Vyse The Legend
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The Take Out Bandit said:
I agree 100%. Whenever I hear sirens, I get scared now. "OH KNOES! The darkness is coming!"
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I agree 100%. Whenever I hear sirens, I get scared now. "OH KNOES! The darkness is coming!"
The Take Out Bandit
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I grew up during the Cold War, so whenever I hear air raid sirens I'm still kissing my ass goodbye in a nuclear holocaust. 
God damn, I was the most terrified child on the planet back in those days.
God damn, I was the most terrified child on the planet back in those days.
Vyse The Legend
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The Take Out Bandit said:I grew up during the Cold War, so whenever I hear air raid sirens I'm still kissing my ass goodbye in a nuclear holocaust.
God damn, I was the most terrified child on the planet back in those days.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lW4s7TETtJA&search=duck and cover
You reminded me of this video. :lol
The Take Out Bandit
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Remember kids! Bury your face in the dirt so you just lose the skin on the other 95% of your body, then die slowly and horribly from burns and radiation poisoning. Aren't you glad your pa had that copy of Newsweek to prevent that burn to your eyebrows? :lol
The Take Out Bandit said:
I think you misunderstood me. I really liked what he did achieve in terms of slower pacing, etc- but felt that he didn't go nearly far enough. I did appreciate the lack of cheap scares quite a bit, and congratulate Gans from moving in that direction.
Like I said, he did lots and lots of showing, without nearly any suggesting when it came to the actual "scary stuff". Things we half-see are always scarier than something we can see all of, all at once. He did a good job of using the siren as a psychological primer, which worked quite well. But other sound cues really didn't work at all, or weren't even there. A good horror movie has to have good sound, and I really didn't feel that this film understood that.
It's a decent film in terms of a mystery/slightly creepy genre, but comes nowhere near being scary. The director showed a fundamental lack of understanding of the underlying psychological elements of fear. Which is ok- but it doesn't make for a good "horror" movie in the truest sense.
I don't consider the Grudge/Ring/etc to be good horror films, by the way.
edit- I also hate the "girl runs by the window really fast so you can't really see her" school of thought- I mean that I like "suggesting" and "half-showing" in terms of longer camera sequences that make use of the natural environment.
The Take Out Bandit
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I'm not citing The Grudge as a good horror flick, I'm just using it as a convenient example. The Ring can eat an ass. Just sounds dumb as hell, but I appreciate all the silly girl crawling out of a TV joke manga that has come of it.
Perhaps the sound system in your theater isn't up to snuff, or you should stop watching pirated movies.
The sound design of the movie was quite rocking. It had the random moans, sighs, and grunts that were present in Silent Hill for no other reason than to mess with you. The scene where
was a great example of the excellent use of sound in the movie.
Perhaps the sound system in your theater isn't up to snuff, or you should stop watching pirated movies.
The sound design of the movie was quite rocking. It had the random moans, sighs, and grunts that were present in Silent Hill for no other reason than to mess with you. The scene where
Rose is attacked by the ash gimps when she first enters the Otherworld
Vyse The Legend
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Wendo said:
What? Did we see the same movie?
Saw it , group of 5 friends total and I thought it was... well mediocre at best. The script was horrible and aside from the little girl the acting wasn't so shit hot either. I was left basically thinking that well... as good as some games are they simply don't translate into film that well.
One friend said was ridiculous crap and he loves the games, he simply couldn't get past how bad the dialog was. His girlfriend liked it and was actuallly scared a couple of times and out of the remaining 2 friends 1 thought it was allright and the other didn't really understand the story.
I mean, I look at this film much the same way I"d look at say a harry potter movie, if you've read the harry potter book you understand whats going on adn what was cut out, you can link the gaps and script holes. With silent hill the movie , not playing any of the games would definetly negativly affect your enjoyment of the film becuase it's paced like a videogame storyline and the script is poor.
Definetly not a movie for just anyone, only a specific kind of silent hill fan would really enjoy this I think.
