And some, probably, are all for it.MikeOfTheLivingDead said:I don't think this is lost on anyone. What you are missing is that people just don't give a crap.
And some, probably, are all for it.MikeOfTheLivingDead said:I don't think this is lost on anyone. What you are missing is that people just don't give a crap.
NinjaFusion said:i am disgusted by this man.
1 - i will no longer buy shadow complex
2 - i will never buy a product from epic again for working with a public figure who promotes such utter hateful crap
3 - my copies of gears 2, gears, and unreal are going to be traded in.
MrHicks said:you guys would buy furniture put together in concentration camps made by Hitler Inc. too?
who cares about his views right ? they make damn good tables
it DOES matter how products are made or whos associated with them for fucks sake
I AM JOHN! said:If Shadow Complex was pushing his mormon or homophobic agenda, then sure, why not? But it's not, so I don't really see the point of depriving myself of playing an awesome game.
Epic Tier 3 Engineer said:But this particular work does not make any political commentary about homosexuality.
Also, throwing around the word "homophobic" is disingenuous and a miserable term to use to stereotype those with different views on homosexuality.
bonesmccoy said:And if you're against a Mormon choosing to follow their beliefs in the public square, you're holding an anti-Mormon prejudice?
MacBosse said:Wow ... anyways, been playing Shadow Complex to death today. It's an awesome game, and I recommend everyone who enjoys good games to buy it.
There are much much better ways to deal with this Card fellow than to try to boycott this game.
Ah well ... back to the game!
Edit poster above is going loonie. :lol
I think this post bears repeating, not for the poster's ultimate decision, but for the sane, rational way he conveys himself.Tryph said:I find this topic to be very interesting.
Being scandinavian I have personally never come across Card's work or any of his personal views.
After reading the post in this thread that actually attempted to bring something to the discussion I don't think I can support this game. I base this on the information that Card is an active and public figure in organisations such as NOM.
I don't think this is a simple issue, since from what I've read the game itself does not contain any of Card's personal views. Which, to me, means that I have no problem with the game itself, but rather with Chair's choice to use Card.
Don't know about most people, but I think that having the information and making a choice based on it is better than not having the information at all. I'm glad the OP brought this to my attention.
:lolcharlequin said:This is high-school stoner philosophy bullshit. "Isn't it, like, wrong to discriminate against cannibals, because they're just, like, following their beliefs, man? *koff*"
dallow_bg said:And some, probably, are all for it.
NinjaFusion said:i am disgusted by this man.
For an educated man to have such an opinion in the age we currently live in is sickening. As a gay man i cannot give my money to any company who see's value in the sorts of people who would bring more inequality to our world.
Sorry epic, but i cannot buy your products while you make this man rich.
people can have their opinion... fine... but this guy has been on record - basically lobbying for hatred.
it saddens me but i will not be able to bring myself to touch their products now.
kadotsu said:There is truth to what you said, but if enough people really care they can try to get a statement out of chair in which they distance themself from extreme political views or maybe even bring them cease future cooperation with Orson.
NinjaFusion said:Sorry epic, but i cannot buy your products while you make this man rich.
Askani said:Then don't forget your 2K games, your Square Enix games, Sega, Koei, THQ, Microsoft, Activision...etc. All these people people licensed the Unreal 3 engine.
If the company said that Card's proceeds from the sale of the game would instead go to those other employees, I might consider buying the game.TheChillyAcademic said:It's their choice. Again, Card is a fucking moron, but he has a right to say what he wants. Punishing the entire development team for one persons idiotic ranting is like saying you hate all homosexuals because one of them speaks out against straight people.
Godwin's law in action, my friend.Fixed1979 said:Yay, the Hitler/Nazi argument!
Actually, let's follow the trail of money and put everyone on that list and that would now include Nintendo, Sony, and a whole host of others because they, at some point in the chain, receive money because of licensing fees and other shit for titles they approve for release not to mention, in Sony's case, they courted Epic for their engine's use on the platform and have worked with them to improve its performance on the platform. The chain for anything, based on association, or even the long and often disjointed path of money can go out as far as you want it to. At what point is it still an issue? Anyway...it's a silly thing to bring up in this thread.Askani said:Then don't forget your 2K games, your Square Enix games, Sega, Koei, THQ, Microsoft, Activision...etc. All these people people licensed the Unreal 3 engine.
