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Should MMA be outlawed in the US?
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The Faceless Master
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like Hockey?
Fury Sense
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Should the OP be able to post threads in NeoGAF?
Seriously, Trent Strong is a totalitarian. One step away from current cold-war Soviet communism. Do we want NeoGAF to be the kind of forum that encourages this kind of tremulous pussyfooting and that encourages people to gather around and intolerantly and contemptuously shun and punish and denounce this kind of personal freedom? Is this what neo-aged forums do? Does a neo forum put one troll in an OP and have him complain and raise fear in everyone for our "safety"? Really? I know people get butthurt in the Gaming side, but something is different with that. Some line has been crossed. We shouldn't allow the kind of stuff to be happening. What's next, allowing polls in any NeoGAF thread willy nilly?
Seriously, Trent Strong is a totalitarian. One step away from current cold-war Soviet communism. Do we want NeoGAF to be the kind of forum that encourages this kind of tremulous pussyfooting and that encourages people to gather around and intolerantly and contemptuously shun and punish and denounce this kind of personal freedom? Is this what neo-aged forums do? Does a neo forum put one troll in an OP and have him complain and raise fear in everyone for our "safety"? Really? I know people get butthurt in the Gaming side, but something is different with that. Some line has been crossed. We shouldn't allow the kind of stuff to be happening. What's next, allowing polls in any NeoGAF thread willy nilly?
fairly common, but a fight is usually over when it happens, and they wont be able to fight again for atleast 3 months.
the child porn law NY had was really stupid so the court was completely justified in throwing it out fyi
They happen and the fighters are put on medical leave, but the sport is still so young that lasting effects are unknown at this point. But part of what can make boxing so concussive to the fighter - and why dementia pugilistica comes out of it - is the 10-count. Fighters take a beating and so long as they can get back to their feet within a certain time, the fight usually continues and they take another beating.
In MMA, if a fighter gets rocked and ends up floored, they are typically finished on the ground in short order and the fight is over. Fights in MMA are also generally much shorter to a decision - in UFC it's only 3 rounds of 5 minutes each, or 5 rounds if it's a championship match, so fighters don't take as much of a beating throughout the course of a fight. Submissions are another element that allow an MMA fight to end quickly, and with sometimes no damage done to either fighter.
entremet
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Interesting. Thanks for the info. Seems much safer than boxing, plus more open to change in regards to taking care of their athletes. The boxing ten count really can be brutal on boxers on the long term.
I do remember MMA being more violent in the Ken Shamrock days.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Trent Strong has been around for years and I don't think I've seen a post of his I've actually liked or agreed with.
SolidusDave
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I can understand if you don't like the bloodthirsty mentality of some fans, but the sport itself might look violent but is actually more safe than boxing etc. as already mentioned.
On the other hand it's not like certain other sport fans are even close to being peaceful, including mass street fights with the police ...
MMA is also not the place for the local brawlers to meet, they come from various fighting sports backgrounds including self defense stuff like Judo.
In fact, everyone who gets proper martial arts training over many years will also learn respect for the opponent, what damage you could do, self-control and the philosophy of the respective fighting style.
This often leads to a certain mindset that is unlike that of many cocky football players or whatever. In fact, many non-fighting sport guys think they are the shit and get into fights etc. (with the difference that they can't actually fight) even though you would think just throwing some ball peacefully around should only lead to Gandhi-clones ;P
Personally, I don't care for any "game" sports and have only mild interests in athletic disciplines, but fights among experts of various fighting styles is so pure and yet awesome to watch.
I will not the deny the entertainment factor though, especially compared to the boring and limited boxing sport.
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On the other hand it's not like certain other sport fans are even close to being peaceful, including mass street fights with the police ...
MMA is also not the place for the local brawlers to meet, they come from various fighting sports backgrounds including self defense stuff like Judo.
In fact, everyone who gets proper martial arts training over many years will also learn respect for the opponent, what damage you could do, self-control and the philosophy of the respective fighting style.
This often leads to a certain mindset that is unlike that of many cocky football players or whatever. In fact, many non-fighting sport guys think they are the shit and get into fights etc. (with the difference that they can't actually fight) even though you would think just throwing some ball peacefully around should only lead to Gandhi-clones ;P
Personally, I don't care for any "game" sports and have only mild interests in athletic disciplines, but fights among experts of various fighting styles is so pure and yet awesome to watch.
