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SingStar PS3 - Official Thread: Share your drunken vorspiel videos!
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Okay so as I mentioned a whole bunch of my songs were deleted. Here are the songs that remained...
Every song I ever purchased with ID codes up to 100FM4 (Nirvana - "Come As You Are") was not affected. The next song in sequence, 100FNT (Men At Work - "Down Under") was deleted, as was every other song with ID codes greater than 100FNT. The deletion of songs in my case had nothing to do with purchase date/order, only ID code.
I can only speculate since I don't know the internal workings of the SingStar save file, but I suspect that the save file stores or loads songs in alphanumeric order by ID code, and for some reason or another it came across an error and all songs with ID codes greater than that error were lost.
Code:
10000J: A-Ha - Take On Me
10021C: The Angels - No Secrets
100073: Aqua - Barbie Girl
10001M: Atomic Kitten - Eternal Flame
100012: Avril Lavigne - Complicated
10001A: The Bangles - Walk Like An Egyptian
1000GJ: Belinda Carlisle - Heaven Is A Place On Earth
1007RB: Bic Runga - Sway
10000S: Big Brovaz - Nu Flow
10006H: Black Eyed Peas - Shut Up
1000GL: Blondie - Atomic
10000O: Blondie - Heart of Glass
1001HP: Bonnie Tyler - Total Eclipse Of The Heart
10002T: Buggles - Video Killed The Radio Star
10000K: Carl Douglas - Kung Fu Fighting
1001H8: Cher- If I Could Turn Back Time
1000GG: Culture Club - Karma Chameleon
10000L: Daniel Bedingfield - If You're Not the one
1007QH: Delta Goodrem - Born to Try
1001SG: Elton John - Rocket Man
1000GT: Europe - Final Countdown
1007RA: Evewrmore - It's Too Late
100016: Five - Keep On Movin
10007M: Fountains of Wayne - Stacey's Mom
10003Y: Franz Ferdinand - Do You Want To
100FK0: GANGgajang - Sounds Of Then (This Is Australia)
1001HR: Gloria Gaynor - I Will Survive
10001I: Good Charlotte - Girls & Boys
10027O: Hinder - Lips Of An Angel
100077: Hoobastank - The Reason
10006I: Jamelia - Superstar
100068: Jet - Are You Gonna Be My Girl
10021D: Jimmy Barnes - No Second Prize
10021E: Jimmy Barnes - Working Class Man
10023J: John Farnham - You're The Voice
1000H1: Katrina And The Waves - Walking On Sunshine
10006O: Keane - Somewhere Only We Know
1000VT: The Killers - Somebody Told Me
10002P: Kylie Minogue - I Should Be So Lucky
10000F: Liberty X - Just A Little
10007H: Marilyn Manson - Personal Jesus
100FJW: Maximo Park - Apply Some Pressure
100FM4: Nirvana - Come As You Are
10007W: OutKast - Roses
100005: P!nk - Get The Party Started
10003P: P!nk - Just Like A Pill
1000H6: Pretenders - Brass In Pocket
1001HT: The Pussycat Dolls - Don't Cha
10025C: The Rasmus - In The Shadows
10000C: Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up
100070: Ronan Keating feat Yusuf - Father And Son
1007R7: Savage Garden - To The Moon And Back
1001HZ: Scissor Sisters - Laura
100030: Scissor Sisters - Take Your Mama
1007R6: Shannon Noll - What About Me
1000HI: Starship - We Built This City
1001HA: Steps - Deeper Shade Of Blue
100FIY: Stereophonic - Dakota
10015G: The Swingers - Counting The Beat
1000GH: Tears For Fears - Everybody Wants To Rule The World
10006G: Tom Jones - It's Not Unusual
10000W: Village People - Y.M.C.A.Every song I ever purchased with ID codes up to 100FM4 (Nirvana - "Come As You Are") was not affected. The next song in sequence, 100FNT (Men At Work - "Down Under") was deleted, as was every other song with ID codes greater than 100FNT. The deletion of songs in my case had nothing to do with purchase date/order, only ID code.