One friend said was ridiculous crap and he loves the games, he simply couldn't get past how bad the dialog was. His girlfriend liked it and was actuallly scared a couple of times and out of the remaining 2 friends 1 thought it was allright and the other didn't really understand the story.
I mean, I look at this film much the same way I"d look at say a harry potter movie, if you've read the harry potter book you understand whats going on adn what was cut out, you can link the gaps and script holes. With silent hill the movie , not playing any of the games would definetly negativly affect your enjoyment of the film becuase it's paced like a videogame storyline and the script is poor.
Definetly not a movie for just anyone, only a specific kind of silent hill fan would really enjoy this I think.
I loved the cheezy. It always annoys me how the characters in movies never comment on how fucked up and odd the situations they are in are. I loved it how a lot of dialogue was focused on "how fucked up" the situation was, or how "everything will be ok" as if anything could ever be ok again after going through that. Also the overuse of the term "burn her." The cheese was what made the whole darkness of the experience bearable.
Saw it tonight. Thought it was pretty well done. With regard to Rose/Ending I personally think
she and the cop were dead right fromt he beginning after she crashed the car. There are many references/hints of that. Also I think it explains why she's very calm after getting home in the end.
The Take Out Bandit said:Perhaps the sound system in your theater isn't up to snuff, or you should stop watching pirated movies.
No, I saw a matinee in a theater, as I mentioned before.
I think the sound system was probably pretty shitty at the theater I went to, so that could certainly have had an impact. But I still feel like the sound design was rather generic- it came nowhere close to reaching the fucked up nature of some of the sounds in "Naked Lunch", for example. I'll hold off though on final thoughts though until I can see the film on DVD on a decent speaker setup.
BiPolarGod
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Senretsu said:
Naw no real symbolization or reason she should've died. The Reaper entered Rose's body in the hospital, using her as a vessel to get inside of the Puritan church. Once Cristabella stabbed her in the heart (which could possibly be symbolic) The Reaper exited Rose's body and Hell was brought upon the church. Rose's wounds were healed, I'm guessing, by the Reaper as a come-upance for being the vessel to bring her into the church to reap her vengeance upon the cultists. I say that Rose's "death" by being stabbed in the heart could be symbolic because she played the part of the martyr. You can be a martyr even if you're going against God... or should I say "God" himself, considering Cristabella was a false prophet.
That's a lot to swallow and think about. I doubt Gan had all of this in mind :lol
Well I just saw it last night and I have to say:
-as a fan of the games ( I'm a SH fanatic) I liked the movie (huge fan service here)
-but as a moviegoer it was rather lame
-I can see why there's no OST attached to the movie as any fan would already have the soundtrack, but what of the mainstream movie goers?
-the dialogue was poor but the eye candy covered up that fact.
-The gore wasn't as bad as I thought, but done well
-Unlike the reviews I thought the special effects were great! On par with most movies so I don't know what they're talking about.
-the movie wasn't scary but had its tense moments, adrenaline was going high on some parts
-overall I thought the movie was good but poorly edited which probably is the reaso for the poor reviews.
-as a fan of the games ( I'm a SH fanatic) I liked the movie (huge fan service here)
-but as a moviegoer it was rather lame
-I can see why there's no OST attached to the movie as any fan would already have the soundtrack, but what of the mainstream movie goers?
-the dialogue was poor but the eye candy covered up that fact.
Sharon yelling "Silent Hill" was awkeard
-Unlike the reviews I thought the special effects were great! On par with most movies so I don't know what they're talking about.
-the movie wasn't scary but had its tense moments, adrenaline was going high on some parts
-overall I thought the movie was good but poorly edited which probably is the reaso for the poor reviews.
I love the little references to the games. Even the scene of Cybil and Rose jumping from one building to the other was straigt from the page of SH2. The monsters were well designed but underused.
The church end scene was very "Silent Hill." Did they ever explained why Alessa was a witch? I think I missed that part.