I will not the deny the entertainment factor though, especially compared to the boring and limited boxing sport.
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I have to point out this could be a little misleading a lot of people think a concussion is losing consciousness, today so far neurologist agree a concussion can even be the slightest impairment of brain function. So MMA fighters can experience multiple concussions in a fight, of course boxers experience it more.
Not really sure how I feel about. Fighting is something I feel should be villified and we should be trying to move away from as a culture, and MMA pretty much glorifies it. I also don't think its good for society to have these guys as role models. But on the other hand, if its what people want and the participants are willing and its safe, then who am I to say it should be banned? its a complex issue and I don't know where I fall really.
Fans can talk about it being a pure sport but when I see the videos and the gifs all I see is two guys just trying to beat the living crap out of each other. That said, there are aspects of the sport which don't do it any favours in terms of perception. If the guys wore robes and the fighting took place in a well lit room and on a mat as opposed to a cage maybe I would feel differently? I certainly would suggest any martial arts should be banned. I don't know, when I watch it there's an animalistic brutality, the sense that the guys really do want to hurt each other, I think that's why I find it disturbing. Still, I don't know if that means I think it should be banned. I don't have to watch it.
Fans can talk about it being a pure sport but when I see the videos and the gifs all I see is two guys just trying to beat the living crap out of each other. That said, there are aspects of the sport which don't do it any favours in terms of perception. If the guys wore robes and the fighting took place in a well lit room and on a mat as opposed to a cage maybe I would feel differently? I certainly would suggest any martial arts should be banned. I don't know, when I watch it there's an animalistic brutality, the sense that the guys really do want to hurt each other, I think that's why I find it disturbing. Still, I don't know if that means I think it should be banned. I don't have to watch it.
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SteveWinwood
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I don't give a shit about any of this.
I just wanted to say that NY child porn thread was amazing because literally only like 3 people actually read the article and understood what it was. You were not one of those people.
As long as the participants volunteer.
Mammoth Jones
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Ban all the bad things that could possibly hurt anyone under any circumstance, ever!
In all seriousness, so what if it's a "bloodsport". Life is a bloodsport, LMAO. Grown adults that know the risks made a choice to push their bodies and training to the limits in order to compete. I'm not going to suggest they shouldn't do that because they *might* get hurt.
Christ, what a wonderful thing it must be to live in a bubble where the WORST thing that could happen is that you get hurt...lol.
Don't like MMA? Don't fight. Don't watch. Problem solved. What happened to being tolerant about what other people enjoy? It's 100% consensual adults choosing to fight of their own volition. What's the problem?
What should we do? Sit in our cubicles in bubble wrap until we're 75?
In all seriousness, so what if it's a "bloodsport". Life is a bloodsport, LMAO. Grown adults that know the risks made a choice to push their bodies and training to the limits in order to compete. I'm not going to suggest they shouldn't do that because they *might* get hurt.
Christ, what a wonderful thing it must be to live in a bubble where the WORST thing that could happen is that you get hurt...lol.
Don't like MMA? Don't fight. Don't watch. Problem solved. What happened to being tolerant about what other people enjoy? It's 100% consensual adults choosing to fight of their own volition. What's the problem?
What should we do? Sit in our cubicles in bubble wrap until we're 75?
Oh I know that, I'm simply pointing out that MMA fights are generally short and there are more ways for them to end early beyond that. Between that and many fighters especially in the UFC very rarely fighting more than 3 times a year, there's much less of a potential for lasting damage to them relative to boxing and possibly football as well, but there hasn't been enough time yet for any proper studies.
I agree that the cage probably doesn't help perception, but it benefits the wrestling portion of the sport. Pride was fought in a ring and wrestling effectiveness was somewhat limited due to that, which some would say was a better approach. Wrestling has long been a strong MMA base and there's been an influx of great amateur wrestlers particularly in recent years.
As far as guys who "really want to hurt each other," after most fights you typically see them hugging and congratulating each other. There's almost never any lasting animosity and the guys who get in there realize it's a competitive sport with a winner and loser.
I remember when MMA was marketed as no holds barred fighting.
There was a guy, Joe Sung or something like that, and he came into the ring/cage carrying a huge wooden cross. His "fight" consisted of being punched in the groin.
It was horrifying. I never watched another fight.