I can only speculate since I don't know the internal workings of the SingStar save file, but I suspect that the save file stores or loads songs in alphanumeric order by ID code, and for some reason or another it came across an error and all songs with ID codes greater than that error were lost.
Katy at totalmusicgaming.com has done a bunch of research on the Usage Error issue which is preventing many people from playing songs they have purchased. Note that this is different to the deletion issue which I described above (and so far has only happened to me upon patching to 4.30, although has happened to other people randomly during patch 4.21).
Basically any songs which Katy purchased between 6th September 2008 and 14th April 2009 inclusive do not work under the new patch. They are present but bring up the following error when you try to play them...
Even though most of my songs were deleted, I still had a number of songs remaining on my HDD which were purchased during the same period. Unlike Katy, none of my songs were affected by this issue. I believe this is because my console died earlier this year and had to be replaced. I got the replacement in May 2009, and hence all of the songs on my hard drive had been downloaded outside of the September 2009-April 2009 range. The issue might only affect songs which have been downloaded in that range as opposed to purchased.
Basically any songs which Katy purchased between 6th September 2008 and 14th April 2009 inclusive do not work under the new patch. They are present but bring up the following error when you try to play them...
Even though most of my songs were deleted, I still had a number of songs remaining on my HDD which were purchased during the same period. Unlike Katy, none of my songs were affected by this issue. I believe this is because my console died earlier this year and had to be replaced. I got the replacement in May 2009, and hence all of the songs on my hard drive had been downloaded outside of the September 2009-April 2009 range. The issue might only affect songs which have been downloaded in that range as opposed to purchased.
darkjedi187
Member
so is it not safe to do the update? I'm a bit confused at to the problem it causes.
The main problem is songs downloaded between September 2008 and April 2009 don't work under the new patch. Deleting and redownloading those songs solves the issue. Alternatively, if you don't want to redownload songs and you have multiple discs, you can upgrade one disc to 4.30 (so you can shop online) and keep the other at 4.21 (for playing all the songs). Whichever option you choose will depend on how many songs you potentially have to redownload and if you have internet download limits.darkjedi187 said:
I experienced a rare bug which resulted in most of my songs being deleted (everyone else's songs were still present, just some of those were unplayable when using discs with v4.30). So yeah, I have to redownload all of mine regardless. I'll probably keep my second disc as v4.21 though just in case there's issues people will come across later.
darkjedi187
Member
Wow that seems like a huge problem. how could a patch go out that causes that kind of issue?
They would have done extensive QA testing with a whole range of DLC conditions...... but if all of that DLC was downloaded to debug consoles for the strict intention of QA testing, then they would have had no DLC downloaded from September 2008-April 2009, so never would have come across the issue whatsoever.darkjedi187 said:
That SingStore On Demand this is dangerous as fuck (for one's wallet). All the songs just appear in the song selection carousel, and launch automatic previews when you hover on them. You can have the entire catalogue on display at a party so if someone comes across a song they want when flicking between songs BAM you buy it.Toki767 said:
Probably a bit larger than usual. I think for the mostpart they just wanted an extra week because they wanted to focus on this patch. On the upside though, I put the chance of getting Jackson 5 - "ABC" at 'very high'.
TotalMusicGaming.com has sent out an email to all members encouraging them not to update.
I don't know if you have multiple discs, but if you do then don't update any others. If you decline the patch notice and access the game with 4.21 then all of those songs will be available again.
Updated my Vol. 2 (56mb patch) and about 10-15 songs are broken (largely song packs).
Isn't this patch meant to coincide with another server move to solve the capacity problems at peak times?
Perhaps not all the "rights" data for the affected downloads has been migrated across to the new store server (maybe the game is authenticating downloads against the server when the game starts up?)
Isn't this patch meant to coincide with another server move to solve the capacity problems at peak times?
Perhaps not all the "rights" data for the affected downloads has been migrated across to the new store server (maybe the game is authenticating downloads against the server when the game starts up?)
Tntnnbltn said:
Still broken.
