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Woodsy said:
Exactly - it would be like there being a shooting at Cupertino and then 4 hours later Obama gets up at the previously scheduled event he was appearing at and rambles on for a couple minutes about how glad he was that everyone was there...hey, shout out to Andy Inhatko...I really look forward to working with everybody. Oh, BTW as you might have heard, 12 people were gunned down at our offices this afternoon....
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Here, I fixed it for you.
 
methos75 said:
I am in the Military myself, but I am not really bothered by Obama's actions, after the whole Boston cop situation and his foot in mouth, he is probably justifiably hesitant about saying anything till the facts are known.
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Not to mention his words were pretty somber and measured. The fuss here is an artifice about three minutes, apparently forgetting he made a brief and equally respectful statement immediately, yesterday.
 
Instigator said:
Sounds more like a guy who snapped, based on what we know.
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Well according to some reports (I know grain of salt and all that) he was haboring these thoughts and feelings for a while. And said some pretty hateful stuff in the past.
 
Woodsy said:
Just watched the video and HOLY SHIT Obama does not get it. OK, I understand he was at a conference concerning Native Americans, but didn't he/his handlers realize that this was his fist time on TV after the tragic events at a military base (hello - COMMANDER IN CHIEF) and he starts by giving 2 minutes of lip service to the audience about the conference, how they will work together, a shout out to a Medal of Honor winner, and only then says "You might have heard that there was a shooting at a military base...."

When I first saw this posted, I assumed that his "shout out" was kind of off to the side before he took the podium, but that was not the case.

Say what you want, Obama was either oblivious to the seriousness of the shootings or he just didn't give a rat's ass and thought giving lip service to the conference attendees was more important on his agenda than getting right to addressing the shootings. Either way it was damn awkward.
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Shut the fuck up you miserable piece of shit. I'm so sick of your ignorant act

I watched the video, unfortunately went to Malkin's blog/links to see the far right reaction. While the "shout out" was odd, I don't think giving the intended intro before addressing the Fort Hood situation was wrong, in fact it seemed pretty fucking standard. Thanking the crowd and naming honored guests happens in the beginning of speeches, everyone knows this.

There are a group of people who question Obama in everything he does. It's so fucking obvious Malkin and her ilk feel Obama is un-American, and as such never deserves the "benefit of the doubt" on any issue - instead the answer must be he doesn't care about the troops, or he cares more about his own titles than their livelihood. Seriously, her article questions him prefacing a statement by saying "as Commander in Chief there's no greater honor for me [than to make sure the troops are taken care of]." Seriously? The use of "me" suggests something? What other explanation is there for this obsession with parsing his statements and questioning him when he...states what his responsibilities are as Commander in Chief.
 
DigitalDevil said:
uhhhhhh, if you can relate to the choice as understandable, then you don't really COMPLETELY disagree with them then do you?
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Yes I completely disagree with the act. Just because you can understand why someone would do something, doesn't mean you agree with the action.
 
I mean I know he hated getting "made fun of" for being a muslim...... but now going and shooting people up is only going to make the other muslims that bigger of a target for "making fun of"
 
MidnightRider said:
I mean I know he hated getting "made fun of" for being a muslim...... but now going and shooting people up is only going to make the other muslims that bigger of a target for "making fun of"
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Even that seems to be getting blown up as far as relevancy. The Muslim Chaplin and a good friend of the shooter was interviewed and said the making fun of consisted of mostly typical jokes and banter between soldiers.

What would get him very disliked would be saying a Medal of Honor winner was the same as a suicide bomber blowing up civilians in a marketplace like he did.
 
laserbeam said:
Even that seems to be getting blown up as far as relevancy. The Muslim Chaplin and a good friend of the shooter was interviewed and said the making fun of consisted of mostly typical jokes and banter between soldiers.

What would get him very disliked would be saying a Medal of Honor winner was the same as a suicide bomber blowing up civilians in a marketplace like he did.
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I wasn't talking about the one "dude" I was meaning ANY muslim that goes out and does some STUPID stuff like this because they are getting made fun of for being Muslim..... is NOT doing their religion any good.....

I was just saying that if he didn't like getting made fun of for being Muslim....... then maybe it was a bad idea to shoot a place up because that just opens the door for all the other Muslims in America to get made fun of and fingers pointed at......

know what I mean?

as for his internet posts about suicide bombers..... I can't comment on that because from what I read they couldn't actually ever determine if he really posted that or if it was someone else..........
 
DigitalDevil said:
uhhhhhh, if you can relate to the choice as understandable, then you don't really COMPLETELY disagree with them then do you?
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Understanding and agreeing aren't really related. Or are you saying it's not possible for someone to misunderstand an agenda and yet still agree with it??

There's a whole thread one "bands you love but don't get" where people say they DO understand why someone likes something, but they themselves don't like it at all.

I can understand why the teabaggers protest in the fanatical way that they do and yet disagree with them on just about everything.

