GymWolf
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Slings and Arrows
Banned
I prefer it that way, tbh.
Some mods, pre-rift, got way too close to the community and ended up letting that 'celebrity' status go to their heads.
Posters would then rile up threads, shit-post and troll, just to envoke the coming of black-jesus, followed by pathetic Sam Jackson gifs.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Hey if you wanted more naked showers with buttrock, all you needed to do was ask baby.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I think that's by design.
Ownage
Member
They sadly made many volunteering and paid Los Angeles models unemployed. What a great opportunity for them to network with the industry, right?
ManaByte
Gold Member
bitbydeath
Member
I am consistently amazed by your ability to not curl up into a ball and quitEviLore . Shit, it's what I expected. Makes my depression over other things seem laughable.
I also want to say I never would have joined under the old GAF, even well before the exodus. The moderation now has improved to the point that this is the best forum I've seen in terms of free discussion (without becoming a complete shithole). What you all are doing is working.
The exodus was rough, but I kept regularly lurking here because the whole situation came off as ridiculous. The biggest disappointment was in how many posters actually left, I honestly figured only 30-50% would leave. So glad I never fully bought into Era.
My biggest question is just how you managed to push forward? Did you have anyone (or multiple somebodies) that really helped support you? Did you ever think about ending the site, and if so what convinced you not to?
I left as well temporarily as it was the promise of a better forum that was supposed to not be so extreme in politics and it seemed okay in the beginning. But it didn’t last long.
Stouffers
Banned
One of my duties was filming/photographing booth babes for one of the big sites. It got downright pornographic the year before Santa Monica.
bitbydeath
Member
And those monsters cancelled it!!!
I took a more hands-on approach after the 2017 drama to steer things back to sanity and repair the forum culture, and I'm a moderate. The activist ex-mods all ditched the site at once when I got smeared. Afterwards when I did a bunch of digging with the Ban Justice Project, I found some gross abuses of power by several of them that contributed greatly to the loss of moderate, reasonable voices on the boards, which sent us into a downward spiral and set up the whole disaster.
1) We're on a modern platform now, so everyone can be held properly accountable for their actions. I also carefully selected the new team, and they're very level headed and stable, not self-righteous activists. We also have transparency with a public ban page, and a healthy open discourse and rapport between myself and the users. Despite all the extra checks and balances now, we don't really need the checks and balances since the new mods are trustworthy and fair, and take their relationship with the users seriously.
2) My original plan for GAF Gold was public, and lifted wholesale for ResetEra Clear (just like everything else over there). That plan was taking into account the toxic forum culture that hated capitalism and social hierarchies.
We don't need to go that route anymore since the culture here is chill again. Regardless, I couldn't implement Gold on vb3, and we were waiting until the big migration to Xenforo (which was scheduled for the same week that the drama happened and Reset was formed, probably not coincidentally). It is what it is and I'm happy with how our superior GAF Gold turned out.Slings and Arrows
Banned
As a non-business owning, grifting, forum-turd, I think it's time Neogaf set it's sights higher than REE.
Once upon a time, the internet was filled with gaming forums; N4G, Teamxbox, IGN, to name but a few. Yet, Neogaf was number 1, during a time when gaming hadn't reached the audiences it had today, during a time when the thought of having the internet on a phone was a Star-Trek nerds' fantasy.
In contrast, today, we have more gamers, more people and the internet and...less gaming forums.
I wouldn't be far off the mark to say that Neogaf, is the only gaming forum on the internet. Reddit is a shilled, ad-riddled, market-controlled shit hole, with respect to gaming, and Ree is...well, a laughably poor forum.
Let's make Neogaf great again.
Once upon a time, the internet was filled with gaming forums; N4G, Teamxbox, IGN, to name but a few. Yet, Neogaf was number 1, during a time when gaming hadn't reached the audiences it had today, during a time when the thought of having the internet on a phone was a Star-Trek nerds' fantasy.
In contrast, today, we have more gamers, more people and the internet and...less gaming forums.
I wouldn't be far off the mark to say that Neogaf, is the only gaming forum on the internet. Reddit is a shilled, ad-riddled, market-controlled shit hole, with respect to gaming, and Ree is...well, a laughably poor forum.