Interestingly I tried Vol. 1 (with patch 2.10) and Motown (unpatched) and the broken songs don't appear at all, they only appear (with the rights warning) under 4.30 now.
Will be interesting to see their response to this, especially if it's anything other than "sorry, we actually broke some of your old downloaded songs under a previous patch, didn't realise it at the time and so you now have to download them again".
Dedication Through Light
Member
Tntnnbltn said:
Whoa Universal Songs are coming? They should get Fireflies by Owl City...
Wow just read the Erin English replies on the blog. I guess the US Store either has the most criticism, and B, has the longest time in getting artist and labels to lend their songs and videos?
I strongly recommend everyone with kids check out the new cartoon interface (accesed through Options -> Game Interface -> Cartoon).
Major changes:
So yeah. I definitely recommend this for anyone who has young children. The current scoring system, which is fine for adults, can be overly harsh to young children when it says "Awful" or "Tone deaf". The new system is a great improvement. It's something which I'd never even considered previously (I have young nephews and nieces), but now it kind of seems like something obvious that should have been added a long time ago. Definite thumbs up.
Major changes:
- When singing, the "Awful"/"Poor"/"Okay"/"Great"/"Cool" messages at the end of lines are replaced with dancing starfish with different colours/smiley faces according to how well you went.
- End music is replaced so it doesn't sound like a failure if you fail. Bubble noises for the score bars filling up, background applause/clapping/cheering (sounds like children).
- End rankings have been changed.
0-500: Baby Star (picture of dummy)
500-1000: Sing Starter (picture of teddy bear)
1000-1500: Wannabe (picture of rubber duck)
1500-2500: Hopeful (picture of butterfly)
2500-3500: Rising Star (picture of shooting star)
3500-5000: Lead Singer (picture of microphone)
5000-6500: Hit Artist (picture of record + needle)
6500-8500: SuperStar (picture of star)
8500-10000: SingStar (picture of double S with glitter)
All ranking pictures of animated and cartoonish.
So yeah. I definitely recommend this for anyone who has young children. The current scoring system, which is fine for adults, can be overly harsh to young children when it says "Awful" or "Tone deaf". The new system is a great improvement. It's something which I'd never even considered previously (I have young nephews and nieces), but now it kind of seems like something obvious that should have been added a long time ago. Definite thumbs up.
More from the US Blog...
I think in part some of the complaints are because many people in the US aren't used to being treated as second best. I mean, I know a lot of the song updates do suck for a US audience, but I think people are more willing to complain when they see a whole bunch of good songs made available to people in other regions. Usually things happen the other way around, with the US getting preferential treatment and PAL regions getting the shaft.
It's starting to sound more and more like a UMG deal is actually possible as opposed to the standard PR of 'we are always working with labels blah blah blah'.
The US/CA stores are easily the worst off of all the regions. In addition to the SingStore's general lack of major artists (eg, Michael Jackson), the US store has frequently missed out on a number of songs/artists that other stores have received. That list I posted for you a while back showed the difference between the UK/AUS stores and the US store, particularly evident with Universal Music Group artists. In addition to this, there was a period in 2008 when certain songs weren't released in the US, only to appear in a later update months down the line (eg. some Coldplay songs, Sara Bareilles, Gorillaz...).Dedication Through Light said:
I think in part some of the complaints are because many people in the US aren't used to being treated as second best. I mean, I know a lot of the song updates do suck for a US audience, but I think people are more willing to complain when they see a whole bunch of good songs made available to people in other regions. Usually things happen the other way around, with the US getting preferential treatment and PAL regions getting the shaft.
p_xavier
Authorized Fister
Any official comments from the SingStar folks? I mean it's the busiest time of the year for parties! At least if they could provide an option for automatic deletion of locked songs, to save bandwith. If not, I'll have to redownload 516 songs, I don't have time to check every one individually.
Update went live not long before office closing time in the UK.JeFfRey said:
It was always L2. Square used to be charts and triangle shuffle, till they changed triangle to context menu and square to shuffle. And now shuffle is on R3 and square is SingStore On Demand.Toki767 said:
At this point the game just needs to have customisable controls.
