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Shadow of the Colossus Trailer PS4 (E3 2017)
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Barrel Cannon
Member
The main reason to still hold onto the original is the difficulty is still as originally intended. It's a shame they never patched the grip issue. Game was definitely harder on PS3 than on PS2. Hopefully the team goes back to original and figures out what the issue was and resolves it on the PS4 remaster
SallyIsNow
Banned
Dat music. Hnnnng. Fine. I guess it's time to go over all the OST again today.
Deckard Chapel
Banned
That would be so awesome if it actually happens!!
Swift Horse needs to be put into the actual game, instead of the end credits.
One of the most epic tunes in all of gaming.
One of the most epic tunes in all of gaming.
Nope.
This is proof enough that the PS3 version is indeed superior to the PS2 version.
We don't know that yet. Most likely a consultant or something along those lines if he is involved tho.
Fushichou187
Member
I'm hearing reports from people at E3 that Shu has characterized this as a full remake with an updated control scheme. It looks like a remaster to me (which is 100% fine) and if they're re-tooling controls then even better.
Edit: I guess remake might be a better term for it if the PS3 version was an HD remaster and this looked to be leagues past that.
Edit: I guess remake might be a better term for it if the PS3 version was an HD remaster and this looked to be leagues past that.
I'm glad I got to revisit the game on PS3 so many years after first completing it, but agreed that if they don't fix the control/grip/physics problem from that remaster, then I have no interest in this. There were a couple Colossi that just took forever to bring down because of that. It just wasn't fun.
I have no idea where it could be put to use in the game. I figure Ueda thought it had no place in the finished game, or just didn't fit in, or maybe flat out didn't like it. Like the "Final Battle" bonus track, which I assume it was meant to be played during the second half of Colossus #16, but instead Demise of the Ritual is played again.
NemesisHunter
Member
I'm hoping that if this is indeed treated as a remake, they can add some meaningful changes to the control scheme, and even add Colossi/gameplay ideas that were scrapped from the original game due to technical constraints, lack of funding and lack of time.
In other words, broaden the vision of the original design that Ueda was unable to do at the time but always wanted to.
In other words, broaden the vision of the original design that Ueda was unable to do at the time but always wanted to.
SomePerson
Member
The third colossus on HTA in the HD version is damn near impossible to beat. It drives me crazy that they couldn't have at least patched in a few extra seconds to that colossus if they weren't going to fix the slipping issue. It took me over six hours of replaying that colossus to finally beat the HTA. You flat out needed to manipulate the colossus AI at times just to have any chance of getting a good time and then you pretty much had to pray to the RNG that you'd have a good run. I just barely managed to beat it after hours of attempts and even then I only did so with like five seconds left. It's still one of my most frustrating gaming moments. I mean, I used to re-do the HTA on the PS2 over and over again because of how much fun I had with it. Now I never want to touch it again and if this remake has the same issue, I won't be attempting it again.
SallyIsNow
Banned
These Bluepoint projects ever get special editions?
Fushichou187
Member
Sony Boss Shuhei Yoshida Clarifies Shadow of the Colossus On PS4 Is A Remake Not A Remaster
Well there you go.
Even money says they're also going to address the grip issues, etc..
Well there you go.
Even money says they're also going to address the grip issues, etc..
I figure they have a long way to go nail things.
Yeap I feel the same.
100% Agree with this post.
I figure they have a long way to go nail things.
Noticed this right off the bat too. It's of course nowhere NEAR as bad as Fluffy Bear Jesus. Still, my only hope is that they don't just say "nah that's good enough" and let the visuals rest here. Please keep improving, BluePoint.
Glad for the confirmation. I'm still beyond hyped for this and truly hope they do it justice. I have faith in you, BluePoint.
raviolico
Member
"not much involved" could be read as "a bit involved".
Consultor, advisor etc. At least i hope this will his Input.
SallyIsNow
Banned
No way there's ever a sequel.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
The grip 'issue' is because they were porting the EU version of the game, which was the final intended original release, and the grip was weaker in the EU original game just like that probably because Ueda or his team felt the game was too easy on the US release, or something.
This is a common misconception. Wander would slip or lose his footing even more easily in the HD remaster than he did in the PAL (EU) PS2 release. Most likely it had to do with physics calculations being tied to framerate, and in the remaster the framerate was oftentimes 10-15fps higher when things got hectic than in the PS2 version.
Most likely not.
Unless an actual real miracle between genDESIGN+Sony Japan happens.
I would die a content man if it ever happens.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Interesting. I wonder if the emulated version of the game has the same issue then, as you can probably lock to 30FPS on a fast enough computer there. I've never played the EU version, but I've heard many times that the grip was weaker in it, and it was possible to fall off the colossus more easily.
I agree with you on principle btw - I wish they ported US version of both Ico and SotC in that PS3 remaster. Most of the EU changes and additions were to the detriment of both games.
GHG
Gold Member
I hope they leave in the original controls as an option as well.