Even though they casted Dahlia as the "victim" i couldn't help but think there's more to it and they intentionally showed. At the back of my mind i felt like she was hiding something. But that's only cause I played the games and new her real story.
I would definitely buy this on DVD when it comes out, which would probably soon seeing as a lot of people were disapointed when leaving the theatre. But only cause I'm a huge fan.
From seeing the movie I vcan't help but think that this movie was rushed. I don't expect a sequal, which is too bad, we need more pyramid head!
Definitely better than the other game->movie adaptions.
The church end scene was very "Silent Hill." Did they ever explained why Alessa was a witch? I think I missed that part.
Even though they casted Dahlia as the "victim" i couldn't help but think there's more to it and they intentionally showed. At the back of my mind i felt like she was hiding something. But that's only cause I played the games and new her real story.
I would definitely buy this on DVD when it comes out, which would probably soon seeing as a lot of people were disapointed when leaving the theatre. But only cause I'm a huge fan.
From seeing the movie I vcan't help but think that this movie was rushed. I don't expect a sequal, which is too bad, we need more pyramid head!
Definitely better than the other game->movie adaptions.
Ugh, I missed a day and 22 pages...
Wow, my expectations have been significantly lowered. A Metacritic average of 29% WTF? Strangely though, the public seems to be much more favourable (Metacritic: 9.0, IMDB: 7.4). I've never seen such discrepancy before. Could be the result of fanboyism though.
So acting and especially writing is bad, eh? Too bad, I had a good feeling about that. *Sigh* I feared that Gans and Avary were a little too nerdy with the movie, but eventually they were *way too* nerdy with it, concerning the story. Only not where I wanted them to be, so much I've learned from the trailers.
(The background story to Silent Hill and Alessa's role/appearance)
Still looking forward to good visuals and the music of course.
Wow, my expectations have been significantly lowered. A Metacritic average of 29% WTF? Strangely though, the public seems to be much more favourable (Metacritic: 9.0, IMDB: 7.4). I've never seen such discrepancy before. Could be the result of fanboyism though.
So acting and especially writing is bad, eh? Too bad, I had a good feeling about that. *Sigh* I feared that Gans and Avary were a little too nerdy with the movie, but eventually they were *way too* nerdy with it, concerning the story. Only not where I wanted them to be, so much I've learned from the trailers.
(The background story to Silent Hill and Alessa's role/appearance)Still looking forward to good visuals and the music of course.
Cosmozone said:
Have a look at Advent Children's rating and draw your own conclusions (yes the situation is not quite the same since advent children didn't get a theatrical release)
Saw the film late last night with some friends, and as a Silent Hill Fan (still need to play 4 though) I thought it did justice to the entire series. I think many complainers are stereotypically analyzing it as a stupid game-movie, and ignoring it as a complex film/story (or just have their hopes to fucking high). Still I admit, and agree.. the acting/script needed some serious work. The characters emotions, and actions just seemed phony as hell (very unrealistic/illogical when reflecting to the insane situations they were in at times). Examples like...
Still I felt the Pros of the film, easily outweighed the Cons. Also the movie seemed to leave plenty for a sequel, which will hopefully improve upon what has been started
.
Oh, and my Theory:
-Why would you bring your daughter, to her worst nightmare intentionally ?!
-Couldn't Dahlia been a decent Mother, and at least tried get help way before they began sacraficing her child ?!
-Why did Sharon look 12-13ish, but acted like she was 3 (definitely no Dakota Fanning) ?!
-The town's folk seemed like they came out the 1800s, more so than the 1970s.
-How the in hell are you a witch (needing to be cleansed/killed to add), just because you don't have a father around (I mean WTF) ?!
-Couldn't Dahlia been a decent Mother, and at least tried get help way before they began sacraficing her child ?!
-Why did Sharon look 12-13ish, but acted like she was 3 (definitely no Dakota Fanning) ?!
