Support NeoGAF

[Fey]

Why is it that so many people misunderstand or misinterpret things when it comes to Nintendo? Why does this happen so often? What's the common denominator, I wonder...

This is reminding of all those threads where people had to fight to get others to "understand" that Nintendo's advertising of the Wii U was clear and easy to get. And we all know how that turned out.

News flash: if you have to argue to get people to understand how genius your course of action is, the battle is already lost.

There is clearly a widespread perception that Nintendo is not having a conference and this is being seen as a bad thing. Yet another bad thing in a long list of bad things plaguing Nintendo this year. And people can complain all they want about gamers and journalists just not getting it, but that changes nothing.

Why is it such a big issue if they're getting such negative press now? Regardless of that fact, if Nintendo pulls off good presentations/announcements, it'll be positive responses from then on, and it won't matter if this decision was seen as a bad thing before it actually happened. This may be seen a negative thing now, and yes that sucks, but it won't effect whether or not Nintendo pulls off great presentations.

It's not Nintendo's fault that articles may twist what they have said to mean "No conference" when they have clearly said there still will be.
If Nintendo just said "We won't be having a live presentation at E3" and left it at that, then ok, they screwed up. But they didn't.

 

[Meelow]

Sensational writers looking for hits as usual. You know you don't have to believe everyhing on the internet, right? If random gaf users and mods can read and understand such things, so should these so called journalists. But it's a while until the event and they need some stories right now. An announcement for a simple change of plans wouldn't get that much attention. Again, this doesn't speak of how good their showing will or won't be, just that it obviously will occur, with press access and everything. It could be shit with and without a conference.

I saw on IGN and they made it look really bad, the title was "Nintendo not having a E3 2013 Conference this year" with "bad news" or something.

IGN clearly could of worded the title more better.

 

[wsippel]

I saw on IGN and they made it look really bad, the title was "Nintendo not having a E3 2013 Conference this year" with "bad news" or something.

IGN clearly could of worded the title more better.

This is IGN's main article on the subject right now: Nintendo’s E3 Bombshell: It’s Going to Be Okay

Regardless, for avid followers of the Big N, this news is disappointing at best. But shock and letdown aside, when you think about it, it’s really not as big of a deal as it feels like… and it actually makes more sense than you might initially think.

 

[Alexios]

Ign's first report was ok by me. People shouldn't only read the title.

The rest of the report was just of ordinary press release style and didn't exclude any of the information or add commentary about how they won't have shit to show or whatever made up shit as far as I saw.

Clearly the ign guys read the whole thing and didn't see it as significant enough for padded commentary until they saw other sources report it in such a weird manner so they made the article linked above.

Shit, now apparently we have to put pressure on Nintendo to clarify their whole E3 plan in detail this early just because if they don't we should assume they won't be there/won't have things for the press/whatever lol.

I wouldn't call Sessler a sensationalist journo tho.

Why not, lol. People love him for his sensationalism, like those things with Reggie. Being challenging is one thing, acting like a brat rather than a professional just to gain internet dudebro wannabe cred another.

He's doing much the same here, just to have all the fanboys (of every company except Nintendo) nod in agreement and praising him for telling it like it is as they spew more bs about Nintendo waving the white flag and the rest to spur more of the discussion that's been going in circles in two multi page threads on GAF alone. Again, something a mere press release copy paste job with little to add wouldn't do without spinning it to hell and back.

 

[Spinluck]

As long as a I see Smash Bros, Zelda U, and Mario U. I'm good.

 

[Paul Alexander]

100% disagree. This might be the most progressive move by Nintendo as a company since the Wii came out.

- It's an acknowledgment that they're not in direct competition with Sony and Microsoft - something every industry analyst and developer has known for at least 12 months. Their focus should be on engaging their core audience, and doing a long-term reevaluation of their approach to the broader Wii demographic. They should be more concerned about Apple than Sony or Microsoft. (They should all be more concerned about Apple than one another, but whatever.)

