BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Vyse The Legend said:
Voices from the dead?
Voices from another dimension?
One of the two.
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"Silent Hill" - Afterparty Discussion Thread ***SPOILERS***
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Voices from the dead?
Voices from another dimension?
One of the two.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
frAntic_Frog said:
Know one knows. My take is that, from the time of the barb wire rape, and the ending, Sharon got possesed by the Reaper. The reaper can cross multiple planes, so, she is probably the reason why they could get to the house. I guess since Rosa, fufilled her task, but, in the process helped a bigger evil, Silent Hill didn't let her go.
It can be interpreted many ways...thats the beauty of it.
Vyse The Legend said:
I thought he could hear her voice mixed in with the static...like when a signal starts to drop. Don't remember though...Hmm...Did he even try and contact her? More than once?
BiPolarGod
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OldSchoolGamer said:
Yeah... I don't think he ever tried to call her back. Past the first three times anyways in the very beginning.
EDIT: Oh, and Boco. I wasn't referring directly to you.. I just saw some bitching while skimming through.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
BiPolarGod said:
Yea, i almost sure he didn't...Wait...why didn't he? If that was my wife, I would have been on the phone almost every other minute or so.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
shidoshi said:
Right, but if it didn't have a missing child, it wouldn't be an adaptation of SH1.
If you don't have a sinning main character, it's not SH2, it's something else.
blindrocket
Member
Chiggs said:
This boy needs perma-banned.
And I'm not kidding, either.
BiPolarGod
Member
Oldschoolgamer said:
I was under the impressiong that
due to Rose basically "kidnapping" Sharon and taking her to SH without Chris's knowing, that the two were having marital problems. Wasn't really announced, but can be found evident through Rose's actions opposed to Chris's. He just preferred to take action by going to Silent Hill and trying to find Sharon's background story for Rose instead of actually trying to contact her repeatedly, which he knew wouldn't work, due to the staticky voicemails he received from her.
Vyse The Legend said:
Vague mysteriousness from beyond.
The will of the "dead"/those in the so called purgatory to reach out to those whom they love. Maybe if he truly cared about Rose (or as much as Sharon, whom it seems he favors), he would have heard what she wanted him to hear? Maybe it's impossible for him to get the message. But, yeah, as has been said, it's just a vague way of getting some point across. What the point is is a mystery of Silent Hill.
P.S. The INSTANT the DVD gets released, I demand
Pyramid head, Annie, and dancing Reeper under a rain of blood gifs.
So awesome. :lol
BiPolarGod
Member
Gantz said:
http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/silenthill/characters/
All the bitches you could want.
The Take Out Bandit
Member
Those nurses give me wood. :X
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
BiPolarGod said:
Yea, hence the credit card getting canceled and whatnot..got you. You are right...
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
Archie said:
Umm...those two scenes are really bad. Play resident evil 4 and watch some of the SH cutscenes on the internet. The hostel face melt was also up there with this.
Ninja Scooter
Member
just got back from watching SH. This coming from someone who only played parts of SH1 and 2 and generally doesn't like the games, and didn't really follow the development of the movie (i dont' think i ever even saw a trailer for it): I actually enjoyed it. It was a LOT bloodier and gorier than i went in expecting. the Pyramid head dude was pretty badass,
wish they would have done more with him. the rest of the baddies were also done very well.
i am though, a little perplexed at the plot, it wasn't as clear as i thought it could have been. Tell me if i got it right:
the way he kills that crazy cult bitch was insane! the entire theatre groaned
i am though, a little perplexed at the plot, it wasn't as clear as i thought it could have been. Tell me if i got it right:
Sharon and her evil twin were both "parts" of Alessa? Was Sharon dead the whole time, or only after she helped Alessa get revenge on the religious wackjobs? Were Rose and Sharon both dead the whole time and her husband was just some crazy guy thinking he was looking for them?
BiPolarGod
Member
Archie said:
Although I admit it'd be disgusting to see in person... seeing it glorified on the Theatre screen made me giggle like
the Reaper dancing in Cristabella's crotch blood.
BiPolarGod
Member
Ninja Scooter said:
Re-read some of the forum... about page 11 and onward. lol. Most of your questions will be slightly answered... but for the most part... the interpretation is up to you.
blindrocket
Member
As most of you, I thought the film was amazing.
I'm still thinking about the ending, trying to piece together what I think happened.
I'm still thinking about the ending, trying to piece together what I think happened.