-The town's folk seemed like they came out the 1800s, more so than the 1970s.
-How the in hell are you a witch (needing to be cleansed/killed to add), just because you don't have a father around (I mean WTF) ?!
Still I felt the Pros of the film, easily outweighed the Cons. Also the movie seemed to leave plenty for a sequel, which will hopefully improve upon what has been started
(like actually have some Pyramid sexual loving scenes)
Oh, and my Theory:
Rose, Sharon, and Cybil all died on their way to Silent Hill. Just like the rest, their spirits became stuck in the town. Even though it seemed Rose saved the day, and left Silent Hill with Sharon.. Silent Hill has yet to leave either of them. No matter where she goes, both their souls are now held captive by the "Reaper". Now my only question is, what happened to the fucking bodies.. ?!
TheJollyCorner
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I heard quite a few people (many who don't even play video games), both in person and on the net, talk about going to see this, as well as a second viewing for some others. I was thrilled when I heard a girl from my work say "I saw it and I can't stop thinking about the ending. My friends and I are going again tonight!" I'm anxious to see what this pulls in for the weekend.
TheJollyCorner
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Matix said:
come on... use your imagination!
my imagination tells me the bodies were engulfed by Silent Hill, that part that can transition between dimensions; i.e. like how Rose opened their house door, but her and Sharon were in a completely different dimension. There seems to be some kind of mysterious, physical cross-over.
I saw this last night. I was really impressed.
Good show.
The movie really represented the town of Silent Hill well. I was a bit confused about what was going on (of course - that's the Silent Hill way), and actually never thought through the entire movie that Rose, Sharron and Cybil were actually dead. I guess when the cop told Chris that they found her Jeep I just figured that there was something supernatural that pulled them into the town etc... I don't recall the cop ever saying that they found Cybil's bike there. Just that he knew that Cybil was taking care of the situation (possibly because Cybil had run Rose's plate or something and there was record of that).
I really liked that the "Reaper" character was brought into the movie. I was worried that the enemies in the movie were just going to be some of the people there. But the Reaper seems to be more a representation of the evil that the town of Silent Hill and that will never die. That's what I've always gotten from the games at least.
Pyramid Head looked amazing! I was totally not expecting for them to be able to bring him into a movie. Very impressed with that. I hope they make some figures for this movie. A Pyramid Head figure would own.
I don't think I have anything to add to the speculation/ breakdown of what happened in the movie. Everyone here has explained it pretty well.
I do believe that The Reaper is now in Sharron. Possibly having Alissa, Sharron and the Reaper now all joined inside what we knew as Sharron. And now the Reaper is out of Silent Hill.
I really liked that the "Reaper" character was brought into the movie. I was worried that the enemies in the movie were just going to be some of the people there. But the Reaper seems to be more a representation of the evil that the town of Silent Hill and that will never die. That's what I've always gotten from the games at least.
Pyramid Head looked amazing! I was totally not expecting for them to be able to bring him into a movie. Very impressed with that. I hope they make some figures for this movie. A Pyramid Head figure would own.
I don't think I have anything to add to the speculation/ breakdown of what happened in the movie. Everyone here has explained it pretty well.
I do believe that The Reaper is now in Sharron. Possibly having Alissa, Sharron and the Reaper now all joined inside what we knew as Sharron. And now the Reaper is out of Silent Hill.
Good show.
BlackTyrano
Member
The movie was just fantastic. I have no complaints.
Man, despite all it's flaws this movie is still stuck in my mind two days after seeing it.
Okay, considering we don't know anything about Chris's past that doesn't really make sense, but I just have a feeling that his character has an important role to play for a possible sequel.
Something that's bugging me is
I don't know. Perhaps I missed something or that's just a plot hole.
Anyway I hope Gans goes in depth on the dvd commentary.