I'm not trying to say that you should give a crap, you missed the point of my post. Lots of people are trying to say "there are a bunch of people out there who are against gay marriage, why don't you boycott everything" as if the only reason people want to boycott is because they don't have the same opinions as Card. The problem people have is that Card uses his money and power to fight gay-rights, most people don't, even if they don't agree with gay marriage.MikeOfTheLivingDead said:I don't think this is lost on anyone. What you are missing is that people just don't give a crap.
Justin said:Did microsoft give Epic money to make this exclusive? Do i have to sell my xbox now?
woodypop said:If the company said that Card's proceeds from the sale of the game would instead go to those other employees, I might consider buying the game.
Somehow, I don't think that's going to happen.
I'm okay with this.soldat7 said:Let's boycott Twilight.
HallucinatingElvis said:I like cock and I bought this game.....wat do I do now!!!???
honeymustardn said:I don't really care about the game or the guy, but from reading the OP, it sounds like by buying this game, you are giving money to a notorious homophobe. And only an idiot would do that.
I plan to not watch a film based on Empire, yes.Ardorx said:Do you guys plan to boycott Warner Bros because they plan on making a film based on Empire?
SoulPlaya said:Do you realize how many people's livelihood and hard work went into this game? Many people who I'm sure are fine people. Dude, please.
NinjaFusion said:i am disgusted by this man.
1 - i will no longer buy shadow complex
2 - i will never buy a product from epic again for working with a public figure who promotes such utter hateful crap
3 - my copies of gears 2, gears, and unreal are going to be traded in.
For an educated man to have such an opinion in the age we currently live in is sickening. As a gay man i cannot give my money to any company who see's value in the sorts of people who would bring more inequality to our world.
Sorry epic, but i cannot buy your products while you make this man rich.
people can have their opinion... fine... but this guy has been on record - basically lobbying for hatred.
it saddens me but i will not be able to bring myself to touch their products now.
NinjaFusion said:i would just like to add this.... i have just been reading about his campaign.... it was an organised and systematic lobby to to away the rights of people.
after this i will not send these game out to create potentially a new fan that he could profit from
There's a difference and trying to obfuscate it with a overly broad example doesn't work. The difference between "rewarding Michael Vick" by being an NFL fan and buying an Orson Scott Card-based game is pretty massive.VALIS said:By buying most things in this world you're giving money to homophobes, racists and all other manner of dickholes. You have to draw the line somewhere, though, unless you want to subsist on carrots from your own backyard. Carrot shoes! Carrot hat! Carrot soup for dinner again?! The game doesn't seem to promote or even imply a homophobic agenda, and someone would be making a real desperate argument to suggest the game will fund anti-homosexual activities. That's like the anti-drug ads that say you're funding violent terrorist actions by buying pot! You can do that with almost fucking anything, keep following the money gained from Product X and see what manner of unagreeable opinions or actions it supports down the line.
As an animal lover, should I stop watching and supporting the NFL because of Michael Vick? Or do you draw the line somewhere short of that with the realization he's a tiny part of a much larger entity?
MightyHedgehog said:Actually, let's follow the trail of money and put everyone on that list and that would now include Nintendo, Sony, and a whole host of others because they, at some point in the chain, receive money because of licensing fees and other shit for titles they approve for release not to mention, in Sony's case, they courted Epic for their engine's use on the platform and have worked with them to improve its performance on the platform. The chain for anything, based on association, or even the long and often disjointed path of money can go out as far as you want it to. At what point is it still an issue? Anyway...it's a silly thing to bring up in this thread.
Y2Kev said:The idea isn't to deprive Chair of funds (though that might be the idea if it came to light that they held the same views Card does), but instead to make the point clear (and also deprive CARD of funds) that the association WITH Card is damaging and undesirable. I think this has been relatively clear since the first post, though people continue to see it as some kind of punishment for the evil mormons at Chair.
And boycotting every company that licenses UE3 does nothing to speak to this purpose OR to deprive Card of his royalties. Unless you believe he gets royalties from UE3.
ShockingAlberto said:I plan to not watch a film based on Empire, yes.
TheChillyAcademic said:That isn't the point. The point is that while Card will receive proceeds for his "contributions", not purchasing the game effects more then just Card, speaking specifically of profit.
Epic wouldn't make a profit from the resale, Gamestop would .NinjaFusion said:i would just like to add this.... i have just been reading about his campaign.... it was an organised and systematic lobby to to away the rights of people.
after this i will not send these game out to create potentially a new fan that he could profit from