victreeb3l
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Great work by the police capturing that piece of shit alive. Hope the casualties are minimum :/
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Shooting at CO Planned Parenthood, shooter gave up, 3 dead
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DrForester
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Love how no nonsense these officials are. "
Police chief will make a statement. Fire chief will make a statement. PR officer will then answer questions. Don't talk till you're called upon and don't talk over each other"
Police chief will make a statement. Fire chief will make a statement. PR officer will then answer questions. Don't talk till you're called upon and don't talk over each other"
So you're upset that he didn't use your negative descriptor of choice? Who cares if he didn't use the word "terrorist"?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Right, I mean, basically everyone will kill if they're driven enough to think they're right (otherwise, all soldiers have to be mentally ill). Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina, and the rest lied for months straight about how PP was making money off killing babies, you don't think a gullible man could believe that PP was an enemy that should be killed?
hey_monkey
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My family is running around and I keep missing bits of the updates. Have they confirmed the injured? I hope no deaths. I hope only superficial injuries.
Remember a certain media frenzy colloquially referred to as "Benghazi"?
I think we all know who cares the most about neglecting to use the word "terrorist" to describe an incident like this.
Silent Chief
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Great dialog for a shooter campaign.
Arrogant Bastard
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Because words matter and we only use certain words to describe certain individuals. Thug, terrorist, etc.
Nutjob implies that he was mentally ill, thus we aren't going to talk about it as a wider concern. Terrorist implies he had full control of his faculties, thus it is representative of a larger portion of society.
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Nutjobs aren't representative of us, they aren't reflective of the society that we live in. We have no part in it! Calling someone a nutjob allows you to distance them from you/us and our collective responsibility , they become something different. Basically, it matters a great deal, imo.
DrForester
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From Press Conference:
11 people transported to hospitals. 5 are police. There might be more in building.
No confirmation of fatalities.
Will not speculate on a motive
Explosive experts on scene, but no confirmation that there were explosives. Did say Suspect brought stuff in with him, but would not elaborate.
Sheriffs Office (El Paso County) will handle investigation in place of Colorado Springs Police due to state law regarding officer involved shootings.
11 people transported to hospitals. 5 are police. There might be more in building.
No confirmation of fatalities.
Will not speculate on a motive
Explosive experts on scene, but no confirmation that there were explosives. Did say Suspect brought stuff in with him, but would not elaborate.
Sheriffs Office (El Paso County) will handle investigation in place of Colorado Springs Police due to state law regarding officer involved shootings.
Tarkus
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No fatalities announced yet. 11 people injured, 5 of which are cops. So far.
Silent Chief
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Earthstrike
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Were the paris bombers mentally sound? Did you ever express this sentiment during this period of time, or during 9/11, or during the boston bombing?
The liberal media will. The right wing media of course will not. CNN won't know what to say. Depends on what you listen to I guess.
Ehh I've heard people say "nutjob terrorists" before, so I don't think the implications run as deep as you claim. If somebody said "Did you hear about the guy who shot up a [blank]?" "nutjob" sounds more realistic of a reply than "terrorist". Though, yes, if he shot up this place to spread fear through his so-called ideals, then he would be a terrorist. But I don't see somebody calling him a nutjob negates that.
Regardless, this isn't really the time and place for semantics.
RPGCrazied
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They will just blame mental illness like they always do.
Hellwarden
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So, did the guy surrender, or did the police actually manage to take him alive?
Speech restrictions don't really help with this shit (see: Europe.)
He surrendered.
Ziltoidia 9
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I saw posts saying he surrendered.
SapientWolf
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It's irrational behavior.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
I'm upset that he is quick to call muslims who kill for their beliefs terrorists but wont call Americans/christians who do the same thing terrorists.
HP_Wuvcraft
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The guy was a madman. He clearly had intent to kill.
There is 100% no way you can go "but what if he was black?" as if shooting him would be unjustified.
Silent Chief
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Not mentally sound does not mean legally insane.
I don't blame you for being upset, but we don't know all the details about what happened today, and I think people are more likely to call a group of people "terrorists", particularly if they're actually members of a terrorist organization, than a lone guy. But that's anecdotal.