I think that Rose and Cybil died in the crash and "the reaper" made sure their bodies were not found in order to lead Chris to believe that they're still alive. I believe "the reaper" also allowed Rose to get through to Chris via the phone messages for the same purpose. Why "the reaper" wants Chris to think Rose is still alive is so that it can draw him to otherworld Silent Hill at a later time. For what reason is unknown.
Okay, considering we don't know anything about Chris's past that doesn't really make sense, but I just have a feeling that his character has an important role to play for a possible sequel.
Something that's bugging me is
that Gucci character. If he was the one who rescued Alessa back in 1974 then why hasn't he aged since then? Is it possible he's hiding something and perhaps he had some contact with "the reaper" who is now using him?
Anyway I hope Gans goes in depth on the dvd commentary.
brandonh83
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My overly long, fanboy review is up on my 1up page if you guys would like to have a gander. I also have a lot of Silent Hill game writings and reviews on the page as well.
http://www.1up.com/do/my1Up?publicUserId=5744321
http://www.1up.com/do/my1Up?publicUserId=5744321
Ninja Scooter
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the only problem withi the theory that Cybill and Rose both died is then how did Cybill die again when they burned her? Can dead people re-kill other dead people in Silent Hill?
brandonh83
Banned
Ninja Scooter said:
Exactly.
I think it's pretty obvious that they're just still trapped in limbo, so to speak
weekend estimates are in:
1 N Silent Hill Sony $20,200,000 - 2,926 - $6,903 $20,200,000 $50 1
2 1 Scary Movie 4 Dim. $17,034,000 -57.7% 3,674 +72 $4,636 $67,697,000 $45 2
3 N The Sentinel Fox $14,650,000 - 2,819 - $5,196 $14,650,000 - 1
4 2 Ice Age: The Meltdown Fox $12,800,000 -36.1% 3,540 -333 $3,615 $167,863,000 $80 4
5 4 The Wild BV $8,050,000 -16.9% 2,854 - $2,820 $21,958,000 $80 2
6 3 The Benchwarmers SonR $7,300,000 -26.4% 3,094 -188 $2,359 $47,145,000 $33 3
7 5 Take the Lead NL $4,250,000 -37.3% 2,413 -596 $1,761 $29,556,000 - 3
8 N American Dreamz Uni. $3,690,000 - 1,500 - $2,460 $3,690,000 $17 1
9 6 Inside Man Uni. $3,668,000 -42.9% 2,021 -456 $1,814 $81,233,000 $45 5
10 15 Friends with Money SPC $3,551,000 +380.1% 991 +949 $3,583 $5,333,000 - 3
1 N Silent Hill Sony $20,200,000 - 2,926 - $6,903 $20,200,000 $50 1
2 1 Scary Movie 4 Dim. $17,034,000 -57.7% 3,674 +72 $4,636 $67,697,000 $45 2
3 N The Sentinel Fox $14,650,000 - 2,819 - $5,196 $14,650,000 - 1
4 2 Ice Age: The Meltdown Fox $12,800,000 -36.1% 3,540 -333 $3,615 $167,863,000 $80 4
5 4 The Wild BV $8,050,000 -16.9% 2,854 - $2,820 $21,958,000 $80 2
6 3 The Benchwarmers SonR $7,300,000 -26.4% 3,094 -188 $2,359 $47,145,000 $33 3
7 5 Take the Lead NL $4,250,000 -37.3% 2,413 -596 $1,761 $29,556,000 - 3
8 N American Dreamz Uni. $3,690,000 - 1,500 - $2,460 $3,690,000 $17 1
9 6 Inside Man Uni. $3,668,000 -42.9% 2,021 -456 $1,814 $81,233,000 $45 5
10 15 Friends with Money SPC $3,551,000 +380.1% 991 +949 $3,583 $5,333,000 - 3
brandonh83
Banned
It's doing good enough as far as I'm concerned. It's not doing well critically, but hopefully some good word of mouth will gain it some more box office, like Batman Begins.