- They've established a better means of reaching fans and controlling their message with Nintendo Directs. The "NDs are preaching to the choir" folks are a) overestimating the impact of E3's mainstream coverage, b) ignoring the fact that every games outlet reports on Nintendo Directs and c) forgetting that last year's Nintendo E3 presser was a joke, and that they'll likely look even sillier now being compared to the next-gen consoles. It *looks* now like Nintendo gets that. Perhaps they've also tired of being characterized by the games press, whether it's well-deserved or not, as being "for babies" or intrinsically inferior to the other Big Two. In whose interest is it to try to play Keeping Up With the Joneses with Sony/MS on the E3 stage? In this last half-decade - their most profitable ever - Nintendo rarely played by the rules when it came to hitting "industry standard" shows. Hearing Sessler and co. cry EMERGENCY! NINTENDO WHAT ARE YOU DOING YOU HAVE TO GET ONSTAGE just reminds me of Joe Pesci in Goodfellas drunkenly demanding that Spider dance for him while he shoots at his feet. Nintendo doesn't *have* to dance for anyone in 2013, and certainly not at a bloated, outmoded venue like E3. The rules are different.

- Long term, I think this is an acknowledgment on the part of Nintendo that they really dropped the ball on WiiU's branding and outreach; this may be the *very* beginning of them moving away from WiiU and attempts to engage Sony/MS directly, and trying something different.

 

[jdmonmou]

Probably a smart move for Nintendo to make this year. Their past couple of press conferences have been pretty bad. Also, they know they'll look foolish for showing off current-gen looking software while Microsoft and Sony will be showing off spectacular looking games. If a product isn't very good, then limit its exposure to limit the amount of negative press. Nintendo's waving the white flag with this move.

 

[Mpl90]

I don't know if possibly related to the whole discussion, but I'll post this here: 2K won't have a booth at this year's E3.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

100% disagree. This might be the most progressive move by Nintendo as a company since the Wii came out.

- It's an acknowledgment that they're not in direct competition with Sony and Microsoft -

Whether Nintendo likes it or not they are in direct competition with Sony and MS.

 

[Penguin]

Probably a smart move for Nintendo to make this year. Their past couple of press conferences have been pretty bad. Also, they know they'll look foolish for showing off current-gen looking software while Microsoft and Sony will be showing off spectacular looking games. If a product isn't very good, then limit its exposure to limit the amount of negative press. Nintendo's waving the white flag with this move.

I've never got this argument...

They spent the better part of a decade showing off fitness games and motion sports titles at e3.. at sub-HD

And had no issue with that either.

I don't think ExciteTruck and Wii Music were wowing people against Gears of War and Uncharted

 

[Paul Alexander]

Whether Nintendo likes it or not they are in direct competition with Sony and MS.

that doesn't mean that their core strategy should be engaging Sony/MS-first users and attempting to pilfer them. In a general sense, yes, all game consoles are in competition with one another, but I disagree that it is "direct" competition. It hasn't been for some time.

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

Gametrailers seem to have no issue with Nintendo Direct content

http://www.gametrailers.com/3ds

they just break them all up into tiny videos

So does IGN and every other gaming site. The idea that Nintendo isn't going to get the same coverage because it's in a 90 minute direct vs a 90 minute live presentation is hilarious.

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

That would only make sense if the press event is before E3. It seems like the press event is being held during E3 though...

Nintendo had a Pre e3 press conference last year. It's where they went into detail of the Game Pad

http://www.vg247.com/2012/06/03/nintendos-pre-e3-wii-u-press-conference-live-at-11pm-bst/

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

They are absolutely trying to kill off the press and remove them from the equation. They can't do that yet, hence them having to deal with them at E3. But it's so blindingly obvious that Nintendo's dream scenario is for people to only hear about Nintendo products directly from Nintendo themselves.

Is that way Sessler was invited by Nintendo to play LTTP2 after it was announced in a Nintendo Direct?

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

There's a huge difference between a recorded video of developers and a developer coming up on stage demonstrating the game.

If you don't get the big publishers on stage shaking hands with you, how are you going to show that they still support you?

LOL 3rd party publishers have been shaking hands with Nintendo for years. That didn't make them support the Wii or the Wii U.

 

[mclem]

Having attended a few E3s myself... as press and as retail... I can tell you with very firm honesty that many of these so-called games journalists do NOT really play the games on display. If they did, more of them would have known God Hand existed before it was released, as a specific example. It was playable on the show floor with at least four stations, and it was incredible. No one was playing it, because it wasn't in the narrative.

They will now jump in and tell you how they don't have time. They aren't able to check out the games they want to, etc. but I was there and watched it first hand. They're full of shit. Many are lazy, not very interested, and they are really just there to go to parties, see their PR and journalist friends and have a good time. Very few care about you as a reader and attend to do actual work.