The demagoguing of people who say they can understand why or how something happened to the point where they're accused of agreeing or sympathizing is ridiculous. It's ridiculous to for people to say someone is blaming a rape victim when that person says the victim (and future women) should avoid certain dangerous situations. It's ridiculous to say one is an extremist sympathizer when that person talks about the conditions that may have contributed to having the extremist reach their tipping point.

Saying "I hope we can end these wars and instead try to give financial, medical, and other forms of relief to curb extremism" is not the same as saying "Well, they've got a point in attacking us - these extremists are only extreme because we're not giving them financial, medical, or other forms of relief".
 
scorcho said:
i'm blocks from broadway and dreading the search for lunch :/

and if you dislike shootings, it seems like another one just occurred in a Florida high-rise. 1 killed, 7 injured.
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And his name is Rodriguez. Must be an illiegal Mexican immagrant or a Chavez sympathizer.

*rolleyes*
 
laserbeam said:
Even that seems to be getting blown up as far as relevancy. The Muslim Chaplin and a good friend of the shooter was interviewed and said the making fun of consisted of mostly typical jokes and banter between soldiers.

What would get him very disliked would be saying a Medal of Honor winner was the same as a suicide bomber blowing up civilians in a marketplace like he did.
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What did the Medal of Honor winner do for him to say that?
 
Woodsy said:
LOL, is this a Bush golf reference? You know he gave up golf in 2003 because, in his conscience (his words), he did not want to be seen out golfing and relaxing on the weekend while he was sending troops off to war, knowing some of them weren't coming back.
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Yes. By the way, he didn't actually give up golf at the time or manner that he claimed. Besides, it isn't like he gave up golf as being a frivolous pastime considering the men and women dying in his war, but just that he didn't want to be seen doing so.

APF said:
You mean when Bush was asked a question while he was golfing?
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Yes. He made this serious statement about fighting terrorism, then followed it with a flippant remark about his game, undercutting his message. I thought for sure Obama must have done something like point out somebody in the front row and mimed a fistbump or some such. "Shout out" is about on a level with Bush's constant referrals to terrorists as "folks." It's a colloquialism that's not appropriate for the situation, but more worthy of rolleyes than condemnation.

APF said:
I don't think adamsappel is that bad. He just forgets the context of that quote because it's been so widely lampooned.
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I like your schtick. I really do. Keep it up.
 
Meadows said:
Fox news has gone too far. Way too far.
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Fox News is just giving their audience what it wants to hear. I've already heard 3 co-workers claim that the military should kick out all muslims in the military.
 
adamsappel said:
Yes. He made this serious statement about fighting terrorism, then followed it with a flippant remark about his game, undercutting his message.
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And? The situations were completely different. For example, the question was regarding an attack in another country, and not a national (US) tragedy.
 
LLaMa-Tech said:
I really do dispise Faux News, it shouldn't even be considered a news channel.
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I love how all Demo's hate on Fox News but yet CNN/MSNBC is just as crazy as any of them.

***EDIT*** We should be able to delete posts..... I could have deleted this one and added it to my post above.......
 
MidnightRider said:
Gone to far? Are you freaking serious?

I think EVERYONE should get re-screened.... to see if anyone slipped through the cracks. Muslim or not.
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Fine, re-screen everyone. If Fox said that it wouldn't be nearly as offensive. If MSNBC/CNN/My mother said the same thing, I'd consider what they were saying to be just as disgusting.
 
mckmas8808 said:
What did the Medal of Honor winner do for him to say that?
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As was stated the Marine jumped on a live grenade and took the full blast to himself to prevent the others around the grenade from being killed.

Totally comparable to someone going out to kill as many people as possible.
 
mckmas8808 said:
WOW! Talk about being a bigot. Why is it when white folks do crazy things people like Fox News host don't want to test every white person?
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And then they angrily lash out when anyone questions the racial nature of this type of nonsense. Just cruising around right wing blogs will show a pretty consistent talking point about how the religious aspect of this is being "whitewashed" and swept under the rug. The few news reports I've seen don't hide the fact that this guy was a Muslim, was radicalized, and had made anti-American comments in the past. So what are Malkin and others complaining about?
 
MidnightRider said:
Gone to far? Are you freaking serious?

I think EVERYONE should get re-screened.... to see if anyone slipped through the cracks. Muslim or not.
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yes, they did go far! they are saying that all Muslims enlisting in the army should be given special debriefings, as if they are convicts or violent people by nature.
 
MidnightRider said:
Gone to far? Are you freaking serious?

I think EVERYONE should get re-screened.... to see if anyone slipped through the cracks. Muslim or not.
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what's this screening process entail if it isn't some type of ethnic/racial profiling.
 
Woah so file this under it being a small world:

I just got an e-mail from a person that I work with. He said that the unit going through SRP at the time of the shooting was the 467th Combat Stress out of Madison, WI. The shooter was going to be attached to that unit for deployment. Two of the dead were from that unit and the person I work with deployed to Afghanistan with one of them.

I guess it's a small Army.
 
MidnightRider said:
Gone to far? Are you freaking serious?

