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So about Pauline

Too bad.

I liked the "Captain Syrup = Pauline" theory.

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Only thing I would pop for bigger than Pauline's re-debut here, which was/is great AF, is if Wart was the main villain again in a core Mario game, or better yet, if we ever seen a direct sequel to Mario 2 USA.

Seriously, I want Super Mario Bros. 2 USA: part 2 (or whatever the hell it would be called). Easily my most wanted sequel I want, and yet, never will probably happen.

Yoshi's Island is basically a spiritual successor to SMB 2 US.

Think about it, it makes sense.
 
Always good to see her back. I'm hoping they cut deep with the original Donkey Kong references.

I'll admit though I'm gonna miss her ridiculous Jessica Rabbit proportions.
 
The big plot twist of the game will be when Mario and Pauline realise they still have feelings for eachother and Peach realises she has feelings for Bowser.

Gonna be disappointing when she turns out to be the final boss all along.

Oh god she wants the Peach/Bowser marriage to happen so she can get back together with Mario. Honestly hope they don't go with crazy ex angle for her lol.
 
The big plot twist of the game will be when Mario and Pauline realise they still have feelings for eachother and Peach realises she has feelings for Bowser.



Oh god she wants the Peach/Bowser marriage to happen so she can get back together with Mario. Honestly hope they don't go with crazy ex angle for her lol.

Well, it would make damn sense. Pauline's Song in the trailer is nothing less than an adimiration and pleasing act dedicated for Mario. She wants to be his 1-Up-Girl! And to be quite comparative here, what has Peach ever done else for Mario beside writing letters to invite for cake and coffee like a grandma.

Chose wisely Mario!
 
Well, it would dman make sense. Pauline's Song in the trailer is nothing less than an adimiration and pleasing act dedicated for Mario. She wants to be his 1-Up-Girl! And to be quite comparative here, what has peach ever done else for mario beside writing letters to invite for cake and coffee like a grandma.

Chose wisely Mario!

Still sticking with Pauline is Mario's mom. I mean who else would be his 1-up girl besides the woman who gave him life?
 
Luigi x Peach is a thing that's more likely the issue here. If Game Theory is to be believed, Rosalina's their kid from the future even.

Good point. We might get that story now that Koizumi is out from under Miyamoto's thumb.

Or it could be a song Peach composed and she'll sing a different version over the credits. But the DK arcade theme being sampled doesn't fit with that.
 
Edit: Well the Mushroom Kingdom had a king, but we rarely if ever see him. We can safely assume Peach usurped him and assumed power.

Peach might be the reigning monarch in a principality (like Prince Albert is the reigning monarch of Monaco), which might be the a tributary to the Mushroom Kingdom proper.
Peach might not even be the daughter of the Mushroom King; this is backed up by the fact that in Japanese, she is "Pichi-hime", about which Wikipedia says:
Hime (姫) is the Japanese word for "princess", or more literally "demoiselle", i.e. a (usually young) lady of higher birth. Daughters of a monarch are actually referred to by other terms, e.g. Ōjo (王女), literally king's daughter, even though Hime can be used to address Ōjo.
 
From helpless, sexualized damsel in distress to famous singer/Mayor of New Donk City. There's something genuinely endearing about how she turned her life around after being effectively replaced by Princess Peach in the main series. Plus, she even talks about how she fixed up the city after a unspecified massive disaster (talk about lore, lmao).

I wonder how Donkey Kong will factor into this. The city is named after him as well...

I think she was already established as a celebrity in the MvsDK games, funny that they decided to go "celebrity turned politician" with her, hahaha.

I mean she was still a distressed damsel recently in most Mario vs. DK games.

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I wasn't even aware she appeared in any MvsDK game after the first one.

Pauline was sexualized huh? Must've missed that.

Her modern design pre Odyssey was pretty much jesica rabbit lite.

No, that would make too much sense. We already know he's named after a stubborn mule + King Kong.

That's our universe's explanation on how Miyamoto came up with the name, the in universe explanation could totally be that, maybe DK was the city's mascot.
 