I'm reminded of how Scribblenauts was pretty much nowhere in the coverage at the start of E3 but as word got out more and more people somehow managed to find the time to look at it.

 

[StevieP]

I don't think ExciteTruck and Wii Music were wowing people against Gears of War and Uncharted

Wii Music was pretty shit, but ExciteTruck was THE shit. I'd much rather play that than homogenous shootbang.

 

[Penguin]

Wii Music was pretty shit, but ExciteTruck was THE shit. I'd much rather play that than homogenous shootbang.

I love Truck, prefer Bots..

But was one of the first Wii games shown in the montage.. it's a lot of things, but it isn't a looker.. especially since think sony debut Motorstorm for Ps3 that same year

 

[Meelow]

Looks like Nintendo is starting a trend, but more than what Nintendo is doing.

2K Won't even have a booth this year.

The news that 2K won't have a booth at E3 is a little sad if only because I would go there to eat free food the last couple of E3s

 

[Calamari41]

Yep. And whose fault is this?

Ok, I think we all get what you're saying and agree. Nintendo hasn't had the best results when it comes to press attention or accurate reporting. It's not interesting to hear you point that out nonstop. What would be interesting would be to hear what you think they should do to combat that. When an incredibly, mind-numbingly clear press release (like this E3 Conference one) is released, and a guy like Sessler converts it into the headline "NINTENDO QUITS E3, WILL NOT SHOW GAMES," I do not know what they could have done differently. Can you tell us what you think?

 

[StevieP]

I love Truck, prefer Bots..

But was one of the first Wii games shown in the montage.. it's a lot of things, but it isn't a looker.. especially since think sony debut Motorstorm for Ps3 that same year

Bots was fantastic as well - and this is part of the issue with the videogames medium as a whole. Having played all 3 titles extensively, Excite was the much better title in comparison to motorstorm, CG and subsequent real visual trailers be damned.

I know we're a visual medium, but I'd say the way a title plays and its fun factor is far more important, and only a hands-on from the gaming press could provide that... The fact that the press ate up one over the other is why Nintendo is sitting out the live conference, basically, and releasing info directly.

 

[Wynnebeck]

Ign's first report was ok by me. People shouldn't only read the title.

The rest of the report was just of ordinary press release style and didn't exclude any of the information or add commentary about how they won't have shit to show or whatever made up shit as far as I saw.

Clearly the ign guys read the whole thing and didn't see it as significant enough for padded commentary until they saw other sources report it in such a weird manner so they made the article linked above.

Shit, now apparently we have to put pressure on Nintendo to clarify their whole E3 plan in detail this early just because if they don't we should assume they won't be there/won't have things for the press/whatever lol.

Why not, lol. People love him for his sensationalism, like those things with Reggie. Being challenging is one thing, acting like a brat rather than a professional just to gain internet dudebro wannabe cred another.

He's doing much the same here, just to have all the fanboys (of every company except Nintendo) nod in agreement and praising him for telling it like it is as they spew more bs about Nintendo waving the white flag and the rest to spur more of the discussion that's been going in circles in two multi page threads on GAF alone. Again, something a mere press release copy paste job with little to add wouldn't do without spinning it to hell and back.

We've gotten to the point where we are calling Adam Sessler out because he's telling it like it is and then the man says in the same breath that he likes Nintendo? Some people are way too invested in this.

 

[Alexios]

We've gotten to the point where we are calling Adam Sessler out because he's telling it like it is and then the man says in the same breath that he likes Nintendo? Some people are way too invested in this.

No, and no, I dunno what post you were reading but it can't have been mine. If you think he's telling it like it is, that's on you, not me.

 

[Calamari41]

We've gotten to the point where we are calling Adam Sessler out because he's telling it like it is and then the man says in the same breath that he likes Nintendo? Some people are way too invested in this.

Adam Sessler is being called out because he took a press release wherein Nintendo clearly said that they are splitting their usual pre-E3 Press Conference into three conferences specifically tailored to 1) Investors/Distributors, 2) The Holy Press, and 3) The Gamers Themselves, and went on to tell his followers that Nintendo has announced that they are quitting E3 and not showing games.

