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[Toxi]

A remaster of Melee would probably be the PAL version, so tournament players would probably not use it since they don't generally play the PAL version.

Melee was also the newest smash game at the time.

Sure. Windwaker was also the newest Zelda game at the time.

Plenty of people still play Melee, Brawl, and 64. The idea that those games are "replaced" by Smash 4 is silly.

 

[Phediuk]

Nintendo gives every indication that they see Smash Bros as an additive series, i.e., one where each new game makes the previous one obsolete. The amount of people who would actually want to buy an old Smash Bros game again is not big enough to be worth the investment.

 

[ffdgh]

I'd buy it but not for mostly online play. Melee still has the best single player modes imo.(Classic, adventure, allstar, events, unique target tests) and best pokeballs.

 

[Regulus Tera]

You guys realise that a remaster of Melee would be based on the PAL version, right? And that is the best case scenario. Who knows what else Sakurai would fix about the game.

 

[Japanmanx3]

Even if they did Melee players would find something wrong with it and continue to play the Gamecube version.

This too. I enjoy competitive smash but the infighting is ridiculous.

 

[Not]

Not before an HD Twilight Princess remaster please

 

[CO_Andy]

Sakurai gives no fucks

 

[Coffee Dog]

Sure. Windwaker was also the newest Zelda game at the time.

Plenty of people still play Melee, Brawl, and 64. The idea that those games are "replaced" by Smash 4 is silly.

And I'm sure there are still people that play Mario Kart 64. That doesn't mean that those people are enough to bother making money off of, especially when it would be easier to sell those people on the new game that everyone else is buying.

 

[PadWarrior]

Heck no.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

Nintendo probably want the fans to do it, and then they'll sue them.

 

[BGBW]

- I was looking up copies of Melee and they seem to have gone up quite a bit over the past few years? It'd be nice for casuals to get a copy for a cheap price.

Why? They have Smash 4&5 which have more characters, better models/graphics (GCN version technically is better looking than Smash 3DS, but the models are rather dated now), more stages, loads of music, online and more.

In their eyes this would be like offering FIFA 2001 when they could buy FIFA 2015.

 

[B4s5C]

No, that would further splinter the playerbase on whatever console it comes out on.

 

[Vermillion]

No.

The fraction of people who would buy it aren't worth the investment. Outside a small tournament niche, this would be a waste of time and development money.

There is a very long list of games from Nintendo GC/Wii era that should be rereleased before Melee even comes in to consideration.

And even if they did remake it, they'd only make it more like smash 4 anyway.

This whole thing.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Not before an HD Twilight Princess remaster please

I'd honestly just be happy with an HD release of the soundtrack. Right now we only have the three songs that were in Brawl, everything else is just ultra compressed ROM dumps because of the way the music was compressed.

Song on the disc
Proper soundtrack version

Come on Nintendo. What a waste to have this entire lovely soundtrack compressed to hell. As far as I know, the lossless versions do not exist other than the three songs in Brawl (Hyrule Field, Midna's Lament and the Hidden Village)

 

[Regulus Tera]

Also a remaster of Melee would include the input assists from the following games. The game is stiff as hell when compared to Brawl and 4.

 

[Toxi]

Nintendo gives every indication that they see Smash Bros as an additive series, i.e., one where each new game makes the previous one obsolete.

Reminds me of this article.

Every time a journalist, reviewer or PR guy downplays a game by calling it "outdated" - and that happens a lot - he's legitimizing, promoting even, the behavior of The Elder Scrolls fans that see no value in playing the first titles of the series. He's discrediting gaming as a whole, saying that games are just disposable products - and that these ones have expired.

That is the furthest away from "art" as you can get.

Before we go parading against Roger Ebert's ghost and shouting to the world that games are art, we should look at what we are saying about them ourselves. And the current message is that games are disposable products. That Call of Duty 3 becomes irrelevant once Call of Duty 4 arrives. That those games from 20 years ago are outdated and you should instead buy the reboot/remake/spiritual sequel. And this isn't just the PR department talking, but the press and fans as well!

I personally don't see much point to a Melee remake beyond online play (and if it's the PAL version it'll be pointless for competitive fans anyway), but it worries me to see people act like previous Smash games are "obsolete" because they aren't what's on the store shelves right now.

 

[Mr-Joker]

Nah Melee had its time in the spot light back when it was released on the Game Cube and just gracefully step down and let the latest game in the series have their chance to shine.

Beside Melee fans will find some nit pick with Melee HD and just continue to play on original Melee.

 

[chaosblade]

No, because they wouldn't do it right and it would be a waste of time and money for everyone involved.

If we were to assume they would make a Melee remaster that would actually cater to the audience that is still interested in Melee, and do it correctly, it would be nice to see.

