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Smash Bros Brawl Dojo Official Update Thread: Goodbye, Cherry-don
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The outsourcing itself wasn't the problem. It's that they kept trying to take Star Fox in the direction of ground missions, when in reality people just want to shoot stuff down from the air. :|watkinzez said:
And even when Command returned the focus to aerial combat, it still had that bizarre turn-based strategy kind of thing going on, in addition to the missions all being in all-range mode.
It's just one misstep after another.
Sp0rsk can we get a final answer on this: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8369839&postcount=34782sp0rsk said:
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At this point, the mods should just ban the word "Krystal". It might be the only way to stop these damned arguments about her.
Look, people don't exactly hate Krystal because she's a furry. People hate bad characters. Fox and Falco are furries, and they're generally liked because they're likable characters. They have individual and differentiated personalities that fit their world and their role in it.
Krystal, on the other hand, is an anachronism in the Star Fox universe. In a technologically advanced, science fictional society, Krystal, as a tribal, primitive, semi-telepathic character, simply doesn't fit the established rules of the Lylat system. What's worse is how Nintendo shoehorned her into the main cast following Star Fox Adventures, even marginalizing one of the cornerstone characters of the series, Peppy. This is a character, by her very design, that has no business flying around in an Arwing and blowing things up in the name of justice. But that's exactly what Nintendo has her doing.
Krystal's personality is also very bland. Throughout her debut game, she was given the role of basically a glorified damsel in distress. When the time came to put her into Assault, Namco failed to develop her beyond what she was. The result was a lifeless shell of a wingman who had little role other than to occasionally point out a boss's weak point. The result was that when Command was made, a game with a heavily character and choice driven story, Krystal's actions became more bizarre and inexplicable than the rest of the game, because she had no personality to make sense of her actions.
The sexualized portrayal of Krystal is also rather disturbing. Having her clad in nothing but a glorified bikini top and a loincloth in Adventures was bad enough. But when all her art depicts her in suggestive poses clad in a skintight bodysuit...well, on an anthropomorphic fox, that's just disgusting. Good Lord, not even Rouge the Bat was given that kind of portrayal.
And those are my thoughts on Krystal. Let's hope I never need to discuss her again.
At this point, the mods should just ban the word "Krystal". It might be the only way to stop these damned arguments about her.
Look, people don't exactly hate Krystal because she's a furry. People hate bad characters. Fox and Falco are furries, and they're generally liked because they're likable characters. They have individual and differentiated personalities that fit their world and their role in it.
Krystal, on the other hand, is an anachronism in the Star Fox universe. In a technologically advanced, science fictional society, Krystal, as a tribal, primitive, semi-telepathic character, simply doesn't fit the established rules of the Lylat system. What's worse is how Nintendo shoehorned her into the main cast following Star Fox Adventures, even marginalizing one of the cornerstone characters of the series, Peppy. This is a character, by her very design, that has no business flying around in an Arwing and blowing things up in the name of justice. But that's exactly what Nintendo has her doing.
Krystal's personality is also very bland. Throughout her debut game, she was given the role of basically a glorified damsel in distress. When the time came to put her into Assault, Namco failed to develop her beyond what she was. The result was a lifeless shell of a wingman who had little role other than to occasionally point out a boss's weak point. The result was that when Command was made, a game with a heavily character and choice driven story, Krystal's actions became more bizarre and inexplicable than the rest of the game, because she had no personality to make sense of her actions.
The sexualized portrayal of Krystal is also rather disturbing. Having her clad in nothing but a glorified bikini top and a loincloth in Adventures was bad enough. But when all her art depicts her in suggestive poses clad in a skintight bodysuit...well, on an anthropomorphic fox, that's just disgusting. Good Lord, not even Rouge the Bat was given that kind of portrayal.
And those are my thoughts on Krystal. Let's hope I never need to discuss her again.
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sp0rsk said:
I think Krystal was still in Assault instead of Peppy.
Peppy is NOT too old for this shit, Peppy is awesome, he is always damaged in Starfox 64.
Jiggy37 said:
Of course, if they made another game that was all on-rails shooting, like Starfox and Starfox 64, people would bash it for being too short or for being on-rails. Starfox's old style of game just doesn't translate well these days (another similarity with Sonic).
It needs to be re-invented, they've just made three crappy attempts at it so far.
I may have a misunderstanding of the development of this travesty, but the way I heard it was that the blue fox right there was to be the main character.