One possible ending I'm thinking about going with, is that Rose is stuck in the Silent Hill fog, and Sharon was replaced/possessed with the evil Alessa. Just before the last blackout in the church, Evil Alessa has come up on Sharon, got really close to her and causes her to pass out. Later, when they were trying to leave SH, the car wouldn't start, and the evil Alessa/Sharon started the car with her powers. Watch the film, notice what she does right there. They drive back home, and go into the house, where Rose just sits there. Not really caring about anything, but happy that she has her daughter and that's she's home, just content on having that feeling for the rest of eternity. Sharon/Alessa leaves her mom and the couch and just walks off, completely NOT the behavior a little girl would have after going through what they went through.
Ninja Scooter
Member
BiPolarGod said:
probably should have done that before posting, but i did read some other posts and it did clear some stuff up a bit. So they were in
Silent Hill world, while the husband and cop were in the real world, where SH was just an abandoned town? Cause the cop and husband were there during the alarms/darkness and they weren't affected by it at all. The theory that Bennet and Rose were killed in their respective auto accidents seems the most plausible, but if that were the case it would have been nice for them to make it a little clearer. oh well, this kind of movie isn't really hurt by leaving some mystery involved so its not that big a deal
another thing i forgot to mention, right from the start the music was fantastic. Really set the mood. especially the music during the quieter, non-action scenes. Really creepy and tense.
BiPolarGod
Member
blindrocket said:
Yup. Nailed it.
It's still up to debate though whether they were actually dead or not. But I still believe they were stuck in the Hell world rather than dead... just wouldn't make sense.
BiPolarGod
Member
Ninja Scooter said:
I agree. The music was astounding... however sometimes, it wasn't synced right with the mood.
Like when Rose is standing on the altar as Allesse is risen up from Hell. The blaring organ music is started maybe 3-4 seconds too early, and it got a chuckle from the audience rather a gasp in shock.
Well I just got back from the movie, after all this wait, the silent hill movie finally arrived, and it was awesome! Some people may have complained there weren't enough new music tracks but I thought the music was incredible. Plus it was the most accurate representation of a game to movie conversion set wise, and in execution of the character moving through it, though I think most of my enjoyment came from being a Silent Hill fan (horror movies aren't my genre). I'd have to agree there were some awkward dialog moments, one in particular Rose says which escapes me right now when she gets to the school was atrocious. Some of the cult members were kinda wonky (maybe because they were cult members), but I'd expect them to put more realistic dialogue like when Heather meets claudia in SH3,
Claudia: "I.....am Claudia."
Heather: "So what???"
that might not be the best acting or script though. However the movie was exactly what I had expected, Gans truly treated his source material with respect, and for that he has my respect too.
All said and done if you're even a little bit curious go and see it, you won't be disappointed. This movie takes certain things and goes the extra mile (some of the choreography of the gore scenes are things i'd never think they'd put in a movie).
Claudia: "I.....am Claudia."
Heather: "So what???"
that might not be the best acting or script though. However the movie was exactly what I had expected, Gans truly treated his source material with respect, and for that he has my respect too.
Now the ending was a sight to behold, reminded me of the fucked up Silent Hill 2 final boss. So the final judgement in this movie is a burned "corpse" child on a bloody hospital bed hooked up to an I.V. with barbed wire thorns holding her up and flying everwhere, and she uses them to impale and rip people apart?! It doesn't get much more fucked up than that. I wonder what people who aren't familiar with the wtf parts of silent hill thought when they saw that. Seeing Pyramid Head just waltz right out of the door in his intro scene out of nowhere unexpected was perfect, it even gave me chills.
However if, having played all 4 of the games, the changes I'd make (again I'm no movie director) its if there was one monster I wish they didn't put in the movie its the cockroaches, cockroach swarms were already done in The Mummy, the rest of the monsters in Silent Hill were unlike anything out there and I think they took away from the awesomeness that is Pyramid Head since he was covered in them as he walked in. I wanted to see him cut someone in half with his big ass sword.
Also didn't care for the intro too much, but it did set up the story. maybe something like SH3 or SH1.
I'm still trying to digest the ending. I would have liked if if they hadn't shown how the Hell version of silent hill materializes until way later in the movie, though it was cool how it comes randomly like in the game, but they basically show how the world changes in the beginning (and how it changes back). But it was still cool. Those are not dealbreakers though, the movie was great the way it was IMO
However if, having played all 4 of the games, the changes I'd make (again I'm no movie director) its if there was one monster I wish they didn't put in the movie its the cockroaches, cockroach swarms were already done in The Mummy, the rest of the monsters in Silent Hill were unlike anything out there and I think they took away from the awesomeness that is Pyramid Head since he was covered in them as he walked in. I wanted to see him cut someone in half with his big ass sword.