 

[Starwolf_UK]

Given how often remasters change thing and how delicate Melee is I don't think it is a good idea. Also will they use the EU version as a base with its really weird and minor changes.

- Melee and Smash 4 tournaments are already running in tandem anyway right? An update to Melee shouldn't hurt Smash 4 as they currently coexist. Pokemon Co made remakes and new versions alongside each other.

But those are remakes and have updated mechanics so I don't think it is a fit comparison especially with how different the mechanics of Melee to other Smash games.

Not only that but in Pokemon the newest game becomes the one you must play at official tournaments (at least for Gen VI) so from a competitive standpoint they don't co-exist.

 

[Anura]

You guys do realize most of the reason the PAL version isn't used is because of how hard it is to get? Most melee weeklies are very grass root in nature and asking everyone to import a pal copy is just plain stupid. Asking everyone to switch over would only hurt the scene

 

[Phocks]

If sakurai isn't allowed to touch it.

 

[KingBroly]

No. Melee needs to lie down at some point.

 

[madstarr12]

No, those exaggerative Melee fans will find something wrong with it, and besides, there are other more important games that could use a remaster.

 

[wild wild rice]

Sounds like a waste of time.

 

[El Sabroso]

Yes, it would also out sell Smash 4 Wii U easy

 

[Anth0ny]

No.

The fraction of people who would buy it aren't worth the investment. Outside a small tournament niche, this would be a waste of time and development money.

There is a very long list of games from Nintendo GC/Wii era that should be rereleased before Melee even comes in to consideration.

And even if they did remake it, they'd only make it more like smash 4 anyway.

yes exactly

all of those old, forgotten games that sold way less than melee are definitely worth remaking above melee

star fox adventures HD is definitely worth the investment and not a waste of time and money

 

[daxgame]

No.

The fraction of people who would buy it aren't worth the investment. Outside a small tournament niche, this would be a waste of time and development money.

There is a very long list of games from Nintendo GC/Wii era that should be rereleased before Melee even comes in to consideration.

these kind of posts are amusing. It's not like a remaster would mean "Super Smash Bros Tournament Mode".
Plenty of people would likely buy it anyway since it's still one of the best Nintendo games ever. It just happens to also be super-popular.
There's literally very few games like Mario Sunshine that would make more sense to see in HD and that's it.
I'm pretty sure it would do fine, but I wouldn't be against a VC-like release either.

 

[Throwaway123456789]

No. Melee needs to lie down at some point.

Except it's only gaining popularity and has pretty much exploded the last three years or so as a competative esports game. It's breaking records in attendees like every other month.

 

[Snakeyes]

I don't see why not. Keep the gameplay the exact same as the original NTSC version, add higher-res assets and a robust online play mode, done. Keeps costs down and the fanbase happy.

 

[chaosblade]

these kind of posts are amusing. It's not like a remaster would mean "Super Smash Bros Tournament Mode".
Plenty of people would likely buy it anyway since it's still one of the best Nintendo games ever. It just happens to also be super-popular.
There's literally very few games like Mario Sunshine that would make more sense to see in HD and that's it.
I'm pretty sure it would do fine, but I wouldn't be against a VC-like release either.

This would honestly be the best bet, put it on the eShop and have it run similar to how Nintendont handles GC games, with support for the USB adapter.

 

[TheDinoman]

Yes, it would also out sell Smash 4 Wii U easy

You really sure about that?

 

[Regulus Tera]

Yes, it would also out sell Smash 4 Wii U easy

Who cares, Smash 3DS outsells both.

 

[Jigolo]

Yes. CRT TVs are way to fucking heavy.

 

[Pokemaniac]

Hahahaha

when

hahahaha

Not sure why you're so doubtful. It may not happen on Wii U due to insufficient power, but there's no reason to think it won't happen on their next hardware.

 

[Coffee Dog]

Reminds me of this article.



I personally don't see much point to a Melee remake beyond online play (and if it's the PAL version it'll be pointless for competitive fans anyway), but it worries me to see people act like previous Smash games are "obsolete" because they aren't what's on the store shelves right now.

I have to give you props for just how drastically you've misused that article.

It's not "obsolete" because it isn't new. it's simply irrelevant to most consumers because most consumers aren't desperately trying to play the game as a 1v1 fast as hell comp fighter with 10 viable characters, items turned off, wacky physics manipulation, and a small number of stages in play. nor are the other minor differences like target challenges or event matches large or enough or cared enough for that they make or break sales either.

and nintendo's design goals for the series are to satisfy that audience first and foremost. if you want the game to be designed around 1v1 tourney play you should play a series with that as it's intended goal or you're going to be repeatedly disappointed by the design of the game.