I think EVERYONE should get re-screened.... to see if anyone slipped through the cracks. Muslim or not.
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Then you don't believe that Muslims are an exceptional security threat relative to the rest of the people in this country. Fox and Friends seems to disagree with you

Their belief that Muslims, a religious group consisting of millions of people who live peaceful lives in accordance with the laws of our society, are a serious danger to national security is what makes their words bigoted, or at least significantly prejudiced.
 
Tune into Hannity right now and hear him claim that Obama's pressy last night was just more proof in the long list of evidence of his disdain for the military. :lol Great stuff
 
mckmas8808 said:
Well according to some reports (I know grain of salt and all that) he was haboring these thoughts and feelings for a while. And said some pretty hateful stuff in the past.
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After the harassment he alledgedly was a victim of, that would not surprise me. Bad excuse to go on a shooting rampage in any case, I know, but that's still a motive.

Though I don't know why he'd go in the army in a post-9/11 America at war in two Muslim countries. The guy was probably not thinking straight to begin with.
 
Remember people's views can change pretty quickly. For all we know when he first joined he may not of had any strong islamic or politcal views.

Over time he may of become more religious etc and then started to see the US as an enemy of islam etc. Remember, it is a major sin for any muslim who decides to fight for armies who are attacking fellow muslims.
 
http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-11-05-Fort-Hood_N.htm

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist who had counseled troops and was upset about being deployed to Afghanistan shouted "Allahu Akbar!" Arabic for "God is great!" and opened fire on an unarmed crowd at the Army base Thursday afternoon, military officials said. Thirteen people died and 30 were wounded.
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All of those wounded, including Hasan, were listed in stable condition, said Col. Steven Braverman, hospital commander at the sprawling base. Half of those wounded required surgery, Braverman said.

Officials are not ruling out the possibility that some of the casualties may have been victims of "friendly fire," that in the confusion at the shooting scene some of the responding military officials may have shot some of the victims.
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An imam from a mosque Hasan regularly attended said Hasan, a lifelong Muslim, was a committed soldier, gave no sign of extremist beliefs and regularly wore his uniform at prayers.
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MidnightRider said:
Jumped on top of a grenade to keep the blast from killing everyone in the room.
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Yeahhhh....Major Hassan I don't see the connection. Sorry.
 
Anerythristic said:
He was so upset about being deployed he chose suicide by gunfight?
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makes sense if you consider what appears to be an extremist viewpoint. Upset about being deployed to fight other extremist muslims so he does the whole God is Great slay the infidel and get virgins in paradise angle.
 
mckmas8808 said:
WOW! Talk about being a bigot. Why is it when white folks do crazy things people like Fox News host don't want to test every white person?
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Piss off with your "white folks" comment. I don't agree with Fox News, but the issue they're raising is about religion. You're trying to make it a race thing.
 
Also of note days before the shooting he was giving away his personal belongings to neighbors etc. He clearly knew what was coming was intended to not have him return
 
laserbeam said:
Also of note days before the shooting he was giving away his personal belongings to neighbors etc. He clearly knew what was coming was intended to not have him return
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obvious, no? i don't think anyone denies this was either premeditated or carefully planned out.
 
laserbeam said:
Also of note days before the shooting he was giving away his personal belongings to neighbors etc. He clearly knew what was coming was intended to not have him return
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It is also conceivable that this was a planning-out of the psychological response of those who knew him - he might have wanted them to think back on the lead-up to the attack with regret or self-recrimination or amplified horror. I mean, he wasn't giving away his possessions because he was a good person.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Woah! Now that's interesting...
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While thats possible the story has been the one Police officer arrived on scene and took the guy down. There would have had to been other people armed involved.

I kinda suspect the Military is a bit embarassed that such a thing happened and no one was there to take him down. Pretty damn odd a civilian law enforcement official had to take him down and not an MP or something
 
I'd be just as worried about Christian loonies as Muslim ones, they are peas in a pod. I doubt religion has anything to do with this, Fox just likes to throw read meat to their bigoted viewers.
 
laserbeam said:
Also of note days before the shooting he was giving away his personal belongings to neighbors etc. He clearly knew what was coming was intended to not have him return
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I think he was giving away/selling furniture because he was being sent to Iraq/Afghanistan for a while, I could be wrong though!

And according to CNN, the neighbors said that Nidal was supposed to be holding a yard sale the day of the shooting (not sure what time).
 
holy crap you can google nidalhasan on google and see the post that CNN keeps talking about O.o

It is weird that you can go into the mind of a killer so fast!! (assuming that he wrote that)
 
gumshoe said:
holy crap you can google nidalhasan on google and see the post that CNN keeps talking about (comparing suicide bombers to a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to protect others). O.o
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Truly this is the spin of spins. :-o
 
Choke on the Magic said:
Piss off with your "white folks" comment. I don't agree with Fox News, but the issue they're raising is about religion. You're trying to make it a race thing.
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I doubt Fox cares about such a distinction.
 
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