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Smash Bros Brawl Dojo Official Update Thread: Goodbye, Cherry-don

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pulga said:
People, people, ignore that damn fake. How can you guys even discuss it when THIS thing is mentioned as a playable character?:

tamagon.jpg

It hasn't arms ...
 
:lol I was at the GameFAQs board when that roster was 'leaked'; it's obviously fake, come on. Geno should be more than enough proof for that.

Oh, and I kinda called the old stages thing, right? >_> I really would have liked to get some N64 stages back, I wonder if Sakurai even considered that. And I find the lack of Final Destination disturbing. If it's not there, all of Smashboards will most likely commit mass suicide :lol
 
Fireblend said:
:lol I was at the GameFAQs board when that roster was 'leaked'; it's obviously fake, come on. Geno should be more than enough proof for that.

Oh, and I kinda called the old stages thing, right? >_> I really would have liked to get some N64 stages back, I wonder if Sakurai even considered that. And I find the lack of Final Destination disturbing. If it's not there, all of Smashboards will most likely commit mass suicide :lol

It wouldn't be very hard to make FD in the stage editor.
 
Pretty good update today. Good to see that rainbow road is back, but its disappointing that there's no pokefloats or big blue.
 
Aras said:
ok whether that roster is true or not, please before you post the link write "Spoiler" or something like that

remember that we are close to the japanese release and the possibilities of having the complete roster in internet are higher everyday...
Alternatively: Don't click the link unless you can tell what it is through context.
 
This is basically just a French translation of another rumor that was circulating on Smash Boards about a week or so ago....and was pretty much debunked on the spot, no less. :D
 
Fireblend said:
And I find the lack of Final Destination disturbing. If it's not there, all of Smashboards will most likely commit mass suicide :lol

I don't see why so many people are worried about Final Destination. It probably will be in again as the final arena in classic mode, but with a new look. Many of Master Hand's attacks wouldn't even work very well on an arena which isn't flat.
 
KittenMaster said:
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Yes. They basically copied and pasted and modified a bit, but the minimalistic design and a low amount of pitfalls (the only pitfall didn't always kill either) made this arena a more skill based stage than the rest in Smash 64.

EDIT: Oh, and ShockingAlberto, I already PM'd you with a :lol symbol about your avatar, but I want to really say it makes me chuckle every time to see the badly drawn Snake as someone's avatar, heh.

Dreamland 64!
 
And what is so special about Final Destination's design, anyway? Is it so unbelievable that a level with a single platform will be implemented in some shape or form? O_o
 
If there is no final destination you can easily make a big flat block with the level editor. :lol
 
KevinCow said:
I just realized that today's update opens the possibility of a "Returning Items: Part 2" :(
well the point is that i don't expect every stage to return but every item is going to return,this could opens the possibility of a "returning pokemon: part 2" though
 
PkunkFury said:
And just in case anyone still wants to beleive the list, Tamagon is from the same game as Devil, but Devil doesn't have a game icon...
I don't think any Assist Trophies were introduced with icons, though.

That said, taking this with one massive massive grain of salt. :lol
 
I'm still hoping for that idea I posted a few pages back: the "Unlockable Content" update, outlining Smash's heavy emphasis on unlocking stuff and providing for examples the four original unlockables: Ness, Capt. Falcon, Jigglypuff, and Luigi.

Is it considered grammatically correct to have two colons in a sentence?

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MetatronM said:
I don't think any Assist Trophies were introduced with icons, though.

Lyn, Knuckle Joe, and Goroh had their respective series icons.
 
I hope this hasn't already been pointed out, I didn't see if it was. I just realized that the sequence partway into the second recent commercial (with a giant Pikachu stomping after a tiny Bowser) is a direct call-back to the '07 E3 footage. Same stage, swapped roles. I love the sense of humor they have making this game.
 
