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Shin Megami Tensei appreciation thread
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FateBreaker
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It looks so very interesting.
And I want it to turn out so very, very good.
But I still can't get past the dungeons--not looking good. And the battle system looks...eh. And while I LOVE the art, some of it's a little...weird.
I want it to be good, I just am not certain that it really will be.
And I want it to turn out so very, very good.
But I still can't get past the dungeons--not looking good. And the battle system looks...eh. And while I LOVE the art, some of it's a little...weird.
I want it to be good, I just am not certain that it really will be.
meltpotato
Member
jGuru said:
doesn't seem likely... it wil likely lack the pocket-lining feature that Famitsu is so fond of.
meltpotato
Member
one of the importers/japanese gaffers should start an official thread since the hype is coming to a head 
I'm worried that i am going to import and play this before the US release.. first time playing a game and not really understanding since SNES :X
I'm worried that i am going to import and play this before the US release.. first time playing a game and not really understanding since SNES :X
SolidSnakex
Member
Error2k4 said:
There's only 1 thing that isn't awesome about this game...No English version until 2007.
Review of Persona 3
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Scores of....
as well as new Persona 3 scans
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http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2096/persona3scan422ao.jpg
Looks like the lil boy is revealed this time
Once again let me reiterate this... cant wait to play this game! again! [E3]
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Scores of....
9/8/8/8
as well as new Persona 3 scans
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4016/persona3scan394kr.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/401/persona3scan404lz.jpg
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/2718/persona3scan415uw.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2096/persona3scan422ao.jpg
Looks like the lil boy is revealed this time
I think its Main/Hero as a kid?
SolidSnakex
Member
For reference
Shin Megami Tensei 3: 35
DDS: 32
DDS2: 32
Devil Summoner 2: 30
Persona 3: 33
Shin Megami Tensei 3: 35
DDS: 32
DDS2: 32
Devil Summoner 2: 30
Persona 3: 33
Greenpanda
Banned
So ... 33/40, then
edit: oops, solidsnakex beat me to it
edit: oops, solidsnakex beat me to it
Greenpanda
Banned
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2096/persona3scan422ao.jpg
the castle in the lower-right on this page looks awesome
the castle in the lower-right on this page looks awesome
I'm not the best for the job. Probably someone else can do much better than me, but I can give a try.Abel said:Can you summarize or extrapolate on what they say?
Reviewer 1:
A new unique world that inherits gameplay features and specifics such as creature-development from Shin Megami series, and also create new ones of its own. School life in the day. Battles in the night. Develop persona during school life. (some untranslated bit)
Score: 9 (what the *&%$$%#* did you write in the text to result in 9!?)
Reviewer 2:
Several auto-events(cut-scenes I think) in the start. Interact with people in the day, which will have much impact in the adventures at night. Persona evolved and different from the first games, interesting(?). Random dungeons may feel tiresome.
Score: 8 (better than first guy, but still wanting)
Reviewer 3:
Switch between shool life and battles. Interaction with people will have strong effect on the Personas. School life portion can be better done (need better translation). Combat is simple, but also feature-rich, plus may involve trial-and-error. Progression can be slow.
Score: 8
Reviewer 4:
Like the visuals and music. It's about school life adventures and random-generated dungeons. Evolution of the 'Persona' series. Will be good if school life part is more interesting.
Score: 8
random generated dungeons........
and the school life stuff not being interesting makes me worry about this game, I thought that was one of strong selling points... then again famitsu doesn't finish games, they probably played like 3 hours of it.
and the school life stuff not being interesting makes me worry about this game, I thought that was one of strong selling points... then again famitsu doesn't finish games, they probably played like 3 hours of it.
I'm cool with 33.
You said it.
Error2k4 said:random generated dungeons........
and the school life stuff not being interesting makes me worry about this game, I thought that was one of strong selling points... then again famitsu doesn't finish games, they probably played like 3 hours of it.
You said it.
meltpotato
Member
... WTF!!!!
RANDOM DUNGEONS?!!!
RANDOM DUNGEONS?!!!
FateBreaker
Member
meltpotato said:
DIDN'T I SAY THE DUNGEONS WERE MAKING ME LOOK SCARED???
AHHHHAHAHAH.
...This sucks. I hate that I was right. =(
meltpotato
Member
FateBreaker said:
yeah i can confirm YOU JINXED IT! :b
i KNEW this game was going to have an unneccesary, self-inflicted, thorn in side
meltpotato
Member
Himuro said:
well when i think of a random dungeon, and this may be a misconception, i think of one that can't really do lots of the puzzle aspects that make tromping through dungeons fun and i think more of Diablo point-and-click grindfests :/
meltpotato
Member
Himuro said:
I have not played the Dark Cloud games so i can't really comment on them. my only problem with having constantly changing dungeons is that they will (i assume) lack deliberate design. I think the best, and most intersting dungeons are the ones that have very deliberate design in order to make it feel like an adventure more than random encounters as you work your way toward a boss.