Thank you very much, people were actually defending that.sp0rsk said:
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Incidentally, the day Krystal is made a playable character is the day my avatar gets locked down to this:
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Ezduo said:
That's what we're all hoping for.
Wow at the title change. Did Bubaf actually get...
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...oh dear, he did.
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...oh dear, he did.
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I'm predicting Lip and Starfi playable!
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Rindain said:
Because that inevitably turns to debates about Tingle, which are only slightly less annoying than Krystal debates.
I'm predicting an item tonight.
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ezekial45 said:
No, you don't.
Naked Krystal hugging a jack-o-lantern.
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I dont hate Krystal. There i said it. The game needs more star fox characaters anyway.
If she is playable then Prince Tricky is a assist trophy shoe in.
If she is playable then Prince Tricky is a assist trophy shoe in.
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the problem isn't krystal itself, it's the game that she first appeared and the goddamn furries
and they already have sonic
and they already have sonic
jamesinclair
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I cant believe thats N64...
Bring this engine to the DS please
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Krystal wouldn't bother me anymore than Fox or Falco would. I honestly don't see what the big deal is. Seriously, I'm no furry, but it's like people have developed an allergy to anthropormorphic animals or something.
Anyway, I'm predicting an item update tonight, again.
Anyway, I'm predicting an item update tonight, again.
Oh dear god it's the year 2007 & people still can't get their 2002 facts straight. Listen Rare didn't RUIN StarFox, they were making an N64 game called Dinosaur Planet which like all their N64 games was probably going to rock. Seeing as how GameCube was not too far off they decided to redo the game for the GameCube instead and at some point Nintendo came in and suggested they make the game a StarFox game probably since the main character somewhat looked like Fox and the StarFox name would probably help boost sales.
Rare didn't really change the game all that much to make it into a StarFox game, they took their Dinosaur Planet game add some StarFox characters, music & quick arwing sections.
In the end we have a game that feels nothing like a StarFox game amazingly enough, don't blame Rare because it was Nintendo's idea to make it a StarFox game.
Don't think of it as a StarFox game, think of it as Dinosaur Planet and you'll find a pretty good game in there. The only way you could say Rare ruined StarFox would be if they had intended to make a StarFox game from the begining and screwed it up.
You guys should be pissed off with Namco, they were the ones who really managed to ruin StarFox. I'll take StarFox Adventures over StarFox Assault any day even if it's not your typical arwing based StarFox game. Don't even get me started on how rubbish the barrel roll looks in StarFox Assault, even Rare's game with thrown in arwing sections got the barrel roll right.
As for Krystal, she is cool and I wouldn't mind her in Super Smash Bros Brawl, she could replace Falco.
Rare didn't really change the game all that much to make it into a StarFox game, they took their Dinosaur Planet game add some StarFox characters, music & quick arwing sections.
In the end we have a game that feels nothing like a StarFox game amazingly enough, don't blame Rare because it was Nintendo's idea to make it a StarFox game.
Don't think of it as a StarFox game, think of it as Dinosaur Planet and you'll find a pretty good game in there. The only way you could say Rare ruined StarFox would be if they had intended to make a StarFox game from the begining and screwed it up.
You guys should be pissed off with Namco, they were the ones who really managed to ruin StarFox. I'll take StarFox Adventures over StarFox Assault any day even if it's not your typical arwing based StarFox game. Don't even get me started on how rubbish the barrel roll looks in StarFox Assault, even Rare's game with thrown in arwing sections got the barrel roll right.
As for Krystal, she is cool and I wouldn't mind her in Super Smash Bros Brawl, she could replace Falco.
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Xav said:
So in other words, it was going to suck no matter what.
If it's not something you'd want seen by everybody sitting behind you in a lecture hall, don't post it here.
Seriously. I hate doing the quick scroll every time one of you turds decide to post your furry/loli stash.
Anyway, I didn't find SFA to be all that bad. Graphics were very very good and it was a passable Zelda clone. I just didn't understand why Krystal was in it, that's all. She just... was there. I thought after I saved her there'd be something more to do with her, but she just stays back and I go off to kill
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Seriously. I hate doing the quick scroll every time one of you turds decide to post your furry/loli stash.
Anyway, I didn't find SFA to be all that bad. Graphics were very very good and it was a passable Zelda clone. I just didn't understand why Krystal was in it, that's all. She just... was there. I thought after I saved her there'd be something more to do with her, but she just stays back and I go off to kill
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Now Xav, would you really show that to your friend's conservative grandmother?Xav said:
Really?
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