Kulock said:
I hope this hasn't already been pointed out, I didn't see if it was. I just realized that the sequence partway into the second recent commercial (with a giant Pikachu stomping after a tiny Bowser) is a direct call-back to the '07 E3 footage. Same stage, swapped roles. I love the sense of humor they have making this game.

Honestly, the first thing I thought of when I saw that was an episode of the horrid Pokemon anime, where they're on an island with giant Pokemon, including a giant Pikachu. Then I cursed myself for even remembering that much about that show. Even though I loved it back in the day, I hate what it's become.
 
Regarding that list, I doubt it's true, but I'd be happy with it for the most part. No Ridley would make me sad, but other than that I think it represents a wide variety of characters with a good mix of obscure and well-known.

But like I said, I highly doubt it. Sylux over Ridley? Dixie over K. Rool? (and don't get me wrong, I'd love that, DKC2 is in my top five games of all time, but I just don't see it happening) JaJaMaru-kun? I'd never even heard of him until this list, and Jaleco's a pretty obscure third-party. Knuckles but no Tails is like having Mario and Wario but no Luigi.

Other than those, I think the rest are pretty reasonable.

From what I understand, Zelgius is a major antagonist in Radiant Dawn and Path of Radiance, so he makes sense.

Plusle and Minun, I guess I could see them taking Pichu's place.

I could also see Nintendo asking Sakurai to put Ray in for basically some free advertising, like they did with Roy in Melee (and they're only one letter apart!).

Tamagon's a bit odd and obscure, but then you have Ice Climbers and Mr. Game & Watch in the same game, so I don't think "odd and obscure" is a particularly big hurdle for Sakurai.

Cecil's as good a representative of Final Fantasy as any.

Geno scored well in Sakurai's poll and was specifically mentioned by him.

And the other new characters are almost expected.


Still, while I could see this being the final list of characters, I highly doubt it.

Just over two weeks before we finally have the completely true answer :(
 
Iam Canadian said:
I'm still hoping for that idea I posted a few pages back: the "Unlockable Content" update, outlining Smash's heavy emphasis on unlocking stuff and providing for examples the four original unlockables: Ness, Capt. Falcon, Jigglypuff, and Luigi.

Is it considered grammatically correct to have two colons in a sentence?

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Lyn, Knuckle Joe, and Goroh had their respective series icons.

Waluigi.
 
KevinCow said:
Regarding that list, I doubt it's true, but I'd be happy with it for the most part. No Ridley would make me sad, but other than that I think it represents a wide variety of characters with a good mix of obscure and well-known.

But like I said, I highly doubt it. Sylux over Ridley? Dixie over K. Rool? (and don't get me wrong, I'd love that, DKC2 is in my top five games of all time, but I just don't see it happening) JaJaMaru-kun? I'd never even heard of him until this list, and Jaleco's a pretty obscure third-party. Knuckles but no Tails is like having Mario and Wario but no Luigi.

Other than those, I think the rest are pretty reasonable.

From what I understand, Zelgius is a major antagonist in Radiant Dawn and Path of Radiance, so he makes sense.

Plusle and Minun, I guess I could see them taking Pichu's place.

I could also see Nintendo asking Sakurai to put Ray in for basically some free advertising, like they did with Roy in Melee (and they're only one letter apart!).

Takamaru's a bit odd and obscure, but then you have Ice Climbers and Mr. Game & Watch in the same game, so I don't think "odd and obscure" is a particularly big hurdle for Sakurai.

Cecil's as good a representative of Final Fantasy as any.

Geno scored well in Sakurai's poll and was specifically mentioned by him.

And the other new characters are almost expected.


Still, while I could see this being the final list of characters, I highly doubt it.

Just over two weeks before we finally have the completely true answer :(


Why would they skip out Hector, Lyndis, eliwood, Elincia, Emphraim, Eirika and go to some dull knight dude
 
Iam Canadian said:
Is it considered grammatically correct to have two colons in a sentence?

Yeah. There's no rule about maximum colonage per sentence. You can use as many as you like as long as you use them properly in each clause.