Also didn't care for the intro too much, but it did set up the story. maybe something like SH3 or SH1.
I'm still trying to digest the ending. I would have liked if if they hadn't shown how the Hell version of silent hill materializes until way later in the movie, though it was cool how it comes randomly like in the game, but they basically show how the world changes in the beginning (and how it changes back). But it was still cool. Those are not dealbreakers though, the movie was great the way it was IMO
All said and done if you're even a little bit curious go and see it, you won't be disappointed. This movie takes certain things and goes the extra mile (some of the choreography of the gore scenes are things i'd never think they'd put in a movie).
Ninja Scooter said:
There are 3 "Silent Hills". The first is the normal Silent Hill, where the cop and Rose's husband were at. The second is the purgatory Silent Hill, where it is foggy and snows ash. The third is the Hell Silent Hill, when Pyramid Head and all the demons came out.
BiPolarGod
Member
Archie said:
Basically, but
the "Hell and Purgatory" SH's are the same world. The people inside do not change.. they just went inside the church to hide from the Hell and sins that they created by following a false prophet.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Ninja Scooter said:
About the music, all the creepy intense music made it from the game prefectly, I just instantly recognized them. I could barely keep out a grin when the haunting vocal pieced played at the end and followed up with that song in the cool looking ending credits. The first 2 tracks right out of Silent Hill 3 soundtrack!!
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
BiPolarGod said:
Yea, two versions in the same world. I don't remember if this was ever explained in the games, but, what triggers the Hell version? Is it just random, or, is the Reaper trying to catch the people when they are all outside of the church.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
RyuHayate said:
That and the fact that animals, ALWAYS know when something messed up is happening.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
Snaku said:
Thanks. I couldn't remember for the life of me.
Saw this tonite, loved it!
I want to see it again, hope it makes alot money at the box office so can get more good video game to theater movies like this. Oh And the Music fucking rocked! +1 Soundtrack purchase!
I would like to say that GAF is over analyzing the car crash scene. It obvious the developers saw Jacob's Ladder too many times. Cybil and Rose both died there; what happened to their bodies? Who knows! Thats not the only plot hole. I remember the detective telling christopher that he found rose's SUV crashed down the road, but yet he didnt find bodies of her or his officer. He even believed that his officer was still alive, saying how tuff she is. Also where did the burns on his hands come from if it was his father that rescued Alessa from the shackles of the cultist cross?
Anyway here is what I think. Sharon was just a manifestation Alessa's good side. I believe after sharon was torched the reaper was born from her hate. Since she held more hate and pain than good feelings, the reaper was able to fully manifest at her current age. Later on after spending time in that hospital bed Alessa starting having good feelings. The reaper saw this and took the small good feelings she had in the form of a baby to the orphanage.
Anyway here is what I think. Sharon was just a manifestation Alessa's good side. I believe after sharon was torched the reaper was born from her hate. Since she held more hate and pain than good feelings, the reaper was able to fully manifest at her current age. Later on after spending time in that hospital bed Alessa starting having good feelings. The reaper saw this and took the small good feelings she had in the form of a baby to the orphanage.
blindrocket
Member
LuCkymoON said:
That was him that rescued her, not his father. His father owned the barber shop.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
LuCkymoON said:
I'm thinking he knows more than he is leading us to believe.
BiPolarGod said:
thats an interesting point, I was just remembering
that in the final scene before the Reaper goes hell on everyone, Rose is stabbed through he heart by Christabella, however her wounds heal as she "realizes" something and stands up. So if she wasn't dead before, she should have died then, but she didn't. Or maybe it was just symbolic.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Senretsu said:
Well the reaper did disappear into her before hand. She needed a vessal to get through and the towns people inavertantly carried out the reaper's goal.
Saw this last night, and I never played any of the games.
I thought this movie would be a lot worse, but thought that it was pretty straightforward and easy to follow. I felt like the positives of the movie really outweighed the negatives- but I think it's key that I went into the movie expecting to see cool cinematography and crappy dialouge.
Some thoughts:
-Bonus points for having the balls to show Google! I hate fake internet searches in movies.