The worst part about them choosing to use the PAL version of ICO in the collection is that it has an inferior ending to the US release. The music is all wrong and the mood is totally different between the two versions.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Shockingly, I know, I never played this.
So this is a lovely treat to me and the countless other PS4 owners that never played what many consider an all-time classic. Can't wait.
So this is a lovely treat to me and the countless other PS4 owners that never played what many consider an all-time classic. Can't wait.
HueyFreeman
Banned
This video to me highlights that there are a lot of "I only like the first album" posts in here. I appreciate that some experiences are always better in hindsight - I followed SOTC from reveal up until day of release, just as I did with Ico and TLG, and vividly remember my first playthrough - but posts about how BP has missed the mark with the atmosphere/lighting/"dream-like mist" etc really don't jive with this comparison this video depicts. In all the most important ways, they've really nailed this.
I agree Wander's model and face still need work, but the rest of it is really a pretty magnificent encapsulation and update of Team Ico's work.
Few games make me wish I could wipe my memory clean as this one. I envy you first timers so so much haha. Hope you guys have an amazing time with it as I did my first playthrough.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I totally agree. I think they even went and faked the old-timey looking effects, like the low precision HDR exposure, to simulate the look of those overblown highlights. If they just went with normal tonemapping precision available today, that stuff would never look they way it does in this trailer.
Yeah, I was a bit shocked with how much less impact the EU ending held due to those retimed music cues. I remember we actually agreed on this back when the PS3 remaster came out. I thought at first I was being crazy, until you confirmed the ending is indeed different.
TheGameshark
Member
Yeah I agree. I absolutely love the way the skyboxes look in this remake if I'm going to be honest
dynamitejim
Member
Looks pretty spot on. I just hope they keep the weighty feeling of the controls from the original. I'm not liking what I'm hearing about altering them for "modern" tastes.
If they indeed change the controls it will be awful. Wander doesn't know how to use the sword--as he stole it--plus, he isn't the best athlete. He is supposed to feel awkward and bumbling. It seems like the only thing he really has a knack for using is a bow and arrow and riding a horse.
It's like when people complained about GenDesign not giving TLG the most precise controls as though they expected the boy was the protagonist of a character action game or something.
Laplasakos
Member
Most likely not.
Unless an actual real miracle between genDESIGN+Sony Japan happens.
I would die a content man if it ever happens.
Ueda said that he wants his next game to be like SotC.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Most likely a W.I.P. model. The FFXHD remaster went through the same ordeal. There's a reason they don't show any straight on shots of him.Just found out you can get a decent glance of Wander's face when streaming the trailer in 4K:
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Thanks man trying to avoid spoilers so clicked off the reveal trailer after 30 seconds he he we're in for a treat.
raviolico
Member
SallyIsNow
Banned
Can't find it now, but in the interview he was speaking more in terms of "open-world" as opposed to linear.
Found it
http://comicbook.com/gaming/2017/05...ame-could-go-back-to-shadow-of-the-colossus-/
Do we know if Ueda is supervising/giving his approval on the remake or is it fully independant ?
Yeah. The game really deserves it, a whole new generation who never would have played the PS2 game (even remeastered) will likely embrace it. The average gaf only thinks about him and doesn't see that he is not the only target audience here...
I hope they are going to do the same with ICO.
Yeah. The game really deserves it, a whole new generation who never would have played the PS2 game (even remeastered) will likely embrace it. The average gaf only thinks about him and doesn't see that he is not the only target audience here...
I hope they are going to do the same with ICO.
G-Bus
Banned
So many of you are crazy.
The amount of people excited at the rumor of a SoTC remake and then seeing the reactions of GAF surprised me a bit. It shouldn't have, I've been here long enough to expect that.
Looks great. Can't wait to play it. I missed out on the remaster for PS3 so it's been a long time for me.
Feel sorry for bluepoint. People are going to tear this game apart for the most trivial of reasons.
The amount of people excited at the rumor of a SoTC remake and then seeing the reactions of GAF surprised me a bit. It shouldn't have, I've been here long enough to expect that.
Looks great. Can't wait to play it. I missed out on the remaster for PS3 so it's been a long time for me.
Feel sorry for bluepoint. People are going to tear this game apart for the most trivial of reasons.
More_Badass
Member
One can excited for something and still be critical
Hype doesn't equal unequivocal excitement, and criticism isn't a bad thing
Movie remakes get critiqued all the time, even the good ones. How the more modern tech and techniques influence storytelling and visuals compared to the original work, the carryover (or not) or themes and plot, and so on
Why should game remakes and remasters be any different?
Considering how seminal SoTC is for the medium, this would be like seeing they're remaking Psycho shot for shot with modern visuals and actors, and then not discussing how and what could change and the relationship between the original and remake
Yes, I know there's a shot-for-shot remake of Psycho
Suggestion: enjoy the ride in this game. Like, everything. You will know what I mean when you get your hands on... Few games have managed to touch me in such a deep and meaningful way. Sotc is on my top 5 games of all time.