I've been really busy lately and haven't been following the pre-release hype much lately, so a thought: Won't the Japanese press start getting review copies sometime before the release? I don't know how that process works exactly but it seems like that should be happening sometime soon.
 
pulga said:
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You didn't even address the worst offender.
Refer to edit.

farnham said:
Why would they skip out Hector, Lyndis, eliwood, Elincia, Emphraim, Eirika and go to some dull knight dude
Because
he's a major antagonist, and Fire Emblem doesn't have bad guy representation. He's Ike's arch nemesis, as he killed Ike's father.

Why have random lords from other games when you can have two characters who are connected by their stories? Especially with the Subspace Emissary, where the stories of these characters will actually matter.

EDIT: Spoilered that, apparently it's a big spoiler.
 
farnham said:
Why would they skip out Hector, Lyndis, eliwood, Elincia, Emphraim, Eirika and go to some dull knight dude

Well
Zelgius is the Black Knight who is Ikes nemesis throughout both games, so he could have an alternate costume where he dons his BK armor
. Damn, KevinCow beat me.

Other than that I cant say why he would be in the game. I would much rather have Elincia or Hector to bring in some diversity to the game, I mean I really cant see Zelgius being that much different from Ike. He would just be another big, really slow guy with a sword, Ike with armor basically.
 
Cosmonaut X said:
No shit - and there was me just a chapter or two into PoR...

Fucking nob...
Sorry :(

My experience with the games is through a few cutscenes and Wikipedia. I didn't know that character's identity was a spoiler.
 
I haven't even looked at the link, but just seeing you all throw around the name "Cecil" is enough to convince me it's fake. :P The only reason he'd even possibly get in over some other more general FF representative (like, say, Mog) is to promote FFIV DS, but I don't know why S-E would ask Nintendo to use Smash as a promotional tool for a remake instead of, say, Dragon Quest IX.
 
KevinCow said:
Sorry :(

My experience with the games is through a few cutscenes and Wikipedia. I didn't know that character's identity was a spoiler.

It's alright - I've coped with worse spoilers, it was just a bit of bad timing.
 
Jiggy37 said:
I haven't even looked at the link, but just seeing you all throw around the name "Cecil" is enough to convince me it's fake. :P The only reason he'd even possibly get in over some other more general FF representative (like, say, Mog) is to promote FFIV DS, but I don't know why S-E would ask Nintendo to use Smash as a promotional tool for a remake instead of, say, Dragon Quest IX.

B/c, simply put, a remake would probably be just a BIT harder sale for some people, as opposed to a new game.

I mean, for example, think about all the people in Japan who are probably biting at the bit to play the new DQ, as opposed to an older one (the other game getting remade for DS). The numbers will definitely lean more towards the newer game, as opposed to the older one.

So, in that light, advertising for a remake would make sense. Rose-tinted glasses would be donned and worn proudly upon people seeing an old favorite strut his/her bad-self, and that could be more than enough to sway them to buy the remake as well.

Hey, I'm sure that's what Nintendo is banking on such a thing for themselves, seeing how Marth is pretty much guaranteed to be in this game, and he's got a game coming up for the DS.
 
TreIII said:
B/c, simply put, a remake would probably be just a BIT harder sale for some people, as opposed to a new game.
That's exactly why I think they wouldn't do it. >_> I don't see how putting a character in from a pre-existing game would help since so many people already know they like it or know they don't like it, whereas a DQIX hero being awesome in Brawl might sell some people. In other words, I think that there are more people on the fence for a new game than for a remake--that with remakes opinions are more clear-cut beforehand.

And even moreso for a game like Final Fantasy IV that (unlike Fire Emblem 1) was just remade two years ago anyway.
 
Jiggy37 said:
That's exactly why I think they wouldn't do it. >_> I don't see how putting a character in from a pre-existing game would help since so many people already know they like it or know they don't like it, whereas a DQIX hero being awesome in Brawl might sell some people. In other words, I think that there are more people on the fence for a new game than for a remake--that with remakes opinions are more clear-cut beforehand.

