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So I'm at a Mexican themed party...

Do you feel this party is racist?


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So if you were at a french themed party and people where wearing berets and fake baguettes, would it be racist too?

Having the idea of calling this party racist seems completely stupid to me honestly
 
How the shit do you wear a baguette?

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People need to let go of the idea that racism is an exclusively conscious, overt, explicit, or intentional act. Living in a white supremacist culture, you absolutely must accept the possibility that you have white supremacist tendencies without intending or even realizing it. Unconscious acceptance is one of the things that makes these things systemic. Additionally, thinking you are immune from such tendencies because you try harder to stay away from them or because you're on the "good" side reinforces this. The same goes for other structural oppression like sexism and homo- and transphobia.

This type of party is racist, without question. It's not completely dissimilar to black face. It's like luaus and island parties. It's like dressing up as an American Indian for Halloween. It's like believing in the idea of the model minority. And it doesn't matter if you are from the culture and don't feel offended. People can and generally are involved in their own oppression. That isn't to say you are culpable or at fault for being oppressed. But you can absolutely act in a matter that reinforces it. Again, it's systemic. Meaning each one of us is ultimately a part of it.

Now, whether or not that sort of racism offends you is a different matter. And I feel like everyone saying this isn't racist is really saying that. Whether or not it's okay is a harder thing to convince people of, and I'm not about to pretend I can tell people what/why/how to be offended. Am I personally offended? Not necessarily. My roommate is Mexican and when she laughs at or has fun with certain stereotypes, I absolutely do follow along. So don't think I'm saying I'm not guilty of this shit, too. I just think it's important to accept at the very least that it can be problematic rather than thinking outright that you are completely innocent.
 
Context is important but in and of itself it doesn't seem terrible to me (Mexican). That said I can easily see it being really bad and horribly racist depending on the crowd.
 
Out of curiosity are white Mexicans/Hispanics also called gringos or is it just whites from America, Europe, and so on?

Well, Rice-Eater, depends on what you mean by "white Mexicans." I assume you mean people born and raised in America, but with Latin heritage. The answer is no, I've never heard "gringo" used to describe them. We call them chicano's.

We will use "guerro" on the light skinned Hispanics, though. Just means "white boy." More a reference to their skin than to their upbringing.
 
Out of curiosity are white Mexicans/Hispanics also called gringos or is it just whites from America, Europe, and so on?

Gringo is almost only used for white Americans and maybe Canadians that get confused as Americans nowadays, but the word did start as a catch all for foreigners.
There's other things to call pale mexicans, like mennonite or casper.
 
I find that kind of parties to be harmless, like doing a Japan themed wearing kimonos, German sausages and beer, Italy + spaghetti, etc. I am kinda jealous about Mexicans, the world knows their food and do parties themed around their country to celebrate / just share their culture, sure it might be superficial to use lazy stereotypes but at least is something better than being in the dark like a lot of countries and hey those parties might even help some folks to actually decide go to those countries and learn about their true face and culture.

At least on my point of view there are "good" and "bad" stereotypes, As a Colombian I could see how the only Colombian themed party would be to hide stuff on nuns and chess pieces and doing cocaine, it being an example of a bad stereotype.

I really hate how the word racist among many others words are being thrown left and right to the point where they just doesn't mean the same as before, we got to the point where wearing a hat from another country can be labeled as bad as someone committing hate crimes.

But hey, that's how I see this stuff, there is no black and white so I will respect anyone's opinion.
 
Well, Rice-Eater, depends on what you mean by "white Mexicans." I assume you mean people born and raised in America, but with Latin heritage. The answer is no, I've never heard "gringo" used to describe them. We call them chicano's.

We will use "guerro" on the light skinned Hispanics, though. Just means "white boy." More a reference to their skin than to their upbringing.

I'm sure by white mexican he means exactly that, a white mexican.

Like you said tho, white mexicans are "gueros" not gringos.
 
I mean I never thought 9gag memes were funny or accurate, but whatever I guess?

i don't know what's more funny. that you seriously think the "french surrender monkey" joke originates on the internet, or that you're taking it so personally at all

Me personally, I consider any silly jokes (especially one that damned old, come on now) between US, UK, and France to be mostly just friendly ribbing among cousins. I mean yeah france tends to get the brunt of it due to the closer cultural ties of the US and UK, but it's just friendly ribbing at the end of the day.
 
People need to let go of the idea that racism is an exclusively conscious, overt, explicit, or intentional act. Living in a white supremacist culture, you absolutely must accept the possibility that you have white supremacist tendencies without intending or even realizing it. Unconscious acceptance is one of the things that makes these things systemic. Additionally, thinking you are immune from such tendencies because you try harder to stay away from them or because you're on the "good" side reinforces this. The same goes for other structural oppression like sexism and homo- and transphobia.

This type of party is racist, without question. It's not completely dissimilar to black face. It's like luaus and island parties. It's like dressing up as an American Indian for Halloween. It's like believing in the idea of the model minority. And it doesn't matter if you are from the culture and don't feel offended. People can and generally are involved in their own oppression. That isn't to say you are culpable or at fault for being oppressed. But you can absolutely act in a matter that reinforces it. Again, it's systemic. Meaning each one of us is ultimately a part of it.