At least they tidied up the it's okay to punch the other guy in the groin repeatedly portion of the fighting.
There was a guy, Joe Sung or something like that, and he came into the ring/cage carrying a huge wooden cross. His "fight" consisted of being punched in the groin.
It was horrifying. I never watched another fight.
At least they tidied up the it's okay to punch the other guy in the groin repeatedly portion of the fighting.
ConsumerSquare
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Seems pretty popular with the trailer park demo, and stocky short guys who like to wear ugly t-shirts and hang out at chain restaurants. Those guys need heroes, too.
They also aren't slaves
Mister Wilhelm
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Troll post.
Boxing is far, far more dangerous than MMA.
Boxing is far, far more dangerous than MMA.
Trent Strong
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I don't see you in many threads. I've probably posted a lot of things that you agree with, but we just don't post in the same threads very often.
What if people volunteered to fight to the death? Should that be legal?
And the fight to the death defense force has arrived.
Last time I checked, it was a sport and they are athletes willingly deciding to participate in said sport. They are not being forced against their will.
Professor Beef
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Seriously though, if it was actually dangerous then it would be outlawed. But that's why there are medical personnel in attendance at all time to make sure nothing severe happens.
It's not nearly as dangerous as you think it is.
It's not nearly as dangerous as you think it is.
GoutPatrol
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Just because it hasn't been around long enough. Go look at all the early fighters. Shamrock, Sakuraba, and the like. They aren't looking too good these days. Hell, look at Liddell.
scotcheggz
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A few posts have mentioned boxing and how they get hit a lot and repeatedly get up after being knocked down etc. but boxing isn't really like that anymore. I don't really care either way but thought I'd mention. I caught the first boxing match on TV I'd seen for ages last week and I was surprised how much it's changed over the last 10 years or so, the fight I saw ended in some sort of KO fashion without either fighter actually being knocked down once. I didn't really get it. It was explained to me that it's all about safety nowadays and they don't generally take more than one good punch anymore.
You could also add football to the mix as well.
Football and boxing are more culturally accepted in the American consciousness than MMA, yet you don't hear cries of outlawing either sport.
AJ Lee
I for one would fully support allowing convicted felons, incarcerated for life (with no chance of parole) an opportunity to engage in fights to the death. No automatic weapons, strictly melee only.
In return, the victor would be given special privilege while jailed.
These encounters would of course be broadcast for viewing audiences on television.
In return, the victor would be given special privilege while jailed.
These encounters would of course be broadcast for viewing audiences on television.
No it isn't ... not even close.
Dude Abides
Banned
Yeah. MMA fans are a lot like those My Little Pony weirdos.
Professor Beef
Banned
childplease
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No it should not be illegal.
Well maybe only to the few select mma douche bags that roam around wearing those tacky affliction shirts.
Also why do they always say WAR at the end of their sentences ?
Well maybe only to the few select mma douche bags that roam around wearing those tacky affliction shirts.
Also why do they always say WAR at the end of their sentences ?
Then how come they're always on the ground hugging?
BladeWorker
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My two cents on the outlaw versus allow: Where long-term physical injury is the primary concern, it's better to allow and regulate than to disallow and ignore that it's happening - and going to happen - whether you permit it or not.
Are you actually trained in the Code of Points judging system that's been in place in Figure Skating since 2004, or are you just talking out of your rear?
Speaking as someone who worked within that system, as well as the old one, for more than a decade, this idea that "figure skating is corrupt, har har" is vastly out of date and displays a rather poor understanding of the sport as well as the rules by which it is governed.
It is a human system, and it's not perfect, but singling it out for ridicule as corrupt is to both fundamentally misunderstand the sport, and also to ignore every other competition judged by humans, including diving, synchronized swimming, gymnastics, dressage...oh, hey, AND MARTIAL ARTS.
Are you actually trained in the Code of Points judging system that's been in place in Figure Skating since 2004, or are you just talking out of your rear?
Speaking as someone who worked within that system, as well as the old one, for more than a decade, this idea that "figure skating is corrupt, har har" is vastly out of date and displays a rather poor understanding of the sport as well as the rules by which it is governed.
It is a human system, and it's not perfect, but singling it out for ridicule as corrupt is to both fundamentally misunderstand the sport, and also to ignore every other competition judged by humans, including diving, synchronized swimming, gymnastics, dressage...oh, hey, AND MARTIAL ARTS.
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