Let's make Neogaf great again.
Shizumapower
Member
This part. This and everything that was done... It takes a very cool and logical head to prevail. A lot of people wouldn't recover from what you went through.
I'm sure it gave you second thoughts (or maybe not) on the whole thing. It's not easy to watch those who you helped build up steal while you watch.
As a long time lurker, thanks.
Reon
Member
I was a legacy GAF member since like 2013 and watched it degrade into what it was back in 2016-17, it got pretty bad pretty quickly. I'd never been warned or banned for anything until around 2017 then after having three accounts (my original one and then two junior accounts) permabanned in one year for absolute nonsense I called it quits on this place. Coming back this year though was like night and day, it's like old school NeoGAF all over again. You should be proud of what you've done, successfully turning the forum culture around like this.I took a more hands-on approach after the 2017 drama to steer things back to sanity and repair the forum culture, and I'm a moderate. The activist ex-mods all ditched the site at once when I got smeared. Afterwards when I did a bunch of digging with the Ban Justice Project, I found some gross abuses of power by several of them that contributed greatly to the loss of moderate, reasonable voices on the boards, which sent us into a downward spiral and set up the whole disaster.
1) We're on a modern platform now, so everyone can be held properly accountable for their actions. I also carefully selected the new team, and they're very level headed and stable, not self-righteous activists. We also have transparency with a public ban page, and a healthy open discourse and rapport between myself and the users. Despite all the extra checks and balances now, we don't really need the checks and balances since the new mods are trustworthy and fair, and take their relationship with the users seriously.
2) My original plan for GAF Gold was public, and lifted wholesale for ResetEra Clear (just like everything else over there). That plan was taking into account the toxic forum culture that hated capitalism and social hierarchies.
It's funny comparing your efforts against those from somebody like Lowtax, the webhost of SomethingAwful. SomethingAwful got hit with the same kind of extremism that NeoGAF was plagued with a few years ago and Lowtax just kind of let that fester indefinitely, now look at his site. It's a miserable disaster and all of the members hate each other.
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Thanks, and sorry about the nonsense you experienced back in 2016-2017. Things got really out of hand really quickly, yeah. If you'd like to get your original account back, or merged into your new one so that you have a consolidated post history, btw, let me know and I'll sort you out.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
I've got nothing to add, but to say that this is a quality thread! Lots of good insight in here.
Stouffers
Banned
First, you have to shake the stigma of posting here. Somehow, Resetera has made the Alt-right/Nazi label stick
I had a somewhat similar experience.
nush
Member
Only among themselves. Ironically the same people that gave GAF the "Shithole" reputation from before the split too.
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Not as bad as what people are saying about Era in Twitter though. People just call them Reeeee and Pedos among other things.
nush
Member
No lies detected though.
Vorg
Banned
It wasn't reset era. A lot of hateful shit was posted here at the time right after the exodus and the place was basically unmoderated. That label got associated with neogaf because that's the kind of thing you saw posted here every day.
Papa
Banned
Post evidence or fuck off. I’ve been here the whole time and can unequivocally say that the only “hateful shit” was posted by the spineless cunts knocking the magazine racks over on their way out.
Vorg
Banned
Looks like I touched a nerve.
Papa
Banned
Go touch yourself instead cunt
Vorg
Banned
I rest my case.
Papa
Banned
You have no case, cunt. You said that the Nazi/alt-right label was deserved because hateful shit was being posted here after the split. Post your evidence or fuck off you spineless worm.
Herr Edgy
Member
lol
I like this thread. That being said, I just read up on the drama back then because I wasn't here at the time and I did read something something sexual abuse and something something child abuse about GAF on ResetEra. Of course I knew that what they say can't be taken for truth, but they don't tend to just invent things, rather, they twist things, so upon reading this thread I decided to google what happened back then.