At the best he completely misinterpreted Nintendo in an amazingly incompetent way. At worst he is lying in order to work people up and get hits. Either way he is completely, and verifiably, incorrect. The prevailing defense for this seems to be "LOL that's Nintendo's problem! Proves that they R dum!"

Come on man.

If I am wrong, then over the course of this entire thread nobody has been able to articulate how so. "Come on man" doesn't do anything for me. If I am wrong I will gladly admit it. I am not above missing something.

Edit: I just watched the whole thing again. He straight up says "They NEED to show games" and that he doesn't understand why they aren't doing it. The arguments of the people in this thread who watched it and agree that they can't understand why Nintendo isn't showing games at E3 is all you need to see to understand how Sessler is presenting this. Watch it again. You are right that he technically mentions the two different conferences, but he goes on to describe them completely inaccurately. At the VERY least his headline is incredibly misguiding. "Why are they skipping their E3 Press Conference?" They're not. They're doing it a different way. If Nintendo had just announced "Guess what? Our press conference is getting rid of all of the investor and distributor data that nobody likes hearing," this board would be ecstatic. That's exactly what is happening.

 

[PBY]

Adam Sessler is being called out because he took a press release wherein Nintendo clearly said that they are splitting their usual pre-E3 Press Conference into three conferences specifically tailored to 1) Investors/Distributors, 2) The Holy Press, and 3) The Gamers Themselves, and went on to tell his followers that Nintendo has announced that they are quitting E3 and not showing games.

At the best he completely misinterpreted Nintendo in an amazingly incompetent way. At worst he is lying in order to work people up and get hits. Either way he is completely, and verifiably, incorrect

Come on man. He breaks down the three conferences you noted in the video. He's not reporting anything wrong. You might disagree with his conclusions, but his job isn't just to be a mouthpiece- he's providing opinions.

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

Never in my life have I wanted to get down on my knees and fellate Adam Sessler to completion more than I do right at this very moment. That is how much I agree with him.

Sure, Nintendo is still going to present their big hitting software in some form. We are going to see the games, and we are going to get the games. But that is only a part of the PR machine that is E3, and at a time when they're weakest, Nintendo cannot afford to appear inferior to Sony and MS in any way, and that's exactly what their move is going to look like to the typical gamer.

I can see the headlines now. Allow me to set the stage:



This will be how Nintendo's move is skewed in the press come E3. I guarantee it. If you think the press will do the work to paint Nintendo's abandoning of the keynote as a good thing, you're just as naive as Iwata.

I agreed with Sessler the most when he said it's about saving face. E3 is a big, important event. And if you're a gaming company with something big and important to show, you show up there, and you show big. Nintendo knows this, and they've showed big before in the past when they knew they had something. Not having a keynote at E3 seems more like a cop-out than a smart, calculated move. You can't help but feel like Nintendo would be showing at E3 if they felt that had something big. And that's how it's going to come off to the general public.

What the what? The press is going to go crazy over Sony and Microsoft's press conference, but they'll ignore the private event Nintendo is having just for them? This makes absolutely NO SENSE

 

[Wynnebeck]

Adam Sessler is being called out because he took a press release wherein Nintendo clearly said that they are splitting their usual pre-E3 Press Conference into three conferences specifically tailored to 1) Investors/Distributors, 2) The Holy Press, and 3) The Gamers Themselves, and went on to tell his followers that Nintendo has announced that they are quitting E3 and not showing games.

At the best he completely misinterpreted Nintendo in an amazingly incompetent way. At worst he is lying in order to work people up and get hits. Either way he is completely, and verifiably, incorrect. The prevailing defense for this seems to be "LOL that's Nintendo's problem! Proves that they R dum!"

I have to question if you even watched the video because in no way did Adam Sessler announce that Nintendo was quitting E3 and not showing games. The man gave reasons why this looks bad to investors and consumers and why he didn't think it was a good idea. It sounds like people are upset over how people are not automatically agreeing that this is a good idea and are now attacking people over not understanding what Nintendo is saying. People understand, but that doesn't excuse Nintendo.

EDIT: You are misunderstanding what Sessler is saying now. He's saying that Nintendo needs to show games at a CONFERENCE. Not a Nintendo Direct. Not three separate shows segregating everyone. Together in one show.

 

[royalan]

What the what? The press is going to go crazy over Sony and Microsoft's press conference, but they'll ignore the private event Nintendo is having just for them? This makes absolutely NO SENSE

Then read it again, because that is not what I implied in any way, shape, or form.