 

[Toxi]

No. Melee needs to lie down at some point.

Why should it? People still enjoy the game and play it.

I have to give you props for just how drastically you've misused that article.

It's not "obsolete" because it isn't new. it's irrelevant to most consumers because most consumers aren't desperately trying to play the game as a 1v1 fast as hell comp fighter with 10 viable characters, items turned off, wacky physics manipulation, and a small number of stages in play. nor are the other minor differences like target challenges or event matches large or enough or cared enough for that they make or break sales either.

Again, this was the most popular game on the GameCube. The majority of people who owned it never played competitively.

And no I'm not misusing the article. When people are saying that previous Smash games are "obsolete" because of a new shinier title, that's exactly the worrying trend the article is talking about.

and nintendo's design goals for the series are to satisfy that audience first and foremost. if you want the game to be designed around 1v1 tourney play you should play a series with that as it's intended goal or you're going to be repeatedly disappointed by the design of the game.

When the fuck did I ask for a game designed around 1v1 tourney play? Don't use strawman arguments.

 

[ffdgh]

Yes, it would also out sell Smash 4 Wii U easy

Ehhh I dobut it. Plus there's still smash 3ds.

edit: Beaten.

 

[KelpPlankton]

no, the series should keep moving forward, not moving backwards. and despite what crazy people think, a melee HD would not outsell a new smash bros. it has less of everything, the general public would not be interested

however they should release the original as a downloadable title on the wii u

 

[illmatic22]

Should? I dunno. I'd buy the f out of it tho.

 

[Rich!]

Not sure why you're so doubtful. It may not happen on Wii U due to insufficient power.

...insufficient power to run gamecube games? wut

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=927094

works fine for me.

spoiler: the Wii U can run all Gamecube games natively. In fact, I was just playing Smash Bros Melee on my Wii U just earlier today.

 

[ffdgh]

no, the series should keep moving forward, not moving backwards.

There's a brawl joke here somewhere. /s

 

[Josh5890]

Maybe as a launch day VC download for the NX console I guess. I see a brand new F-Zero game having a better chance of coming out next generation.

 

[Pokemaniac]

- Melee and Smash 4 tournaments are already running in tandem anyway right? An update to Melee shouldn't hurt Smash 4 as they currently coexist. Pokemon Co made remakes and new versions alongside each other.

The Pokemon remakes update the mechanics of the games to be in line with the current games. Isn't the point of a Melee remake exactly so they don't do that?

 

[Mysterious]

...insufficient power to run gamecube games? wut

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=927094


works fine for me.

spoiler: the Wii U can run all Gamecube games natively.

Maybe he meant insufficient resources?

 

[chaosblade]

no, the series should keep moving forward, not moving backwards. and despite what crazy people think, a melee HD would not outsell a new smash bros. it has less of everything, the general public would not be interested

however they should release the original as a downloadable title on the wii u

"Forward" and "backward" are relative terms, people who think the series has moved backward mechanically might not feel that a bunch of new content is enough to make up the difference.


I think people understate the Melee scene. Yes, it's absolutely a minority of the people who buy Smash games, but it's still a sizable audience. And despite the age of the game, it's a growing audience.

 

[Coffee Dog]

Again, this was the most popular game on the GameCube. The majority of people who owned it never played competitively.

And no I'm not misusing the article. When people are saying that previous Smash games are "obsolete" because of a new shinier title, that's exactly the worrying trend the article is talking about.

Brawl was one of the most popular games on the Wii. Smash 4 is one of the most popular games on the Wii U.

Smash is always popular. Melee wasn't popular because it was Melee, it was popular because it was the newest Smash game. If the audience was at all attached to Melee's mechanics, Brawl would have had a lot more pushback than it did. But it didn't, because hardly anybody gives a shit about what Melee does better than the other games.

 

[Josh5890]

The Pokemon remakes update the mechanics of the games to be in line with the current games. Isn't the point of a Melee remake exactly so they don't do that.

If the smallest thing is changed from the original Melee gameplay wise, fanboys would probably disown the remaster.

 

[atbigelow]

No.

 

[Rich!]

Maybe he meant insufficient resources?

nope, pretty clear he didn't mean that. He said "insufficient power"

Which is complete tosh. The Wii U has full Wii backwards compatibility and as such also has full Gamecube backwards compatibility too. Nintendo could easily implement it. They just don't give a fuck.

 

[Regulus Tera]

...insufficient power to run gamecube games? wut

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=927094

works fine for me.

spoiler: the Wii U can run all Gamecube games natively. In fact, I was just playing Smash Bros Melee on my Wii U just earlier today.

That stretching is hideous