was good politics, not because it helped their electorate or served the public interest. It could actually happen that, because the "solution" has an R on it, this logjam gets broken.
22 Republican governors refused to implement the Medicaid expansion because that was good politics, not because it helped their electorate or served the public interest. It could actually happen that, because the "solution" has an R on it, this logjam gets broken.
eBay Huckster
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the first two of those are essentially unenforceable without the mandate
JHoNNy1OoO
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I could actually see that happening and their voters not questioning it at all and just eating it up.
AndrewDean84xX
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That's how I seriously read that, lol
DontBeThatGuy
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I've thought about this, and I could see it happening, and that's very annoying. (but I can also see them going down a much worse route)
Angelus Errare
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Yup.
BoboBrazil
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More power to greedy corporations. Surely that will trickle down like Reagan said right????
PsychoSoldier
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You're not all wrong
It's impossible. Insurance premiums are rising dramatically because despite healthy people being forced to pick up insurance or be fined, they still can't offset all of the unhealthy people actually using their insurance.
So how do you account for those sick people when the healthy ones drop their insurance?
AndrewDean84xX
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A fantastic plan.
The costs have always been going up, even pre-Obamacare. It has not caused costs to go up due to its requirements, in large part the increase is due to pharmaceuticals costs skyrocketing since about 2013 and Congress unwillingness to do anything about it.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/09/22/new-data-show-slow-health-care-cost-growth-continuing
I've been certain for awhile that this is the real motive behind this. They didn't want Dems and especially one under a Black president having the claim that they brought healthcare to people who couldn't afford it. They want to be able to claim that, from 8 years down the line to 100+ years down the line just like they do with "Party of Lincoln".
VistraNorrez
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To keep those, you have to force people to buy insurance. How do you think they pay for people who are actually using their health insurance?
Do people actually believe these are going to be preserved? Preexisting conditions that is. Insurance will be so high per month nobody is going to be able to afford it
Angelus Errare
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They didn't need to. Simply telling people they're going to "replace" it is all they need to to.
Feels bad man. Cancer survivor as well and while I have employer based insurance, god forbid I ever get sick and laid off or I can't go on my wife's insurance, I'm fucked. So as long as I stay employed I'll be ok but it'll be fun to have no safety net available if something unexpected happens in my life.
It can't. Without forcing healthy people to buy insurance, you cannot insure people with pre-existing conditions. The pool of sick people will be outweighed by the pool of healthy people and it won't remain profitable for insurance companies. Kids staying on the plan might stick around but that's best case scenario. Pre-existing condition coverage and no lifetime limits are gone as soon as the insurance companies get the green light to axe them.
SapientWolf
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Those mandates are the only leverage people had. Some of the plans before the law changes were downright predatory.
bender
What time is it?
You should always expect your premiums to rise as you are always getting older. At what rate should be questioned. The last two years of the ACA have been ridiculous and came with a reduction in coverage plans/options as well as reduced amount of health care providers. I'm all for universal health care but the system needs to be built from the ground up and not legislation slapped on top of an already dysfunctional system. Losing protection for people with pre-existing conditions is terrible though.
GiantEnemyGoomba
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I hope in four years liberal people won't be so stupid and elect someone that can improve Obamacare by stopping private companies from being able to profit from people getting hurt.
Hope you like high deductible HSA insurance plans. I mean, sure you get tax free savings for medical bills but you're paying full price for even a basic doctor's visit until you hit that $3-$6k deductible. Also, you get the benefit of still paying a premium for it.
Garrett 2U
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I'm not sure people will be able to afford to complain when automation takes over nearly every industry.
perfectchaos007
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I remember "Romneycare" being a thing during the 2012 election campaign. Trumpcare was never muttered this time though.
RPGCrazied
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20 million people losing health care just like that? That is pretty bad.
RomneyCare is a thing and I still have it, so I'm unaffected by any of this. Not sure if there are other states in similar situations.
Psychoward
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That's fair but I'd rather have failing Obamacare than to go back to where we were.
I'm pretty sure this is what they do with the healthy parts of those 20 million people. Send them an application for a savings account and then brag about how they kept them covered
perfectchaos007
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You in Utah?
mrmickfran
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Trump will just spend the next 8 years undoing everything that Obama has done.
And then the guy after him will bring all of Obama's plans back in place.