 

[Daingurse]

Then read it again, because that is not what I implied in any way, shape, or form.

Dude, you can't win with these guys. Their too emotionally invested, their too close to it I guess. Pure delusion.

 

[pvpness]

I don't know if possibly related to the whole discussion, but I'll post this here: 2K won't have a booth at this year's E3.

Well yeah, makes a lot of sense. They know GTA v can't compete with saints row 4. If it was going to be big, they'd show up big at the super bowl of video games. So they're waving the white flag. That's how the general public will see it anyway.

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

The only thing they lose is the Spike TV coverage and the exposure that brings and that's even an unknown. I'm sure they could broadcast a Nintendo Direct in the space they would normally dedicate to the press conference, and then bring in commenters to discuss it just like they do with the normal pressers.

 

[PBY]

Then read it again, because that is not what I implied in any way, shape, or form.

Pretty much. We have arrived at a place where the only two options are:
-Coverage EXACTLY like last year or
-No coverage at all

I think thats a completely false dichotomy, and, I think you put it very well, there are issues that we don't know how the press will ultimately respond to.

 

[Calamari41]

EDIT: You are misunderstanding what Sessler is saying now. He's saying that Nintendo needs to show games at a CONFERENCE. Not a Nintendo Direct. Not three separate shows segregating everyone. Together in one show.

I learned in this thread that misunderstanding someone is the fault of the person who was misunderstood, so shame on Sessler!

Seriously though if that is the case, I just disagree with him completely for reasons that have been stated again and again and again in this thread. Nobody is going to care what the name of the link they click on is called when they watch Nintendo's E3 Presentation. The games will be showed to the press. The games will be shown to the gamers. Everybody who wants to see the games will see them at their event.

 

[Wynnebeck]

I learned in this thread that misunderstanding someone is the fault of the person who was misunderstood, so shame on Sessler!

Seriously though if that is the case, I just disagree with him completely for reasons that have been stated again and again and again in this thread. Nobody is going to care what the name of the link they click on is called when they watch Nintendo's E3 Presentation.

*sigh* And AGAIN, none of you are understanding that Nintendo's E3 coverage is going to be in Nintendo Directs, the same shows that he called an "echo chamber" because no one outside of hardcore Nintendo fans watch them. Nothing else needs to be said.

 

[Alexios]

*sigh* And AGAIN, none of you are understanding that Nintendo's E3 coverage is going to be in Nintendo Directs, the same shows that he called an "echo chamber" because no one outside of hardcore Nintendo fans watch them. Nothing else needs to be said.

*sigh* And AGAIN, they will have press events and press play sessions etc for the press to then report on in the usual outlets if they deem it interesting enough (just like a conference, by itself it's not guarantee of exposure vs two all new system blowouts if it doesn't have good things people wanna talk and write about, so it all depends on what Nintendo has to show every time, since every time they will show it, whatever the method chosen), which aren't an echo chamber. And we don't know if they will have a Direct or something else but we can be reasonably sure that too will be mentioned everywhere as part of any outlet's E3 coverage, just like a conference.

All we really know for a fact is they have something at/from/for E3 for everyone, be it journalist, retailer or gamer. Assuming it's all going to be bad is a whole other thing, and something that can be assumed of a regular conference just as easily, which is why it's silly to harp on how bad this is and how the sky is falling and how Nintendo is making such a bad choice or whatever else based on such an assumption. If they handle it so badly, that's on them. Just as when they handle a conference badly. The intent is to have something for everyone on a global level, contrary to the assumption which seems to be they have nothing for anyone spreading as a fact. Of course that is also the intent of any regular conference. So of course, they're merely changing methodology for the same goal. Which with either method may or may not work out based on many factors. Simple sense.

Why the sighing after wanting to put down others for being too invested? Maybe now you'll realize having gaming forum arguments, maybe even seemingly heated ones, doesn't require any particular investment.

 

[Calamari41]

*sigh* And AGAIN, none of you are understanding that Nintendo's E3 coverage is going to be in Nintendo Directs, the same shows that he called an "echo chamber" because no one outside of hardcore Nintendo fans watch them. Nothing else needs to be said.

