If a multiplat dev targets 4k 60 on PS5 they might be able to hit 1440p 60 on the Series S with the same fidelity settings and the X might get slightly higher fidelity settings.
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So next gen 3rd party games are gonna target a 4TF 1440p baseline and we're ok with this because $299?
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If a multiplat dev targets 4k 60 on PS5 they might be able to hit 1440p 60 on the Series S with the same fidelity settings and the X might get slightly higher fidelity settings.
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ExpandKong
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What even is a terfalop I never gave a shit about them before and I don't know why i should now.
I know what $300 is though.
I know what $300 is though.
Bernd Lauert
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This is borderline concern trolling. The only real difference between the two consoles will be the resolution.
MarkMe2525
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1440p? Let's be real here, most AAA games are going to target 1080p dynamic. The 1440p number is equivalent to Sony's 4k on PS4 pro and Microsoft's 8K on series x as in its not gonna happen all to often.
LittleBusters
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I'm sensing lethal levels of concern trolling.
YeulEmeralda
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At least Sony will still make (single player) games that push the envelope.
YeulEmeralda
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You know that in 3 years the PS5 will likely be discounted to $300?
The generation is going to be 7 years long. Try to take a longer view here- you are stuck with this for 7 years.
Megatron
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They‘re not buying the console that the OP cheers for.
Superkamikaze
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PC's with HDD and GTX 1060's will hold next gen back.
ExpandKong
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Then I guess I'll get a PS5 in 3 years, goddamn I don't need to play Miles Morales the second it comes out I've got kids and like a hundred Switch games I still haven't played lol.
Might get an XSS in January for that Hitman 3 though.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Just when you thought console warring couldn't get more cancerous. 2 more years of this.
YeulEmeralda
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Thats true I understand. But is Microsoft going to kill this system in 3 years?
Kikorin
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I guess problems will come when devs starts to push the most powerful hardware. 4k will scale to 1440p at the start of the gen, but when games starts to be more demanding and will not be 4k on PS5/Xbox SX anymore, then it will be more difficult to have it at decent performance on Series S. Anyway, I guess this is a very good news for a future Switch 2, because if they can have a portable hardware powerful enough to play Series S games at 540p/720p with maybe DLSS to upscale at 1080p, it will get pretty much all third party games.
Fbh
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Every time we have some "graphics vs performance" thread the overwhelming majority of people say performance is the most important thing, and they wish next gen would focus on 60fps, and how good graphics are basically a cancer to console games because they make devs go with 30fps instead of 60 and all that.
So shouldn't this be good news? If most games are made for a 4tf 1440p baseline it means the vast majority of games shouldn't have any issues pushing both 60fps and decent resolutions on the considerably stronger Series X and Ps5.
So shouldn't this be good news? If most games are made for a 4tf 1440p baseline it means the vast majority of games shouldn't have any issues pushing both 60fps and decent resolutions on the considerably stronger Series X and Ps5.
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Werewolfgrandma
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Designing a game to run at 1080p on 4tf and scaling up to 12 at 4k is exactly the same as designing a game for 12tf at 4k and scaling down to 1080p on 4tf. If Sony made a ps5s at 3tf but everything else the same it will play all the same ps5 games designed for 4k but this time at 1080p.
I've fucking seen Halo, Gears 5 and state of decay on next gen. I know well enough that MS' priority is gamepass so throw Xbox one in the equation too where most of their subscribers are. The same game at higher res or higher fps is still the same last gen looking game even if fps and res scale.
martino
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Did you watch Df sometimes? It was not rare pro systems had a hard time to do what they were meant to do than the reverse.
Balducci30
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Uh actually it is relevant - because you don’t have to build for the base consoles that the majority have. You can scale down for the weaker ones
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Truth is that they made a scalable 'next gen' engine. Priority being lets scale the easy res and fps down or up. They may be making investments now to save face but when it dies down and we're back in the status quo devs will be making games for the devices with the largest install base. they won't give a shit about the 5% that own the high end anything. When MS doesn't make that investment for their console what makes you think third party will?