And even moreso for a game like Final Fantasy IV that (unlike Fire Emblem 1) was just remade two years ago anyway.

I think the general thing is to try and cover as many bases as they can.

After all, for as many people who know they like, love or loathe the game, there may be plenty still who (some how) missed out for whatever reason, and could use the extra incentive through a means like Smash.

That's why opting for a hero from a remake, or hell, even from a game that was released a matter of months ago (like It's a Wonderful World/The World Ends With You) may make sense. You can't say no to free advertising, and why not put it more towards the product that may actually stand to benefit from it, if it came down to a choice between that, and such a game that probably stands to not need it at all (re: DQ9)?

Speaking of IaWW...wouldn't it be funny if they put Neku in the game, and basically tried marketing him and Lucas' games for the US through their representation in Brawl? :D

[/wishful thinking]
 
Enduin said:
Well
Zelgius is the Black Knight who is Ikes nemesis throughout both games, so he could have an alternate costume where he dons his BK armor
. Damn, KevinCow beat me.

Other than that I cant say why he would be in the game. I would much rather have Elincia or Hector to bring in some diversity to the game, I mean I really cant see Zelgius being that much different from Ike. He would just be another big, really slow guy with a sword, Ike with armor basically.


My point exactly

I want Emphraim as a speer user, Lyn as a Myrmidon type (obviously its not possible), Hector as the Berserker, Axe user type and maybe some bow user that also uses other weapons (oh man thats actually Lyn.. so much wasted potential)
 
On that likely fake list up there, yeah, it was on GameFAQs a few days or so ago, though this one has more people on it (Tamagon and Plusle/Minun were definitely not on it before). Other than the fact that it has something like six 3rd party characters on it, which is not going to happen, I figure the best way to debunk it is with Jajamaru-kun. That's a Jaleco game, and on the list of 3rd parties Nintendo might go to for characters, well, I don't think Jaleco is too high up there. I think the guy who came up with the list probably thought he should include some "out of nowhere" character much like Mr. G&W was in Melee, which is a pretty good idea for a fake list since the game's bound to have such a character. He probably looked at Jajamaru's recent VC release and figured that would be a good pick, and the VC release itself would lend credibility to the rumor. What he probably didn't realize was that Nintendo doesn't actually make Jajamaru-kun.

Besides that, it just seems fake. I mean, Sylux? Really.
 
TreIII said:
That's why opting for a hero from a remake, or hell, even from a game that was released a matter of months ago (like It's a Wonderful World/The World Ends With You) may make sense. You can't say no to free advertising, and why not put it more towards the product that may actually stand to benefit from it, if it came down to a choice between that, and such a game that probably stands to not need it at all (re: DQ9)?
I think the reason our opinions are divergent is that you think DQIX doesn't need promotion and I do. >_> It might have the Dragon Quest name going for it, but that only matters in Japan--if S-E's really serious about making DQ as huge as it should be, they have to figure out a way to pull in more global appeal.

And even in Japan, there might be some holdouts who are concerned about DQ taking a backwards step technologically, and/or being the first main series entry to start off on a portable system. Even if that was only 0.5% of DQ buyers (and considering the DS' success in Japan, it just might be likely that only one out of every 200 people cares :lol), 0.5% of two million buyers would still equal ten thousand copies. I think there's just more at stake with a completely new entry of a game likely to sell multiple millions than with a remake of a game that might not even hit 400,000.


Speaking of IaWW...wouldn't it be funny if they put Neku in the game, and basically tried marketing him and Lucas' games for the US through their representation in Brawl? :D
...
I must not be following IaWW enough, because I don't even know who Neku is. D: I do think it'd be awesome to have an assist trophy with the girl and those rhythm-input attacks it looked like she was using. :D
 
Predicting Captain Falcon + Big Blue 2 stage based on Drift Highway (so basically it would take place in a glass tunnel underwater) + Big Blue music. :D
 
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