I said it once and i'll say it again: Donkey Kong will be the final villain of the game and you'll have to climb a tower in New Donk City to stop him.

This would be absolutely brilliant. Everyone thinks it's just about Bowser and Peach once again, but instead the game goes back to the original game. Just like BotW did.
 
So like, quick question;



Does living in New Donk City cause some kind of metamorphosis towards human proportions? Considering the fact that Pauline kind of looks like a halfway point between Mario and one of the NDC citizens.

The Game Theorist channel actually had a very plausible explanation for this.

If you pay attention to the Donkey Kong Country series the first game was about Donkey Kong recovering his special stash of bananas. In that game every villain were giants. In the subsequent games the goals were about something else and Donkey Kong never had to deal with giant living enemies like the first game ever again.

In New Donk City the Kongs have set up restaurants.


Their theory is that the special bananas is what gives the Kongs their size, which is why their enemies in the first game became giants. So if the Kongs are using their special bananas as ingredients they've been influencing the biology of everyone who lives in New Donk.
 
I'm not exactly thrilled with her constituents looking like uncanny valley Sonic 06 rejects pretending to be Mad Men extras, but...
...I absolutely LOVE the fact that they're using Pauline in a mainline AAA Super Mario platformer, and I also adore the fact that they've put her in a position of authority.
I honestly hope this starts a new trend within the series; I want EPD Tokyo to pull in all sorts of characters from the wider Mario universe and find interesting roles for them to play.

Like I'd love to see a mainline game where Wario and maybe even Waluigi are the big, premiere villains stirring up trouble somewhere on the Mushroom Kingdom's planet (rather than Bowser for the fifteen millionth time, give the big guy a break already!).

Hell if I can get a bit wacky for a sec, I'd LOVE to see a mainline platformer where Mario and Luigi team up with Daisy to fight back an invasion of Sarasaland by the X-Nauts from Paper Mario:TTYD.
And tbh, even something as simple and goofy as racing against Mona Pizza within a sandbox Mario mission would be dope af.

I mean...I don't want them obnoxiously cramming in a bunch of random characters for no good reason (*coughcoughfuckingsonicteamcoughcough*), but I feel like pulling from the wider Super Mario Bros. universe would do a lot to help keep the series fresh and surprising for a long time.
 
The Game Theorist channel actually had a very plausible explanation for this.

If you pay attention to the Donkey Kong Country series the first game was about Donkey Kong recovering his special stash of bananas. In that game every villain were giants. In the subsequent games the goals were about something else and Donkey Kong never had to deal with giant living enemies like the first game ever again.

In New Donk City the Kongs have set up restaurants.


Their theory is that the special bananas is what gives the Kongs their size, which is why their enemies in the first game became giants. So if the Kongs are using their special bananas as ingredients they've been influencing the biology of everyone who lives in New Donk.

Good theory!

Now they just need to explain how the original Donkey Kong went through so much muscular atrophy that he turned into Cranky Kong
 
Calling it, Pauline is working with Bowser in Mario Odyssey. Bet she's still salty after Mario ditched her for Peach! Help Bowser marry Peach and then she'll be out of the way!
 
Only thing I would pop for bigger than Pauline's re-debut here, which was/is great AF, is if Wart was the main villain again in a core Mario game, or better yet, if we ever seen a direct sequel to Mario 2 USA.

Seriously, I want Super Mario Bros. 2 USA: part 2 (or whatever the hell it would be called). Easily my most wanted sequel I want, and yet, never will probably happen.

Right there with you! There's so much from Super Mario Bros. 2 that's never been incorporated into the larger universe. Bowser as the main villain needs to be a thing of the past, once and for all.
 