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EDMIX
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Good luck with that argument as I don't see that 3rd parties will see it that way. They are not scaling shit down, they will make it work on Series S and then continue to port it to other systems. I'm not buying even remotely that EA, Activision, Ubisoft etc are making it for Series X and then "scaling down", they will 99.9% make it for Series S and simply port it else where. Thats like claiming they are making it for PS4 Pro or X and "scaling down", it sounds like some PR BS to make it seem as if you are getting some high quality title and not a basic port. I can see it now.
Watchdogs 1 isn't a last gen game, its "scaled down" for PS3 and 360 /s
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Md Ray
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By... 2.7%. Big deal.
namekuseijin
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are those TF better or worse than the ones in the nvidia new gpu line?
Men_in_Boxes
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TF numbers don't matter. As long as developers target more powerful CPUs and SSDs, we'll be just fine.
JimboJones
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Maybe a streaming only option for S? I doubt we'll see it much though.
Balducci30
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why bring ps3 and 360 gen into it? This isn’t a full generation behind either console due to the architecture of it - the requirement to have something support Xbox one would and will be an issue. To support this nah
EDMIX
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I'm not too sure about that. How many games released only for XONE X and Pro?
B Balducci30 The example given is simply how developers will treat it. My comment isn't solely about 360 and PS3, simply how developers will market making titles for Series S.
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Drunkensamurai
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This all depends on who is leading the market.
Werewolfgrandma
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Do you think we are going to see 1080p ps5 games?
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Bernd Lauert
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XSS and XSX are the same generation of consoles. Your Watchdogs 1 comparison makes zero sense.
EDMIX
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The example was based on what developers would say, not comparing systems.... So XONE and XONE X are the "same generation of consoles" and they use XONE as the base, thats what I expect to see with Series S ie gimping the next generation with 4TFLOPs no different then 3rd parties being stuck using 1.3 TFLOPS as their base for XONE.
Not likely, I do believe the 3rd party releases will be effected by this Series S model though. They will simply port titles to PS5, Series X etc. No different then we saw from XONE to X, PS4 Pro etc.
PS5 and XSX will basically be matching a 1080Ti, XSS will be the equivalent of an RX580.
That essentially reflects the PC market, if you're looking for a competent 1080p machine you'll get an RX580/GTX1060, if you're looking for reaonable 4k you're looking at a 1080 Ti. Both of these machines can play the exact same games.
That essentially reflects the PC market, if you're looking for a competent 1080p machine you'll get an RX580/GTX1060, if you're looking for reaonable 4k you're looking at a 1080 Ti. Both of these machines can play the exact same games.
JoeDanny
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No no no no, you can't be drawing rational conclusions. Only hysteria and concern that Xbox is ruining everything for everyone.
StreetsofBeige
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Sounds logical to me. PC game makers can figure out how to scale games across a million configs.
But many console gamers have this theory that if there's two consoles of wildly different specs, the game studio doesn't know what to do and the higher spec system game will be automatically trashed because the lower spec game takes precedence leading to the top end game getting little gains.
Bernd Lauert
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That's the thing though, the XO didn't gimp the XOX. The baseline was fairly similar, the XOX only got higher resolutions and maybe slightly more details. We gonna see the same thing with XSS and XSX and I don't see where the problem is, especially when this time the baseline is even more similar (essentially the same CPUs).
Melfice7
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Theres no PC game that targets any high end specific card, thats why consoles were different, you have this closed system now built something specifically around that! trying to mimic how pc's work in the console space i feel it wont be good for the industry in the long run
Yoboman
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It did though. We never got that game that was promised taking a damage of One X. It all just ended up being resolution and frame rate updates
Bernd Lauert
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That's what you get when the only real improvement is GPU power. The XOX was still gimped by its CPU, bandwith and frankly almost everything but RAM.
CatLady
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The Series S announcement really has the Sony army rattled and as usual very concerned about a console they have no intention of buying.
Did the XB1, PS4 and PS4 Pro hold back the One X? RDR2 for example says NO! I doubt the XsS and the PS5 will hold back the XsX.
Did the XB1, PS4 and PS4 Pro hold back the One X? RDR2 for example says NO! I doubt the XsS and the PS5 will hold back the XsX.
Please elaborate why you think this.
Other than this will be 1440p there is not going to be a difference.
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