Now, whether or not that sort of racism offends you is a different matter. And I feel like everyone saying this isn't racist is really saying that. Whether or not it's okay is a harder thing to convince people of, and I'm not about to pretend I can tell people what/why/how to be offended. Am I personally offended? Not necessarily. My roommate is Mexican and when she laughs at or has fun with certain stereotypes, I absolutely do follow along. So don't think I'm saying I'm not guilty of this shit, too. I just think it's important to accept at the very least that it can be problematic rather than thinking outright that you are completely innocent.

Well, if something is "technically" racist, but pretty much no one is bothered, labeling it as such feels like you've cheapened the word. If my friend said they went to racist party last night, I'd expect at the very least someone would be upset if they heard what happened. If I found out it was a bunch of sombreros and whatever, I'd be a bit confused as to why it was apparently racist. Being a little flippant with cultural sensitivity is just that.
 
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I think the top three options say enough. Less Mexican people find it offensive than Mexicans who find it offensive, yet those who aren't find it more offensive. I hope that came out right.

That being said, I'm not Mexican, and I don't see an issue with this. If in another country someone told me they were feasting on burgers and drinking cheap beer in some sort of America party, I'd probably join 'em. I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
 
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I think the top three options say enough. Less Mexican people find it offensive than Mexicans who find it offensive, yet those who aren't find it more offensive. I hope that came out right.

That being said, I'm not Mexican, and I don't see an issue with this. If in another country someone told me they were feasting on burgers and drinking cheap beer in some sort of America party, I'd probably join 'em. I don't think there's anything wrong with it.


They don't even have an AK-47 that's about as Mexican as you can get.
 
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I think the top three options say enough. Less Mexican people find it offensive than Mexicans who find it offensive, yet those who aren't find it more offensive. I hope that came out right.
34% of Mexicans said it was racist compared to 40% of Non-Mexicans, is another way of saying that.
 
Well, if something is "technically" racist, but pretty much no one is bothered, labeling it as such feels like you've cheapened the word. If my friend said they went to racist party last night, I'd expect at the very least someone would be upset if they heard what happened. If I found out it was a bunch of sombreros and whatever, I'd be a bit confused as to why it was apparently racist. Being a little flippant with cultural sensitivity is just that.

I get you, but I disagree. I think it cheapens the word to say racism is only explicit hatred of another group because it ignores that larger reality of racism. Say a bunch of white folks who dedicate a lot of time and study to anti-racism decide to party in black face. Say they absolutely, truly mean no offense by it. Say they have black friends at the party who aren't bothered by it. Does that make black face okay? I think you'd have a hard time arguing for that.
 
I get you, but I disagree. I think it cheapens the word to say racism is only explicit hatred of another group because it ignores that larger reality of racism. Say a bunch of white folks who dedicate a lot of time and study to anti-racism decide to party in black face. Say they absolutely, truly mean no offense by it. Say they have black friends at the party who aren't bothered by it. Does that make black face okay? I think you'd have a hard time arguing for that.

I agree that explicit/intentional racism is not the only form. In the pool poster thread the other day I was pretty decided that I doubt it was intentional but it still sticks out to you as yeah, that's racism. Still, going down the path of anything having to do with cultural desegregation getting labeled racism I don't think is going to help things. Like, does this Mexican-themed party have to be completely researched and indistinguishable from an actual Mexican party to be free of racism? Are they even allowed to party in a Mexican theme at all? When there's no ill-intent and there's nothing to be bothered about imo, much unlike black face, then calling "racism" feels a little extreme. Forcing people into their cultural boxes with the race card is what I see might happen. You can encourage them to be a bit more culturally sensitive without the race card.
 

I'm French. This is me here. Can confirm. All my friends look like this too. We all walk around like this yes. With the glass of wine of course.

Baguette needs to be morning fresh so we all go every morning buy a new one. Beret never move from our heads even in our sleep. The wine is here to make us forget our superior but underapreciated fine taste and knowledge of existentialist literature.
 
You're ignoring the rest of what I'm saying. Wouldn't you think that ignorance stems directly from racism?

I feel like your definition of racism is too broad. We may need a scale of insensitivity here. Let's not equate a Mexican themed party to black face.
 
Definitely not racist. What is racist though is trying to police my culture. If you are feeling some sort of white guilt, instead of trying to limit the propagation of my culture, you could give me money and be absolved of your racism
 
Lazy? You're looking at it the wrong way. They aren't trying to celebrate our culture or heritage. They just want to get shitfaced; much like Cinco de Mayo or St. Patty's Day. No Irish man walks around saying "all you're doing is wearing green and getting drunk. So lazy." I doubt any of the party-goers were strenuously combing through a Mexican History book to make sure their attire accurately matched the time period/culture. It's just people having fun.

Maybe. I mean, if they want to do that, go ahead. I guess I've been spoiled living in a place where even non-mexicans are pretty in tune with Mexican culture beyond the typical stereotypes so when something like this pops up it's a bit underwhelming.
 
Definitely not racist. What is racist though is trying to police my culture. If you are feeling some sort of white guilt, instead of trying to limit the propagation of my culture, you could give me money and be absolved of your racism

Where is the idea that only white people could feel uncomfortable with it coming from?
 
I suppose the outrage comes from looking at this situation with US optics, considering theeir history with racism. I mean, just looking at all the demeaning of all kinds of people in Mexican culture, this wouldn't be too bad for those standards.

Multiple pages and don't know if it's been mentioned (I'm sure it has) but I would go in these to this party.

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All was fun and games until we get to this. Curse those tribal music guys that made this nonsense popular.
 
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