The randomness also needs to be explained into the story for it to work if you are literally going to see a different dungeon every time you go into the same one i.e. your example of it being different when you get back from school.
i dunno, not saying it will ruin/break the game, but that coupled with the possiblity that i'm only controlling one character (which i don't believe) the game could be a lot worse than the masterpiece im hoping for
EDIT: shouuld i give Dark Cloud a try? and if I'm only going to play one, which one should I play?
meltpotato said:
Of course, this didn't stop Nocturne (for example) from having some *drab* dungeons (in fairness, there were some good'uns too).
The advantage of random dungeons is that you can have a lot of dungeons without as much development. The disadvantage (of course) is as above, as well as the fact that a lot of random-dungeon-generators are spectacularly bad.
meltpotato said:
Dark Cloud 2. Better in pretty-much every way. One of the good examples of random dungeon use too.
While I think random dungeons can be fine, there is a point to be made that the best things that R&D1 games have going for them are their eleborate, challenging, and well-designed dungeons so random dungeons will be disappointing. But then again Devil Summoner's dungeons were a huge step down from SMT/DDS dungeons so P3 can't be any worse I think.
Bebpo said:
these are the Nocturne folk?
how about: art, combat systems, and not insulting your intelligence (as much as most rpgs).
i think certain games work decently well with random dungeons: the kill monsters, take their loot, level up, repeat variety... more story-driven games are likely to be hurt as random dungeons often lack a sense of "place" that makes for a really immersive world/environment.
corollary: Dark Cloud 2's story is painfully awful.
well-designed dungeons are going to be better than random dungeons. random dungeons are a design decision that lets you spend your dev time doing something other than designing dungeons, but they don't make better dungeons.
meltpotato
Member
birdchili said:
while i agree with this on average, i think if dungeons were randomly generated in a way to function within the story they could actually be better.
for example, some sort of backstory of perhaps a demon creating some dungeon that is never the same thing twice and is like a complex, dynamic Labyrinth of Knossos. maybe that is just wishful thinking, but i do believe that there is potential for great random dungeons that actually fit with the story and enhance replay value.
as for SMT games not insulting you intellegence like other games.. QFMFT
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
Random dungeons suck, and any game that could work well with random dungeons (like a Diablo clone) is probably fundamentally flawed, just like Diablo.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Chairman Yang said:
Nice donkey punch post.
I'll go with "if the generator's good" wait-and-see approach. This is R&D1, so there's lots of evidence for hope.
Here's why I don't like SMT3 (stolen from an old post of mine):
The random battle encounter rate sucks. I fight the same one or two groups of enemies dozens of times before the next area and next batch of one or two enemies hits. I'm used to this in jrpgs, but SMT:N has a higher encounter rate than any other jrpg I've played, coupled with random battles that usually take little else than a pulse to get through and gigantic maze dungeons that have me hitting dead ends and backtracking and falling through holes in the ground for what seems like forever, while those battles hit me relentlessly. I'm not challenged by this in any way, just frustrated.
The bosses end up being trial and error exercises. Without the ability to switch the parasite things in battle or any other way of knowing the alignment of the boss without referencing gamefaqs, your main character will often end up killing off any chances of taking a boss the first time (extra turns and all that), unless you use a gimp non-aligned parasite.
The character customization system isn't bad, but it's also nothing special. I thought the main character's ability pool was pretty small, and getting a set of abilities you want ouf of critters through fusion and all that can feel very limiting without a ton of extra leveling up. Levels themselves are also so important that, yeah, even more extra leveling up. When I find the random battles themselves to be tedious.
Great art/music/death screen/whatever doesn't save this for me. The game is seriously archaic, just like most RPGs in the PS2 gen (with the exception of a few gems like BOFV).
Random battles need to die. Slight variations on the same outdated gameplay mechanics need to die. Dungeon crawling? Excellent with the right gameplay mechanics, but Nocturne really doesn't do that for me.
The random battle encounter rate sucks. I fight the same one or two groups of enemies dozens of times before the next area and next batch of one or two enemies hits. I'm used to this in jrpgs, but SMT:N has a higher encounter rate than any other jrpg I've played, coupled with random battles that usually take little else than a pulse to get through and gigantic maze dungeons that have me hitting dead ends and backtracking and falling through holes in the ground for what seems like forever, while those battles hit me relentlessly. I'm not challenged by this in any way, just frustrated.
The bosses end up being trial and error exercises. Without the ability to switch the parasite things in battle or any other way of knowing the alignment of the boss without referencing gamefaqs, your main character will often end up killing off any chances of taking a boss the first time (extra turns and all that), unless you use a gimp non-aligned parasite.
The character customization system isn't bad, but it's also nothing special. I thought the main character's ability pool was pretty small, and getting a set of abilities you want ouf of critters through fusion and all that can feel very limiting without a ton of extra leveling up. Levels themselves are also so important that, yeah, even more extra leveling up. When I find the random battles themselves to be tedious.
Great art/music/death screen/whatever doesn't save this for me. The game is seriously archaic, just like most RPGs in the PS2 gen (with the exception of a few gems like BOFV).
Random battles need to die. Slight variations on the same outdated gameplay mechanics need to die. Dungeon crawling? Excellent with the right gameplay mechanics, but Nocturne really doesn't do that for me.