From what I gathered, EviLore may or may not have done something that can be considered inappropriate (going naked into the shower to that women with a boyfriend that was puking, primarily), but even if true, I didn't gather anything evil or downright despicable. People do stupid shit at times they don't mean, or they meant it but their views changed, or they thought they meant it based on their perception, which turned out to be a misunderstanding, or heck, they don't even understand themselves and only later realize their own attitude and feelings, making them reflect and change... I don't get why so many people think that every action, every word that someone has ever done or said, is an expression of 'hidden, immutable, intentive nature' of a person.
Of course the things we do and say reflect on us, even if it's just 'a joke', but to say that the perceived intent is equal to the actual intent is naive at best. It assumes that everyone sees the world from the same point of view, which is just plain wrong. I'm particularly allergic to smear campaigns because I was smeared once, too, because the worst part is that no one will ever know the truth except the people involved. EviLore could be lying, he may not; frankly, I don't care, as redemption, tolerance and change are part of my beliefs. The same goes for the crazy people at ResetEra. If they lose the crazies, they are all good in my eyes. Right now, he does a damn good job at keeping this forum intact, so as far as those actions go, I have to say that he strikes me as a much more sympathetic guy than the outrage culture that infests Era.
I like this thread. That being said, I just read up on the drama back then because I wasn't here at the time and I did read something something sexual abuse and something something child abuse about GAF on ResetEra. Of course I knew that what they say can't be taken for truth, but they don't tend to just invent things, rather, they twist things, so upon reading this thread I decided to google what happened back then.
From what I gathered, EviLore may or may not have done something that can be considered inappropriate (going naked into the shower to that women with a boyfriend that was puking, primarily), but even if true, I didn't gather anything evil or downright despicable. People do stupid shit at times they don't mean, or they meant it but their views changed, or they thought they meant it based on their perception, which turned out to be a misunderstanding, or heck, they don't even understand themselves and only later realize their own attitude and feelings, making them reflect and change... I don't get why so many people think that every action, every word that someone has ever done or said, is an expression of 'hidden, immutable, intentive nature' of a person.
Of course the things we do and say reflect on us, even if it's just 'a joke', but to say that the perceived intent is equal to the actual intent is naive at best. It assumes that everyone sees the world from the same point of view, which is just plain wrong. I'm particularly allergic to smear campaigns because I was smeared once, too, because the worst part is that no one will ever know the truth except the people involved. EviLore could be lying, he may not; frankly, I don't care, as redemption, tolerance and change are part of my beliefs. The same goes for the crazy people at ResetEra. If they lose the crazies, they are all good in my eyes. Right now, he does a damn good job at keeping this forum intact, so as far as those actions go, I have to say that he strikes me as a much more sympathetic guy than the outrage culture that infests Era.
Vorg
Banned
You know Matt,
The fact that posts like yours will go unmoderated is my case, bud. Now, this will be my last reply because I don't care to soil myself and stoop to your level of discourse.
I'll just add that saying that it was Resetera that gave gaf the Alt-right label is ridiculous. And like you, I've also been here the whole time.
The fact that posts like yours will go unmoderated is my case, bud. Now, this will be my last reply because I don't care to soil myself and stoop to your level of discourse.
I'll just add that saying that it was Resetera that gave gaf the Alt-right label is ridiculous. And like you, I've also been here the whole time.
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Papa
Banned
Yes mate, me calling you a cunt is evidence that GAF is an alt-right Nazi forum. Or could it just be that you’re a cunt? You lied about hateful alt-right nazi shit being posted here after the split and now you’re trying to deflect because you’ve been called on it. If you were to do that in real life, it would be slander.
Coolwhhip
Neophyte
Thats how we do it these days though. If someone says something we don't like, we want that person to be silenced. Your posts seem unnecessarily angry, but that's your right isn't it?!
Papa
Banned
No quarter for liars
Herr Edgy
Member
Could you chill a bit please and maybe consider that he might not be lying, just his definition of "hateful shit" is a bit less forgiving than yours?
I mean, both you and me know that there are no literal Nazis on here (and if there are, they don't represent the userbase), but it's certainly true that people on here generally associate with things that ResetEra among others associate with alt right stuff, such as being skeptical of Zoe Quinn, being annoyed with SJW agendas etc.
We consider that being moderate, others consider it alt right.
