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Skyrim is PC Gamer's #1 Game of All Time
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NullPointer
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Hah, shit, well now I don't even want to watch it. I doubt I'd get through it either.
One of the first mods I got was for extended controller support with a ton of extra mappable buttons.
AnathemicOne
Banned
I'd love to see the clusterfuck of playing Dota 2, LoL, or any other game of the same genre on a gamepad.
chickdigger802
Banned
well ME2 is 2nd and that doesn't even support controllers, even though the ui is pure console stuff where you can't even use scroll wheel to scroll text boxes.
Combat in Skyrim is fun! Mages are fun, special attacks with melee weapons are fun, bow shots are fun, death animations are fun. It's fun!
I think they picked it because there are so many mods and lot of PC people with beastly systems are playing a game that is a million miles away from what you get out of the box. My friend is one of those hard-core PC pro dudes and he got back into Skyrim a few months ago. He's still at it, running around a hundred mods, using different characters and the game looks unbelievable.
I think it's a game with a lot of legs and that is what this vote represents. Most of these PC people bought the game nearly a year ago and are still getting a lot of use out of it. It's a value thing.
I think they picked it because there are so many mods and lot of PC people with beastly systems are playing a game that is a million miles away from what you get out of the box. My friend is one of those hard-core PC pro dudes and he got back into Skyrim a few months ago. He's still at it, running around a hundred mods, using different characters and the game looks unbelievable.
I think it's a game with a lot of legs and that is what this vote represents. Most of these PC people bought the game nearly a year ago and are still getting a lot of use out of it. It's a value thing.
Why is this than not an issue? I want to see meaningful criticism of Skyrim, which there has been in this thread, not just "lol Skyrim is da worst game evar, and anyone who picks it is a teenager who obviously hasn't played deus ex or some crpg." People's opinion on something shouldn't be factored by anything other than the game in question. If someone moderately dislikes Skyrim or feels it's just an average game, but than feels compelled to point to people how awful and dreadful it is to over shadow its critical praise and commercial success than that's an issue. I can never get a sense of how anyone truthfully feels about anything anymore because everyone has the need to be more loud and cynical than the last person.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
It's a shame, because PCG used to be a top quality magazine, with some fantastic talent writing for it.
freenudemacusers
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Axispowers
Member
Well I never got to play it so I can't say anything.
I don't see how you can just brush aside better mechanics and controls. If the act of playing the game is more enjoyable, than that goes a long way in making a better game. Even people who enjoyed Deus Ex recently, do so with the expectations that it's a 10+ year old game. If Deus Ex was released today with those graphics, mechanics, controls, etc. I couldn't see it getting anything more than a cult following on the likes of something like Deadly Premonition or Alpha Protocol. And if were making an objective list today in 2013 you have to take that into account.
Why would anyone expect anything more from fluffy video game lists/rankings? They're usually bad across the board.
bengraven
Member
As bad as people rag on Skyrim by comparing it to Dark Souls, now people comparing it to EVERY game EVER is going to make it slagged even more.
Fucking great game and a huge improvement over Oblivion (except for the quests, which again, were much better in Oblivion), but not the greatest GAME of all time. That won't matter though, because people will be at Bethesda's throat over PC Gamer's declaration.
Fucking great game and a huge improvement over Oblivion (except for the quests, which again, were much better in Oblivion), but not the greatest GAME of all time. That won't matter though, because people will be at Bethesda's throat over PC Gamer's declaration.
rosaceadude2112
Member
bioshock infinite being one spot above hitman blood money is the most heinous insult that's ever been directed at me.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Moving past the combat and the scaling, Skyrim's writing and presentation is pretty spectacularly dull. Kind of surprised that a game with such bad presentation got so praised by critics who usually care about that stuff a lot. I got 15 hours in and it was fun for a bit, but it became pretty uninteresting after 12 or so hours of doing the same stuff and listening to humorless, overly serious characters talk about really generic fantasy stuff.
This list must be a delayed april fool's joke.
decoyplatypus
Member
That's a pretty embarrassing pick. Oh well.
After two or three minutes I skipped to "the main argument," so forgive me for asking, but how exactly does he connect the dumbing down to the move to consoles? He says a lot about input mechanisms and horsepower, but the main objections he raises* are not directly traceable to either issue. The inability to fail and at-all costs preservation of the player's ability to see and do everything seems to be more a product of seeking an expanded audience (which indirectly implicates consoles) than working with weaker hardware and more limited input mechanisms. And the reduced conversations might actually be a result of Bethesda spending relatively more on art and graphics than on writers. I can how the UI could be pinned on the prioritization of consoles, but is there some point in the video where he connects the dots for his own arguments?
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After two or three minutes I skipped to "the main argument," so forgive me for asking, but how exactly does he connect the dumbing down to the move to consoles? He says a lot about input mechanisms and horsepower, but the main objections he raises* are not directly traceable to either issue. The inability to fail and at-all costs preservation of the player's ability to see and do everything seems to be more a product of seeking an expanded audience (which indirectly implicates consoles) than working with weaker hardware and more limited input mechanisms. And the reduced conversations might actually be a result of Bethesda spending relatively more on art and graphics than on writers. I can how the UI could be pinned on the prioritization of consoles, but is there some point in the video where he connects the dots for his own arguments?
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Blood Money should be in the top 10.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Skyrim is a sandbox with a checklist that pretends it is an open world RPG. It's the epitome of thousands of hours of effort going into making bits and pieces but not seemingly spending any time at all being concerned with whether they all work together or not.