Can you quote the Nintendo release where they say they are just going to release Nintendo Directs? Also please provide evidence that "only hardcore Nintendo fans" watch the Directs. Even if that were true, are you suggesting that the gaming media doesn't report on them? Are you aware that there is a Link to the Past sequel coming out soon? A guy named Adam Sessler had a huge report on it.

All the big publishers will have play sessions. Really, I just don't think we can say how this will affect them to be honest.

Bingo. We need to see how this works before we start going nuts. At the very least, there's no point in having another Conference like their last two. No point at all.

 

[PBY]

*sigh* again, they will have press events and press play sessions for the press to then report on in the usual outlets if they deem it interesting, which aren't an echo chamber.

All the big publishers will have play sessions. Really, I just don't think we can say how this will affect them to be honest.

 

[vdoggie]

lmfao @whoever said it makes nintendo look inferior... did you forget about the wii bro???? this board never fails when you need a good laugh!!!!

 

[PBY]

lmfao @whoever said it makes nintendo look inferior... did you forget about the wii bro???? this board never fails when you need a good laugh!!!!

What does this even mean?

 

[royalan]

lmfao @whoever said it makes nintendo look inferior... did you forget about the wii bro???? this board never fails when you need a good laugh!!!!

Yep. The continued failure of its direct successor is making me forget about it just a little.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I saw on IGN and they made it look really bad, the title was "Nintendo not having a E3 2013 Conference this year" with "bad news" or something.

IGN clearly could of worded the title more better.

Ironic how how they label that "bad news" when it's not exactly cut and dry as to whether it is or not(this board itself is divided) yet label Rayman Legends getting delayed several months as "very interesting news"(the impact of that news WAS cut and dry as being negative).

Everyone would say that IGN was shit and I don't go by what everyone says and didn't see it but they are starting look more and more shady.

Unfortunate as they sometimes seem the last of the big media that actually gives a dam about the Wii U.

Nevermind if Meelow lies.

 

[PBY]

Ironic how how they label that "bad news" when it's not exactly cut and dry as to whether it is or not(this board itself is divided) yet label Rayman Legends getting delayed several months as "very interesting news"(the impact of that news WAS cut and dry as being negative).

Everyone would say that IGN was shit and I don't go by what everyone says and didn't see it but they are starting look more and more shady.

Unfortunate as they sometimes seem the last of the big media that actually gives a dam about the Wii U.

Did you read the IGN article? Not at all what Meelow was saying it was

 

[EmCeeGramr]

I think vdoggie's superbly eloquent argument is that that Nintendo stood up and showed GameCube graphics on a global stage at E3 for a series of 6 years between 2005 and 2011, and this precedent indicates that any withdrawal from a press conference is not primarily based on fears of comparative technical inadequacy.

 

[Calamari41]

Yep. The continued failure of its direct successor is making me forget about it just a little.

You may have missed when I asked earlier, but I would be interested in hearing what you think Nintendo should do differently, or should have done differently in this specific case, to keep press outlets from misrepresenting their announcements.

Back again I see.

He thought he heard techno and saw flashing lights coming from the thread.

 

[Carpe Diem]

Dude, you can't win with these guys. Their too emotionally invested, their too close to it I guess. Pure delusion.

Back again I see.

 

[Mpl90]

I think vdoggie's superbly eloquent argument is that that Nintendo stood up and showed GameCube graphics on a global stage at E3 for a series of 6 years between 2005 and 2011, and this precedent indicates that any withdrawal from a press conference is not primarily based on fears of comparative technical inadequacy.

You basically transformed garbage into a diamond. It's amazing.

 

[Nibiru]

Let's be honest, we get all excited about E3 but most people don't. In the grand scheme of things this means nothing imo. What is more important are a steady stream of announcements that get picked up from the usual sites. The E3 presentations are just for us hardcore's.

 

[pvpness]

I think vdoggie's superbly eloquent argument is that that Nintendo stood up and showed GameCube graphics on a global stage at E3 for a series of 6 years between 2005 and 2011, and this precedent indicates that any withdrawal from a press conference is not primarily based on fears of comparative technical inadequacy.

I move that EmCeeGramr translate all future incomprehensible posts. Well done sir.

 

[Daingurse]

Back again I see.

Never said I was leaving for good. Just gave up trying to convince people of anything, which I have.

 

[Vol5]

With the Wii U sales? Lost cause. This isn't a MASSIVE suprise

...and no suprise they are really pushing the 3DS.

Wii U is over...