That said, it was an okay film. A poor horror film, but a decent film.
I thought this movie would be a lot worse, but thought that it was pretty straightforward and easy to follow. I felt like the positives of the movie really outweighed the negatives- but I think it's key that I went into the movie expecting to see cool cinematography and crappy dialouge.
Some thoughts:
-Bonus points for having the balls to show Google! I hate fake internet searches in movies.
- The Janitor seemed really weak to me. When he came alive when everything turned dark, that just felt really underwhelming and almost dumb rather than creepy. There was no suspense, and the creature design really seemed like, "Let's just make this guy fucked up looking, and that'll be creepy!", rather than trying to figure out what specific mechanisms and distortions they could use to optimize fear potential.
- The cult people really built up "the demon", and made it feel like Rose had a huge and dangerous journey ahead of her. But there were just the "Thriller-style" nurses...and that was it.
- Cybil was kicking some serious ass in her last stand next to the elevator with the baton- yet later on she just decided to give up and get beaten down? What the hell was that all about?
-PH wasn't that cool to a "Silent Hill newbie". I think the scarabs detracted a lot from that scene, as you couldn't concentrate on PH. It also would have been cool if they introduced him in a different way- like a flashlight reflecting off of his metallic head in the dark.
- Awesome premise of the ghost town on top of an enflamed coal mine. I love that they used a real town as the basis for this. It also really helped legitimize a lot of the "firey hell" stuff, as it was much more probable to have fire/smoke/lava/etc coming from a real source. I also loved the snowy ash effect. Great stuff- probably my favorite part about the film.
-I felt like sound wasn't used well at all. None of the "fucked up noises" really sounded fucked up at all. There also didn't seem to be much going on surround-sound wise, but that could have been my theater.
-No suspense at all, and there was a whole lot of "showing" rather than "suggesting" in relation to the creatures. I think that took away a lot of their potency.
-The transition from ash Silent Hill to dark Silent Hill and back again was fucking amazing. I loved how the creatures turned into peeling paint and floated up into the ceiling like ashes.
Some stuff that made me laugh:
-"SILLLENT HILL! SILLLLENT HILLLL!"
-The huge overly dramatic organ chime at the end
-The extremity of gore/blood dancing/skinning/burning
- The cult people really built up "the demon", and made it feel like Rose had a huge and dangerous journey ahead of her. But there were just the "Thriller-style" nurses...and that was it.
- Cybil was kicking some serious ass in her last stand next to the elevator with the baton- yet later on she just decided to give up and get beaten down? What the hell was that all about?
-PH wasn't that cool to a "Silent Hill newbie". I think the scarabs detracted a lot from that scene, as you couldn't concentrate on PH. It also would have been cool if they introduced him in a different way- like a flashlight reflecting off of his metallic head in the dark.
- Awesome premise of the ghost town on top of an enflamed coal mine. I love that they used a real town as the basis for this. It also really helped legitimize a lot of the "firey hell" stuff, as it was much more probable to have fire/smoke/lava/etc coming from a real source. I also loved the snowy ash effect. Great stuff- probably my favorite part about the film.
-I felt like sound wasn't used well at all. None of the "fucked up noises" really sounded fucked up at all. There also didn't seem to be much going on surround-sound wise, but that could have been my theater.
-No suspense at all, and there was a whole lot of "showing" rather than "suggesting" in relation to the creatures. I think that took away a lot of their potency.
-The transition from ash Silent Hill to dark Silent Hill and back again was fucking amazing. I loved how the creatures turned into peeling paint and floated up into the ceiling like ashes.
Some stuff that made me laugh:
-"SILLLENT HILL! SILLLLENT HILLLL!"
-The huge overly dramatic organ chime at the end
-The extremity of gore/blood dancing/skinning/burning
That said, it was an okay film. A poor horror film, but a decent film.
typhonsentra
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Or maybe having them there is just an excuse to get the dad to come after them in the sequel I assume they're planning?
The Take Out Bandit
Member
Wow, I couldn't disagree more.
Christophe Gans used his directorial power to tease, provoke, and generally lead the audience around like a good horror director should. Too often these days directors just use cheap scares that you know are coming (The Grudge), etc. I found Silent Hill to provide a claustrophobic and terrifying atmosphere without resorting to cheap / obvious scares.
There's more to horror than arterial spray and a body count.
Oh also big points for never obscuring my view of anything. Other directors should take notes, not everything has to be a god damned fast cut / edit, with shitty camera work.