And after that, another Republican undoing everything the last guy did.
It's an endless cycle.
And then the guy after him will bring all of Obama's plans back in place.
And after that, another Republican undoing everything the last guy did.
It's an endless cycle.
Night Angel
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We never had leverage.
But how does that happen without the mandate? The insurance industry would be out of business in a year. The only thing they can do is take the mandate out and go back to business as usual.
maabus1999
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Filibuster is going to be a key weapon here.
Reps will try to use reconciliation but a lot of this can't be done.
If they nuke the filibuster, we'll have to see how that shakes out....
Reps will try to use reconciliation but a lot of this can't be done.
If they nuke the filibuster, we'll have to see how that shakes out....
I hope you go bankrupt from medical bills.
I mean I'm honestly fine with it going, but I'd like to know what the alternative is except UHC which is NEVER going to happen with this congress.
People need to quit pushing this narrative. Its a perfectly reasonable system given our situation as a country and the healthcare infrastructure in place. Its not ideal, but it is a foundation that can be worked with.
Problem is Republicans have(rightly) assumed that the complexities of the bill will allow them to get away with actively undermining it in ways that directly raised costs of the ACA and they will not be punished as much for obstructionism as their opponents will for the outcomes of the policies they passed. Even though they are playing a key role in its failure.
They helped gut the ACA with faux attempts and consensus, then vilified to the point of toxicity, defunded aspects of the bill that would help reduce risk and help the marketplaces adjust to new issues through technocratic means.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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This.
Roland_Gunner
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This is going to be a nightmare for small business. One of my buddies has a three employees and they are all on Obamacare. There's no other way for him to ensure them and stay in business. In the past he's said if it was ever repealed, he'd have to lay everyone off and go back to being a sole proprietor.
That's the thing. It became what it was due to compromises pushed by the GOP. Maybe they'll make something better for everyone (I hope they do), but I don't have hope for it.
bender
What time is it?
Selfishly I'd rather be where we were. My first 10 years with my provider saw my premiums double over that period of time (getting old sucks). My first year in ACA gave me a worse plan with a 25% premium hike. This year my provider is no longer available and to get a similar plan to what I had just this past year would nearly double costs. Luckily I can afford that now but that wouldn't have been untenable three years ago.
Unselfishly I'd hate to see people denied insurance for pre-existing conditions and see the return of lifetime maximums
Realistically the genie is out of the bottle. Even repealing Obamacare isn't going to return premiums to what they were or what they should have been if they'd continued to follow pre-Obamacare trends.
We'll never get the reform we need because starting from scratch would sacrifice hundreds of thousands of jobs in the US. Just look at the results of Prop 69 in Colorado (where I live) which was easily defeated. I just don't think you can make something affordable that has so many hands in cookie jar.
Kids keeping on their parents plan is gonna get kicked off. Companies want younger healthy people to pay for older overweight baby boomers.
If you work for a company with an older workforce you can't use your younger employees to try and place a bid.
Its dead.
Psychoward
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That and college loans not being refinanced basically means I'm gonna be an indentured servant the rest of my life.
Thanks Trump.
And this my friends, is the Republican's strategy since 2009 with the ACA bearing the fruit they wanted.
....Obstruct, undermine, vilify, harm and actively help raise costs on the back end and then put the blame at the feet of the Democrats and Obama.
Watch as Democrats eat their own as they don't understand the mechanisms that have led to this that Republicans are largely culpable for, even look to Republicans to save them, while Republicans rally around its repeal and let in-fighting Democrats weaken themselves.
The more i read liberals talking about the ACA, the more I think Republicans repealing it, passing an almost identical bill that incorporates Paul Ryan's Medicare reform(which ironically is largely Obamacare for medicare) but with fixes they obstructed, stronger penalties, worthless Republican talking points they know won't do anything like malpractice caps, HC savings accounts, selling across state lines - and of course plenty industry cash grabs - and then selling it to the American people as TrumpCare seems more and more plausible to me.
uncelestial
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Bruh...
BronzeWolf
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People will lose healthcare. Millions of them. People that were already at risk and many will die.
You are replacing $2,000 premiums for not-eligible can't buy premiums
It would be funny if it wasn't so terrible.
You are replacing $2,000 premiums for not-eligible can't buy premiums
It would be funny if it wasn't so terrible.
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