Donkey Kong was snatched from a mysterious island, taken to new donk city, named after it, and went wild

Mario and Pauline were in their 20's, but dk could plausibly be 40. Pauline going from a singer to a mayor in the span of another 20 years makes sense, putting cranky at a semi-old 60. DK jr could've been born before DK1, or wasn't as young as he looked. DK3 is chill af and does 1 handed push-ups in his treehouse. Who knows why all the streets are named after apes. Maybe they did it as a bit so they could join the DK crew

So it's probably that they're retconning New York to be New Donk so it's still on mushroom planet. Considering Diamond City also exists, it's really not that weird

Also the main villain of odessey is totally bowser's hat

Instead of having a helpful hat that matches your outfit (cappy) the ghost top hat on bowser gave him an outfit he likes. Also something way weirder could happen by him marrying Peach like the thousand year door

So this game is lowkey a hat vs hat thing
 
Good point. We might get that story now that Koizumi is out from under Miyamoto's thumb.

Or it could be a song Peach composed and she'll sing a different version over the credits. But the DK arcade theme being sampled doesn't fit with that.

Yes, and I couldn't be happier about that. We never would have gotten a Mario like this if modern-day Miyamoto was still running the software show. This is a great new era for Nintendo.
 
I'm not exactly thrilled with her constituents looking like uncanny valley Sonic 06 rejects pretending to be Mad Men extras, but...
...I absolutely LOVE the fact that they're using Pauline in a mainline AAA Super Mario platformer, and I also adore the fact that they've put her in a position of authority.
I honestly hope this starts a new trend within the series; I want EPD Tokyo to pull in all sorts of characters from the wider Mario universe and find interesting roles for them to play.

Like I'd love to see a mainline game where Wario and maybe even Waluigi are the big, premiere villains stirring up trouble somewhere on the Mushroom Kingdom's planet (rather than Bowser for the fifteen millionth time, give the big guy a break already!).

Hell if I can get a bit wacky for a sec, I'd LOVE to see a mainline platformer where Mario and Luigi team up with Daisy to fight back an invasion of Sarasaland by the X-Nauts from Paper Mario:TTYD.
And tbh, even something as simple and goofy as racing against Mona Pizza within a sandbox Mario mission would be dope af.

I mean...I don't want them obnoxiously cramming in a bunch of random characters for no good reason (*coughcoughfuckingsonicteamcoughcough*), but I feel like pulling from the wider Super Mario Bros. universe would do a lot to help keep the series fresh and surprising for a long time.

I'm really hoping for this too!
 
I'm not exactly thrilled with her constituents looking like uncanny valley Sonic 06 rejects pretending to be Mad Men extras, but...
...I absolutely LOVE the fact that they're using Pauline in a mainline AAA Super Mario platformer, and I also adore the fact that they've put her in a position of authority.
I honestly hope this starts a new trend within the series; I want EPD Tokyo to pull in all sorts of characters from the wider Mario universe and find interesting roles for them to play.

Like I'd love to see a mainline game where Wario and maybe even Waluigi are the big, premiere villains stirring up trouble somewhere on the Mushroom Kingdom's planet (rather than Bowser for the fifteen millionth time, give the big guy a break already!).

Hell if I can get a bit wacky for a sec, I'd LOVE to see a mainline platformer where Mario and Luigi team up with Daisy to fight back an invasion of Sarasaland by the X-Nauts from Paper Mario:TTYD.
And tbh, even something as simple and goofy as racing against Mona Pizza within a sandbox Mario mission would be dope af.

I mean...I don't want them obnoxiously cramming in a bunch of random characters for no good reason (*coughcoughfuckingsonicteamcoughcough*), but I feel like pulling from the wider Super Mario Bros. universe would do a lot to help keep the series fresh and surprising for a long time.

This sounds chaotic, but as someone who has wanted to see a more cohesive Mario universe since learning Yoshi's Island was a thing, I'd love to see more games borrow from one another. They barely get all the characters they need into spin-offs, but it'd be great to explore these parts of the universe in the mainline games, too!

It's still looking like Pauline's a one-off thing, and that the rest of the world is just new areas. But we've had DLC in mainline Mario games twice with New Super Mario Bros. 2/U, so I can see them adding an area based on Sarasaland, Subcon, or the Comet Observatory & surrounding planetoids if the addition of Pauline into a mainline game proves popular enough. They were also vague about DK's role in New Donk City, so I'm still holding out hope for more DK content. Especially if K. Rool ends up involved in a mainline Mario, somehow.
 
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