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TheSeks said:Western Direction != OMG FPS 24/7, guys. Settle down.
Haven't the two most recent departures ended up at 343i(aka the Halo Studio) & id?
TheSeks said:Western Direction != OMG FPS 24/7, guys. Settle down.
wsippel said:While that might be true, I also believe that SPD has some of the most capable guys in the industry. I do understand developers wanting creative freedom, and I would want it too, but I actually don't even think SPD prevents that. Quite a few of the titles they supervise are too innovative for that. But they're paid to nitpick, and that's what many "creative" guys can't stomach, mostly because they're full of themselves. Perfectly understandable, I'm no different.
From what I gather, SPD is basically the same as half of NeoGAF. No matter how great something is, someone will find something to nitpick. We usually discover those issues after the deed is done and the game is released. The guys at SPD are paid to find them during development. As frustrating as that might be for developers, it's actually a very good concept. Unbiased outside opinions from competent and knowledgeable guys are worth a lot.
EatChildren said:Because they, like most people in any creative industry, had the itch to create something for themselves. Metroid and Donkey Kong are great, but still limits to working on an existing IP within the bondaries set by the publisher.
They wanted more freedom, so they went where they needed to go to get it.
Sammy Samusu said:Silicon Knights
From Eternal Darkness to Too Human.
Rare
From many successful and critically acclaimed games to Kinect Sports.
Factor 5
From Rogue Squadron to... nothing.
Armature
In the desert for God knows how long.
There's a trend people.
Nintendo acts as a supervisor and we all know Retro had the chance to create original IPs. The result? Twisted Metal and Madden.
Miyasus had to step in and save the whole company with his Metroid Prime concept.
I respect Retro Studios as programmers, but they can't create shit, and that's why they will stick to classic Nintendo IPs.
Sammy Samusu said:Good luck working on generic games.
SykoTech said:Prime 1 is one of my favorite games ever. I just want Retro to make one more game as incredible as that. The odds just seem to be getting lower though.
But MP2 is better._Alkaline_ said:They did, it's called Metroid Prime 2.
Gamer @ Heart said:Why is this made to be such a big deal? Western Developers constantly move about. If this wasnt a Nintendo owned entity, would we even care?
A Link to the Snitch said:The upcoming Mario Kart 3DS.
GTFO!Shadow of the BEAST said:Going from games like metroid prime to shovelware like mario kart is probably rough.
Good for them, id say. I hope they get better appreciation else where.
Ookami-kun said:...
Are people ignoring certain posts that they somehow miss them?
CoffeeJanitor said:But MP2 is better.
Nirolak said:I decided to check who was still at Retro since Metroid Prime 1.
http://www.abload.de/img/retrofinal7ul3.png
_Alkaline_ said:They did, it's called Metroid Prime 2.
Ninja Scooter said:Are people really citing the fiasco when Retro FIRST opened, over 10 years ago, under a completely different management (the dysfunctional Jeff Spangenburg, who was dispatched by Nintendo and soon after things were turned around). Really? RavenBlade and Car Combat, games that haven't existed in over a decade, are somehow indicative of what THIS Retro would do if given a little creative freedom?
We dont know that for certain with this group. They could have simply gotten amazing offers elsewhere, which is the norm for western devs who like to move. They are as much a part of Nintendo as an EAD team. It shouldn't be expected that they get to make anything they want.A Link to the Snitch said:The difference here is that Nintendo is driving them away.
Is there even any bigger Western developer with noteworthy continuity staff wise? Staff fluctuation seem high by default in the west unless the developer's staff is the same that runs the whole thing instead some alien management.SykoTech said:Profound Sadness.
Gamer @ Heart said:We dont know that for certain with this group. They could have simply gotten amazing offers elsewhere, which is the norm for western devs who like to move. They are as much a part of Nintendo as an EAD team. It shouldn't be expected that they get to make anything they want.
DO WANTsubversus said:Commander Keen reboot confirmed.
Does NOA have any say in development? Even all the partnerships like with next level games are done through NCL.Shikamaru Ninja said:I would say they are as much a part of Nintendo as Nintendo of America. Working for EAD is another level. You are talking about 27 years and maybe two turnovers??? Maybe?
Gamer @ Heart said:Does NOA have any say in development? Even all the partnerships like with next level games are done through NCL.
he's a suck up_Alkaline_ said:I like you.
DragonKnight said:Metroid Prime is the greatest game ever created. That is all
Edit: Another prime example of nintendo really holding their own studios back. Yeah the games are great but they could also be something far greater
Andrex said:Wait, did I miss where it was confirmed Retro did in fact work on a first person Zelda game? Did anything leak from that? Because that sounds like a pretty cool idea at first, but would seem like a lame thing to make a whole game around.
DragonKnight said:Metroid Prime is the greatest game ever created. That is all
CodeBlue said:They're a super talented group of people, they just lack direction, and Nintendo provides that.
But Quadraxis hates us, and that's all that matters._Alkaline_ said:I like you.
I believe a lot of the dudebro decisions were from the amount of stupid people doing Halo vs. Metroid wars. Back during 2004-2007 there were a lot of people saying stupid things about making Metroid more dudebro. Along with Nintendo's more casual/expanded audience push, I'm sure that's why Retro made those kind of decisions.nincompoop said:Don't know why people are so surprised that Retro is filled with wannabe dudebro designers, it was pretty obvious after playing Metroid Prime 3.
Ookami-kun said:Nintendo is being headed by an alien dog?
Holy fuck, are you serious with this shit?Shadow of the BEAST said:Going from games like metroid prime to shovelware like mario kart is probably rough.
Good for them, id say. I hope they get better appreciation else where.
Nirolak said:I feel there's a very large difference between losing some people and the image I made.
They could still end up being a good studio, certainly, but they're definitely not who they once were.
Mike Wikan has been the from the very beginning and he was still there after those who walked out before DKCR, and now he's gone too? It's not like this is just anyone._Alkaline_ said:Why stress about people leaving Retro anyway? DKCR only came out last year and it was some of their best work yet.
I'll wait until they actually put out something in the vicinity of mediocre before I start getting concerned.
DKCR just released last year and was great.TheExplodingHead said:Wow, this really makes me sad to think of Retro's future and what it could have been had Nintendo let them do a new IP... The A-Team is pretty much disbanded at Retro now with Pacini and his guy's gone and now Kynan and Mike gone. I guess it's all eye's on Nintendo to see if they can put equivalent talent into those slots and produce the same great games.
CoffeeJanitor said:DKCR just released last year and was great.
snesfreak said:Holy fuck, are you serious with this shit?
Mario Kart is NOT fucking shovelware.
_Alkaline_ said:Why stress about people leaving Retro anyway? DKCR only came out last year and it was some of their best work yet.
I'll wait until they actually put out something in the vicinity of mediocre before I start getting concerned.
Yeah, but they are hiring so it looks like they want new blood. Hell even NST seems to be starting up again as they have open positions across the board.[Nintex] said:Ah I was wondering about this guy after the 343i story Shiggy never dissapoints.
Honestly though, Retro Studios is doomed. They lose like a ton of their best guys after every game ships.