But I understand your frustrations. I figure people from like belief systems are probably more reluctant to call people who do extreme acts "terrorists" than they are people of other belief systems.
Arrogant Bastard
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Correct, but it is used to distance them from us.
Prototype Viktor
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That CBSN guy just can't keep his bias out of what he's saying
User 73706
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never the time, never the place
People of color murdering other people? That's just natural and makes sense. No way they're crazy, they're just criminals and terrorists.
White person? Obviously there's some sort of mental problem going on White people just do go out and murder people!
The double standard is ridiculous. I had hoped that people would be just as hard on this guy since the country is so tense and touchy about Syrians that they wouldn't pull this kinda shit but I guess now.
White person? Obviously there's some sort of mental problem going on White people just do go out and murder people!
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The double standard is ridiculous. I had hoped that people would be just as hard on this guy since the country is so tense and touchy about Syrians that they wouldn't pull this kinda shit but I guess now.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Denver Post has vids of the suspect in cuffs being taken into custody. It's brief and you can't see much but that's what CBSN says.
It's definitely the time and place in the cop threads that involve shooting minorities or similar situations where white people don't get shot. I've spoken against my profession in many of those threads.
freeofgreed
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That white fucking privilege.
Bam Bam Baklava
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You can just barely see him in the video. Looks like he's got mostly white hair with glasses and a beard. Looked pretty tall too.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Okay, why are people trying to turn this into a "cops would have shot him if he were black" thread?
That actually does not raise the level of discussion. It lowers it.
Stop trying to seem smarter than everyone else.
That actually does not raise the level of discussion. It lowers it.
Stop trying to seem smarter than everyone else.
I remember that. Scary stuff.
I'm really surprised law enforcement only decided to wise up after 9/11 instead of that event.
That was basically the precursor to Mumbai and Paris.
KINGofCRA5H
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The guy walked out of the building. There was no way it was ending in a hail of bullets with the press watching
Thought so.
crisdecuba
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I hate this kind of shit. I agree that this was an act of terrorism, but honestly words like lunatic or nutjob are what would come to mind if a friend of mine tagged me with the story. It's not because I'm trying to adhere to some code of language, it's just that I'm not used to using the term. If someone asked me, "man, this really fits the bill for terrorism, no?" I would say "absolutely."
Not everyone knows what you're supposed to use / not use. in fact, a year ago I only thought "terrorism" applied in situations where it was a foreign entity (I'd never really heard of "domestic terrorism").
So don't use this dumb litmus test and if you really want to know how they feel, ask them if they think it fits the term terrorism, and if they don't, then explain yourself and you might educate / convince.
Arrogant Bastard
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Defiantly mentally ill, you can tell.
It's weird to stand on two studies from forty-plus years ago, the first of which straight up isn't science and certainly isn't reproducible.
RPGCrazied
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freeofgreed
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t has nothing to do with trying to seem to "smarter" than everyone. It has everything to do with the fact that this terrorist shot and possibly killed several police officers and civilians, yet they were miraculous able to capture him alive. While almost everyday you get a story of an unarmed black dude being executed for much less. It's hard not to get mad at that disparity of treatment in cases like this.
davepoobond
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https://www.google.com/search?q=casualty&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
cas·u·al·ty
ˈkaZH(əw)əltē/
noun
noun: casualty; plural noun: casualties
a person killed or injured in a war or accident.
synonyms: victim, fatality, loss, MIA; More
dead and injured, missing in action, missing
"a casualty of war"
a person or thing badly affected by an event or situation.
"the building industry has been one of the casualties of the recession"
synonyms: victim, fatality, loss, MIA; More
dead and injured, missing in action, missing
"a casualty of war"
(chiefly in insurance) an accident, mishap, or disaster.
Origin
late Middle English (in the sense ‘chance, a chance occurrence’: from medieval Latin casualitas, from casualis (see casual), on the pattern of words such as penalty .
Prototype Viktor
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Yea it could have when he fired back after the first breach. The only thing that stopped them from shooting through door was they had unknown hostages when he was hiding behind a door waiting for another siege
17 Seconds
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There was bulletproof glass, and there were all kinds of cameras covering his surrender. This is not comparable to those situations.
He surrendered though, didn't he?
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