It's a game that can say it's a huge world filled with choices and consequences and hundreds of hours of content, because technically it is. In reality, it's like me selling you a 30,000 square foot building that includes a Ferrari in storage, and when I show up I find an empty warehouse with no power and one Ferrari in it, disassembled, its pieces spread out across the entire building, with a wrench set and a flashlight sitting on the only piece of furniture, and an empty gas can in a corner with a Post-It that says "Enjoy!"
Oh but hey, at least I can marry a crowbar in it.
It's a game that can say it's a huge world filled with choices and consequences and hundreds of hours of content, because technically it is. In reality, it's like me selling you a 30,000 square foot building that includes a Ferrari in storage, and when I show up I find an empty warehouse with no power and one Ferrari in it, disassembled, its pieces spread out across the entire building, with a wrench set and a flashlight sitting on the only piece of furniture, and an empty gas can in a corner with a Post-It that says "Enjoy!"
Oh but hey, at least I can marry a crowbar in it.
At first I thought he was playing a character. I don't know anyone in real life who talks or sounds like that.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Pfft. We all know Interstate '82 is the best ever PC game.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
...did you just filter out every criticism on the game? I'm pretty sure "buggy, messy, lacks depth, etc." aren't subjective at all.
I'm pretty sure it is. Only thing Skyrim has is FUS ROH DAH and terrible knee meme.
Yikes.
I disagree. I'd take Oblivion's artificial scripting over Skyrim's nonexistent scripting.
What? No. Just no. I'm sure Skyrim's cool and all but there are far more deserving games.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
I guess it is just a matter of personal taste. But I agree with you that mechanics make the game in almost all genres (Mario Galaxy 2 is the best Mario game imo), but a handful of rpgs . Planescape is my all time favorite game for a reason, and it doesn't play too well.
funkystudent
Member
Well I am not saying a controller is a perfect substitute for every single game designed around KB+M but the exact same thing is true of other games designed around a controller like racing games, platformers, fighting games, etc that just suck on keyboard and mouse. It goes both ways. There is no one true perfect control method.
And saying "But I have a Wii" didnt make his position any better.
Its been a few years since I heard the old "consoles = where all the dumb games are" argument.
I like PC gaming. I play a bunch of PC games. I am playing the Witcher 1 right now but come on. The guy in that video are just embarrassing himself.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I think the KBM thing was more on a hit on Skyrim's terrible UI than anything else really.
Dude, exactly what the fuck are you talking about? You are continually missing the point I'm making and fixating on something that has no baring on at all on what my argument was about. I'm not disagreeing with the criticism towards Skyrim or just brushing it aside, in fact I agree with most of it.
petran79
Banned
I remember Skyrim's debut and bugs.
No Skyrim shouldnt be the #1 game of all time.
but the community and their mods should be #1.
But Bethesda take the credits.....
It doesnt have much to do with hardware but to what kind of users they target.
Eg if you compare Daggerfall in the mid-90s, such a game would be impossible to appear in any console. Not because of hardware but because the approach differed like night and day from console games. Computer games were always more ruthless and dependant in constant saving and trial and error.
Same with other games, eg Ultima (Ultima VIII is another matter). While JRPGs for consoles at that time were more lenient and user friendly. I dont mean difficulty like in Dark Souls. I mean the tougher type of difficulty where there are mazes, you need to mix or summon spells, death can come out of nowhere, you dont know what to do or you need to save or else the game will end for good.
So when the Elder Scrolls moved to Xbox, some modifications needed to be made to make the game more accessible. Even if it meant breaking with the roots.
No Skyrim shouldnt be the #1 game of all time.
but the community and their mods should be #1.
But Bethesda take the credits.....
It doesnt have much to do with hardware but to what kind of users they target.
Eg if you compare Daggerfall in the mid-90s, such a game would be impossible to appear in any console. Not because of hardware but because the approach differed like night and day from console games. Computer games were always more ruthless and dependant in constant saving and trial and error.
Same with other games, eg Ultima (Ultima VIII is another matter). While JRPGs for consoles at that time were more lenient and user friendly. I dont mean difficulty like in Dark Souls. I mean the tougher type of difficulty where there are mazes, you need to mix or summon spells, death can come out of nowhere, you dont know what to do or you need to save or else the game will end for good.
So when the Elder Scrolls moved to Xbox, some modifications needed to be made to make the game more accessible. Even if it meant breaking with the roots.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Then why can't you see how people disagree with it being the top then? Yes there are people who "hate it because it's popular", but that doesn't mean everything that goes against it has that mindset. Just because it is presented in a sarcastic/cynical tone doesn't mean it lacks substance.
Yeah, if you said they picked a Bethesda game, I wouldn't be too surprised. Morrowind, Fallout 3, and even Oblivion I can see someone arguing for.
But Skyrim? C'mon.
Ben Pierce
Member
I treat skyrim like a call girl: I want it when i want it, and leave me the fuck alone otherwise.
Sportbilly
Member
I think it's in the print magazine only. I can post the top 20 if it's allowed?
walking fiend
Member
I don't, in fact I said quite the opposite.
I have no issue with people not liking Skyrim or thinking it doesn't belong to be #1, hell I'm one of those people.
I never claimed everyone who dislikes Skyrim dislikes it solely on it's popularity, that would be incredibly silly. I even applauded some of the more thought out criticism towards Skyrim so I I'm not quite sure where your coming from.
and the combat is still utter shit.