Dedication Through Light
Member
Wow Im so excited, USPS has my Singstar Vol 2 at the post office. Looks like tomorrow Ill finally get to experience the game. First song to get from the store will have to be Ryan Cabrera - "On the Way Down". I love that song to death.
micromagic
Member
I wonder if this means you can now exceed the 20 friends limit by using login profiles as additional friends or whether it's still capped. Find it really annoying deleting people all the time.
My impressions about this update:
- The initial loading is even worst than the last patch. Usually takes 50 seconds to boot until the Intro movie. Now is taking more than a minute. Incredibly annoying.
- The stuttering and 30fps menus are mostly gone.
- The XMB User players profiles is mostly useless for me. I will still be using my singstar name (that is different from my PSN name), and the friend cap is still too low (as micromagic, I am deleting and adding friends all the time).
- If you're browsing the song selection screen, when a song is downloaded is automatically added to your list.
- In "My singstar online" they added a quick link to your club (nice).
- But they restricted the club's media if the song isn't avaliable to buy (A warning says that you can't see this media because the song isn't avaliable in your area). That's pretty retarded, because the community videos still works normally.
- The Singstore on demand is the best addition ever and worth the trouble to redonwload all the songs (I lost 18 but downloaded again without much problems).
- The initial loading is even worst than the last patch. Usually takes 50 seconds to boot until the Intro movie. Now is taking more than a minute. Incredibly annoying.
- The stuttering and 30fps menus are mostly gone.
- The XMB User players profiles is mostly useless for me. I will still be using my singstar name (that is different from my PSN name), and the friend cap is still too low (as micromagic, I am deleting and adding friends all the time).
- If you're browsing the song selection screen, when a song is downloaded is automatically added to your list.
- In "My singstar online" they added a quick link to your club (nice).
- But they restricted the club's media if the song isn't avaliable to buy (A warning says that you can't see this media because the song isn't avaliable in your area). That's pretty retarded, because the community videos still works normally.
- The Singstore on demand is the best addition ever and worth the trouble to redonwload all the songs (I lost 18 but downloaded again without much problems).
My disgruntled-ness has probably decreased over the last 24 hours. I have to redownload a shit load of songs (50/196 currently complete), but from what I can tell the software is perfectly stable so it's a once-off inconvenience.polg said:
As for your party, like I said if you have two discs then update only one and use that to browse the store. Then stick in the other disc and play the game using 4.21. It's inconvenient, and in the long run I just recommend redownloading songs that don't work with 4.30, but (depending on the size of your catalogue) you mightn't be able to redownload all your songs in time for your party.
Facebook / PS Blog / et al:
Also note there are new restrictions to what media you can view. You can no longer view media from other users that is not available on your store. To be honest, this makes a lot of sense (from a licensing POV) and should have been done day one. If I licensed rights to Michael Jackson songs for Australia only then I wouldn't have the rights to broadcast 30 second segments of those songs to people in the UK, US, etc.
Also note there are new restrictions to what media you can view. You can no longer view media from other users that is not available on your store. To be honest, this makes a lot of sense (from a licensing POV) and should have been done day one. If I licensed rights to Michael Jackson songs for Australia only then I wouldn't have the rights to broadcast 30 second segments of those songs to people in the UK, US, etc.
p_xavier
Authorized Fister
I read the blog, good thing they are coming up with a fix. I'm still not a happy camper.
Regarding song licensing, it really shows how outdated music compagnies are. You can see a post by someone who just want to see their frends perfomance. Well guess what, we have friends all across the world now! Their answer: no you can't see them because of licensing issues.
Regarding song licensing, it really shows how outdated music compagnies are. You can see a post by someone who just want to see their frends perfomance. Well guess what, we have friends all across the world now! Their answer: no you can't see them because of licensing issues.
Dedication Through Light
Member
Returners said:
Of all days to use Tiger Woods gif...
Anyway got my volume 2 today, the mics are heavier than the Guitar Hero, Rock Band, and High School Musical 3 ones that I have, lol.