I didn't literally mean
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Master Z said:
I didn't literally mean
limbo, I was just using that as a word to describe the lighter plane of Silent Hill
brandonh83
Banned
Sorry, 2x post.
Ninja Scooter said:
I believe Cybil's physical body died in the 1st Dimension (The Physical Being Realm), but her soul lived on in the 2nd Dimension (The Lost Soul Realm). I think the souls killed (like poor Cybil's) enter the 3rd Dimension (The Hell Realm), where they give birth to the monsters we fear. Whats odd though, is why did we see one of these Dead-Soul-Creatures in the 2nd Dimension (ya know.. the vomiting, spandex wearing, bo-legged, zombie thingy).
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Here's the 30th time I will say this, ignore me if you've heard it before
RT.com rating is garbage. They didn't screen it for critics. It's a gong show.
So don't go to rottentomatoes and conclude that it "really" sucks, whatever your opinion is. The critics were given a red flag to rip into it.... if they even saw it at all.
I think many would have enjoyed it... if it had been given a chance, and the studio didn't inform the critics that it was "crap" by not screening it for them.
RT.com rating is garbage. They didn't screen it for critics. It's a gong show.
So don't go to rottentomatoes and conclude that it "really" sucks, whatever your opinion is. The critics were given a red flag to rip into it.... if they even saw it at all.
I think many would have enjoyed it... if it had been given a chance, and the studio didn't inform the critics that it was "crap" by not screening it for them.
Killuminati510
Member
It's chances at getting BB wom is non existent.brandonh83 said:
brandonh83
Banned
Killuminati510 said:
I know. I wasn't saying word of mouth on the same LEVEL as Batman, but some word of mouth could help it along some.
Killuminati510
Member
It's doing surprisingly well on imdb.com, which would usually pan a videogame movie. The problem with SH is that it's still a horror movie + it has the fanboy factor, it's hard for a movie like that to have staying power.
The Take Out Bandit
Member
Silent Hill's got legs. . . . . . . on twitchy armless half rotten children pursuing you through a rusted dark alley and you've got no Tetanus Shot.
Full steam ahead and ignore that emo kid favorite turd of a sequel!
Full steam ahead and ignore that emo kid favorite turd of a sequel!
The Take Out Bandit
Member
Yes, because there's no emotion involved in a father trying to save his child. Before you knew about the cult, etc. The intent of the game was to save your daughter from a bad place, yeah nothing emotional there.
Like I've always said - your average tweenage video game nerd can better relate to the "GUR HUR I'VE HAD A GURRULFRND AND WE BOTH LIKE DEATHCAB FOR CUTIE
" aspect of SH2, as opposed to the love / obligation a parent feels for their child required for SH1.Synbios459
Banned
Since we're talking about Silent Hill I guess this is the best place to ask some questions about Silent Hill for the PSX:
1. If I were to buy SH now would it still be scary by todays standards?
2. Having already seen the movie (and not understanding it), would playing the game help me make more sense out of the story?
Thanks!
1. If I were to buy SH now would it still be scary by todays standards?
2. Having already seen the movie (and not understanding it), would playing the game help me make more sense out of the story?
Thanks!
Outdoor Miner
Member
OK, chill out with the fucking spoiler tags.
We're 20+ pages into this thread. Anyone who wants protection from spoilers should have probably seen the movie already.
We're 20+ pages into this thread. Anyone who wants protection from spoilers should have probably seen the movie already.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Synbios459 said:
Scary by today's standards? ABSOLUTELY. Good graphics by today's standards? Enh.
It may help you understand the story.... but really, SH1 would be best to see an alternate version of the tale in the movie. It plays out differently, and there are completely different details in the story.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
Like I keep saying.
Christopher can be the exact replica of James. Someone already mentioned why. We don't know much about Chris other than the fact that he was dropping hints throughout the film that something was wrong with the marriage. He could have cheated on her, or done whatever else. This wasn't exactly his story, so we don't have enough details on him. If they keep him, it can be an exact replica of SH2, given the chance