This is absolutely fantastic news - let's hope this isn't a one-off and that they may get around to updating Balloon Fight as well!
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So, about the Wii U 50hz VC...
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This is absolutely fantastic news - let's hope this isn't a one-off and that they may get around to updating Balloon Fight as well!
Air Zombie Meat
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Oh wow, great news. I hoped but I doubted they'd fold. Will they keep it up though?
Everyone should go on Miiverse and pledge support to Nintendo for going through with this. People might consider it common sense for them to make this standard but there's no telling whether or not they'll revert, and if we can make it clear that this gesture is more than appreciated they might keep at doing this for all future releases.
Miiverse is really a blessing for this stuff.
Miiverse is really a blessing for this stuff.
Dash Kappei
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Just to reiterate, besides a few Gamecube early titles by Nintendo plagued by 50hz (like Wave Race BS), every retro Nintendo game or Sega game or whatever released in Italy at 50Hz was always in english, no italian translation up to some (post-GBA) Game Boy Color titles like the Zelda Oracles. That'a cause before the GBA/Gamecube, Ninty's consoles distribution was a mess only fixed by the advent of Nintendo Italia in November 2001 (the GBA, released late June 2001, was initally distribuited by toy vendor Ceppi Ratti).
So there, just short of 60M people ready to relive their childhood games in a 60Hz english-only affair right there
I'd wager the same for spanish people? French and germans prolly got quite a bit of them translated.
There are quite a few German translated SNES games. All(?) RPGs, Zelda, Super Metroid, Yoshi's Island and the Donkey Kong Country games are some I can think of. Basically every Nintendo published game that had more text than just the menus.
Box of Bunnies
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Considering how few RPGs made it over to PAL land pre-Playstation I don't think this is much of a concern either way.
IIRC the Breath of Fire games and Soul Blazer weren't translated, just off the top of my head.
But they should let you choose to download the US or PAL version in that case.
Like somebody said, they made several versions of Links Awakening available in Switzerland - so it can't be that much of a hassle. Let's all hope for the best.
I actually have a noname CRT (Lumatron or something haha) that we bought new in like 2007 for real cheap that does not support NTSC! It takes PAL 60 just fine, but I plugged in my NTSC NES into it once and it was only in black & white. Perhaps it's because it was through composite cables, but my other TVs can display it in color no problem. I haven't tried NTSC through RGB Scart though, maybe that would work. But the NES doesn't have RGB. My Trinitron CRT just takes that NTSC signal through composite like it's nothing and displays it just fine.
Anyway, so there are TVs out there still that doesn't handle NTSC as well as they should. But in this day and age I think the vast, vast majority of people have a TV that handles NTSC signals just fine. And actually, in the VC case, they wouldn't even have to display an NTSC signal, they could just display the game using PAL 60, could they not? PAL 60 seems to be pretty much identical to NTSC. Same framerate, same resolution. I suppose the color standards are different, but whatever, that can be fixed in software. So why not use PAL 60?
Anyway, so there are TVs out there still that doesn't handle NTSC as well as they should. But in this day and age I think the vast, vast majority of people have a TV that handles NTSC signals just fine. And actually, in the VC case, they wouldn't even have to display an NTSC signal, they could just display the game using PAL 60, could they not? PAL 60 seems to be pretty much identical to NTSC. Same framerate, same resolution. I suppose the color standards are different, but whatever, that can be fixed in software. So why not use PAL 60?
Not sure on Breath of Fire, I never saw a PAL version of that. Soul Blazer was definitely translated.
From the top of my head this concerns: Soul Blazer, Illusion of Time, Terranigma (this of course doesn't even have an English 60Hz version), Secret of Mana, Secret of Evermore, Lufia 2 and Mystic Quest Legend. So a good part of the "important" ones.
But of those only Secret of Mana and Mystic Quest Legend were released on the Wii VC, so I don't have high hopes for the others to release on the Wii U VC.
Now I have to draw a new picture
Yeah, are there *positive* responses to this on Miiverse? We've had a lot of negative from there lately, it'd be nice to see some happy art.
It should. Your TV is handling the refresh rate of NTSC but not the colour information. RGB uses its own colour coding information which is consistent.
Conrad Link
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I don't have a pic of it but I went on the F-Zero one and thanked Nintendo for 'being a PAL' to us PAL gamers and listening.