In that sense, yes, GAF is responsible for being labelled alt right in some places. So why flip?
Papa
Banned
Re-read the post he originally responded to for full context (quoted below). Vorg is saying that the alt-right/nazi label is deserved because “that’s the kind of thing you saw posted here every day”. That is a bald-faced lie, and he’s now attempting to conflate me calling him a cunt (which he is) with alt-right/nazi propaganda by lumping them both under the “hateful” umbrella. Like I said, no quarter for liars.
nush
Member
It adds a lens on the discussion from the outside. For an example, what if GAF was labled "Only women post there"? Can you imagine reading this forum with that view?
Herr Edgy
Member
I guess what he wrote is somewhat inflammatory to people that believe otherwise, that is true. Can't comment as I wasn't there. What I do know is that some people nowadays equate GAF's moderate-conservative views with being alt right, so in that sense, I can definitely imagine that being the case back then too.
Papa
Banned
“to people that believe otherwise”
Are we playing the personal truth game? I was here the whole time. He lied. We were never infested with alt-right/nazis posting hateful shit every day, and what he said is tantamount to slander.
Herr Edgy
Member
We are playing the "I wasn't there so I don't know" game.
I don't take a side, neither yours nor his.
Papa
Banned
Cool, butt out then
Herr Edgy
Member
I merely told you why after re-reading I realized why it would seem inflammatory to people who believe otherwise (which you are). I was suggesting that I now understood where you were coming from calling him a cunt.
Papa
Banned
Ok, fair enough, I thought you were defending him
Barsinister
Banned
Alt-right....alt-right....
Nope. I always thought of it like that short story where people were on the planet that rained all the time. Then for a brief moment, the sun came out and everybody went out and played in the daylight. Only the sun never stopped shining here.
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All Summer in a Day by Ray Bradbury
Nope. I always thought of it like that short story where people were on the planet that rained all the time. Then for a brief moment, the sun came out and everybody went out and played in the daylight. Only the sun never stopped shining here.
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All Summer in a Day by Ray Bradbury
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MetalAlien
Banned
So being brash and using foul language is the same as alt-right/nazi? I'm fucking Hitler then.
Thabass
Member
Matt living up his title. Good for you, dude.
Lionel Richie
Member
We all are. One of the very few bright sides of living in such a hysterical time is that you know you'll eventually be labeled as a nazi, so it carries no weight. 10-20 years ago being called a nazi was a serious accusation, nowadays it probably means you made someone angry.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Found the literal fucking Nazi cunt!
Get him ScREEEchers!! I would but I am literally shaking rn, I literally can't even. Mods halp!
Slings and Arrows
Banned
There are lots of shit that Evilore did in the past that is and was well documented. Most of it awkward and cringey shit. Though, the shit I did when I was younger was 100 times cringier, I was lucky not to have it posted all over the net. I can honestly say that I wasn't a fan of Evilore before or during the split. I didn't like how he came across or presented himself to the community.
Now though? He's a different bloke. Which is one of the reasons I made this thread. He was offered crazy money for a forum he 'lucked' in to at a young age and had to figure out how to deal with that, himself growing as a person and an increase in internet fame before the likes of Twitter and internet celebs.. Then, he saw it all fall from grace and have what he had built, ruined and turned to ashes. Yet, he didn't quit, he carried on and got this place back to how it was, if not better. It will take time to get the traffic back, to get back to where he/the forum was 10 years ago and that's fine, the trajectory is positive.
If Evilore can go through all of that, pick himself up and crawl, Dufrain-style, through his own 500 yards of shit and come out smelling of roses the other side, then anyone can.
The book idea, I believe, should be the story of him, written around the structure of a self-help book. Think Tony Robbins/Neil Strauss. I love a good redemption story and seems as I've spent so long on this forum over the years, it would be nice to read about it, from the horses' mouth.
I'm just a random turd on the internet, but I have a lot of respect for you Tyler. No homo.
MacReady13
Member
I had an interaction with the great David Jaffe on twitter, and he seemed to believe, a while ago, that NeoGAF was full of alt righters as well. I told him that was false.