I really wanted to show appreciation for something (honestly) unexpectedly awesome.Finished with a polite now please keep doing it! ^_^
Because it'll all amount to nothing if for some reason they just go back to doing 50hz next game lol.
Neff
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Good news, Punch Out!! is going to be 60hz on the PAL VC, so it looks like they'll be sticking to 60hz across all formats where possible. Again, I'd like to thank everyone who helped make this happen, you know who you are.
ipukespiders
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Nice of them to do this and hopefully they will continue for future titles.
Did they retroactively "fix" balloon fight with a 60Hz update?
Did they retroactively "fix" balloon fight with a 60Hz update?
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Thread title should be updated with something like THE 50HZ EPIC BATTLE OF THE AGES WON BY MIIVERSE
Thanks guys, you've done what us Wii owners could never achieve in our times, cheers to that!
Thanks guys, you've done what us Wii owners could never achieve in our times, cheers to that!
So, Kirby's Adventure won't be the 60Hz version:
"This is the European version of the game, which was optimised originally by the developer to offer gameplay and music speed similar to the US version. Demos and animations may run at PAL speed. The aspect ratio has been corrected for this release."
I thought Nintendo finally understood...
"This is the European version of the game, which was optimised originally by the developer to offer gameplay and music speed similar to the US version. Demos and animations may run at PAL speed. The aspect ratio has been corrected for this release."
I thought Nintendo finally understood...
Eh, the definite version is on 3DS anyway.
But the bigger problem is that this implies we will be getting more 50Hz versions and that NTSC version won't be standard across the board.
I thought someone said that only Kirby was sped up to his NTSC/JAP speed while the enemies are still slowed down.
Superior speedrun version confirmed!
Box of Bunnies
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Kirby's Bizarre Adventure
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ZA WARUDO
Bill Rizer
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Wat? This is pure madness.
fabricated backlash
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Optimized PAL versions are fine. But they are far and few in a sea of unoptimized slowed down garbage that was often marred by the NTSCs lower resolution (black borders)
That's what I'm guessing too. After they released the last two games in 60hz, I wondered what would happen with one that was actually translated in other languages... And I guess that's the answer.
Didn't know about Kirby. But I didn't notice the 3DS port being faster (except the slowdown being completely gone from the game, I guess) than whatever version was on the PAL Wii VC shop. Original Wii that is.
The DKC trilogy does this as well. And now I'm sad I never got DKC3. Only got the first two and now they're gone
I haven't experienced it in 60hz but I'd love to play it the way it was intended. But I thought it was offputting how SMOOTH and FLUID Fusion and Zero mission were when I first played them.
But back then I was a dumb little shit, so what did I know? I'm a wiser man now.
Did they ever fix Super Mario Bros? Because in a game that's all about movement and momentum having the game run 30% faster than it should is catastrophic.
Ein Bear
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I played Super for the first time after playing the GBA games, and found it to be really clunky and sluggish. I'm really looking forward to the chance to play it in 60hz. Will be nice not to have the forced German/French subtitles too.
Super Mario Bros. hasn't been put up on the service yet, but I'm hoping it'll be 60hz when it gets here.
Did you even read the press release?
The game is still not a s good as the JAP/NTSC release, even if they removed the borders.
If it's a good PAL conversion - I'm not qualified to answer that - the only grounds for that claim would be the loss of a few frames of animation (The solution Ikaruga GC went with).
I'm okay with it if that's all it is.
...not that I'd buy it, I have the 3D Classics version.
Neff
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No, I made an alarmist reactionary post without possessing all the facts. Should I not have done that?
Seriously, even optimised 50hz is never as good as the real thing. It's noticably less smooth, and you're at the mercy of potential overlooked timing bugs, out-of-sync animation, sound issues etc.
I still call bad form.
frankie_baby
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Sorry but I guarantee super metroid will be the pal version
Neff
Member
Do not even joke about it.
frankie_baby
Member
I'm not joking
superchunk
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Being in US it doesn't really matter to me, but why do you think this?
frankie_baby
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same reason kirby is
Box of Bunnies
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This just as bad in its own way, though. It's like playing the whole game with a "slow down the enemies" power up.
superchunk
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Nintendo made an optimized version of Super Metroid?
Robin64
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I made a video of the European Kirby. I will say, the framerate feels a bit lacking, like an emulator running with frameskip. But just a little. It doesn't feel horribly slow, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EiWU-UrC-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EiWU-UrC-0
frankie_baby
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no because of the localised languages