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[BattleMonkey]

Yes I stand corrected. Doesn't change the fact that the largest ship yet created at the time not only had it's bridge shields reliant on a single generator, but that generator was a water tower standing above everything else that was taken out because 2 fighters shot at it at the same time.

2 fighters alone didn't take it out, as was noted earlier in the film, the entire fleet was concentrating firepower on the command ship. Once the shields had been weakened they were able to take down one of the shield generators (there are two) which made the hole. The rest of the destruction came from the ship getting sucked into the death star II's gravity well so the ship didn't have time to get back under control.

 

[LaserBuddha]

All Star Destroyers have three shield generators. Two on top of the command bridge, and one under the ship, where the bottom bay is. I assume the Super Star Destroyer would have a similar setup.

Taking out one shield generator left the bridge completely defenseless. And despite what was said before, the interior and exterior shots from that scene show clearly that the A-wing was travelling at low speeds (in space travel terms).

 

[Medalion]

The Death Star in ROTJ needed a shield generator on the Forest Moon of Endor because it was not complete, fuck the Emperor, it was NOT finished, and to build a shield big enough to encompass the whole fucking Death Star requires a big ass generator nearby.

 

[Enosh]

I'm sorry, but Trek at least attempts to incorporate some real physics into its universe, and doesn't just resort to death rays and shit. Light can be phased. So since lasers are high-focuse, phased light, it stands to reason that if you could tap into multiple phases of said light, your energy output would multiply. So a phased laser should be a more-powerful laser than a turbolaser. But if a turbolaser is just some magical death ray, then this argument is just stupid. And honestly, Trek wins for being a more-intelligent piece of SCIENCE fiction. Might as well have unicorns and leprechauns. PEACE.

except trek tecnobable is just that

some shit comes basicly down to "cloroform bio protein volts"

that's not actual science, that's throwing some random scientific words around in order to sound more scientific

actual example from voy:
"It's some sort of chromodynamic module powered by a tri-polymer plasma." -- B'Elanna Torres, VOY "Prototype"

what does this mean in "common speak" you ask?
fucking this:
"It's a color-changing part powered by the flame from a mix of three plastics"

this is not science
that's just random gibberish masked as science
ST is about as scientific as SW

 

[LaserBuddha]

Man, I wanna go watch Return of the Jedi now.

 

[elrechazado]

Time to end this debate:

Geordi would reverse the polarity of everything and star trek would win.

 

[WillyFive]

The Battle of Endor

Let's see what happened for real.

 

[LaserBuddha]

except trek tecnobable is just that

some shit comes basicly down to "cloroform bio protein volts"

that's not actual science, that's throwing some random scientific words around in order to sound more scientific

actual example from voy:
"It's some sort of chromodynamic module powered by a tri-polymer plasma." -- B'Elanna Torres, VOY "Prototype"

what does this mean in "common speak" you ask?
fucking this:
"It's a color-changing part powered by the flame from a mix of three plastics"

this is not science
that's just random gibberish masked as science
ST is about as scientific as SW

Hey man, it's just unsportsmanlike to use Voyager as an example of Star Trek science. :lol

You can at least give Trek credit for the fact that the cornerstones of their tech are based on plausible scientific concepts.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Pretty much, yeah. He will look at some Michelangelo's and completely annihilate Earth's defenses.

It's been a while since I read the Thrawn trilogy, but IIRC, he single handedly turned the empire around from controlling less than 10% of the galaxy's systems to over 50% of them. :lol

 

[BattleMonkey]

The interior and exterior shots from that scene show clearly that the A-wing was travelling at low speeds (in space travel terms).

How about some numbers for these calculations? I would love to see how this was figured out.

 

[LaserBuddha]

Time to end this debate:

Geordi would reverse the polarity of everything and star trek would win.

Surely you can't think that ejecting the warp core wouldn't be at the heart of their strategy?

 

[BattleMonkey]

Time to end this debate:

Geordi would reverse the polarity of everything and star trek would win.

Fuck

 

[elrechazado]

Surely you can't think that ejecting the warp core wouldn't be at the heart of their strategy?

I imagine tachion beams, particles, or fields would be involved as well.

 

[jakershaker]

except trek tecnobable is just that

some shit comes basicly down to "cloroform bio protein volts"

that's not actual science, that's throwing some random scientific words around in order to sound more scientific

actual example from voy:
"It's some sort of chromodynamic module powered by a tri-polymer plasma." -- B'Elanna Torres, VOY "Prototype"

what does this mean in "common speak" you ask?
fucking this:
"It's a color-changing part powered by the flame from a mix of three plastics"

this is not science
that's just random gibberish masked as science
ST is about as scientific as SW

Wow, did you really try to dismiss ST with some random Voyager quote.

gg.

 

[Medalion]

The Battle of Endor

Let's see what happened for real.

Millenium Falcon could take down a Borg Cube, fuck the Federation Fleet.

 

[Guardian Bob]

Starved Wars fans are funny.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Time to end this debate:

Geordi would reverse the polarity of everything and star trek would win.

R2 would hack Geordi's dumb ass visor and then beat him up.

 

[LaserBuddha]

How about some numbers for these calculations? I would love to see how this was figured out.

Are you trying to say you can't get a reasonable idea of the speed of something by looking at it?

Okay, the A-wing was this big when viewed from the bridge, then a second later it collided. Hell, for a split second you can see how fast it moves through the room of the bridge itself. Pretty simple really. Doesn;t tell you exactly how fast it was going, but the fact that you could easily track it visually showed that it was going very slow on the space speed scale.

 

[elrechazado]

R2 would hack Geordi's dumb ass visor and then beat him up.

Oh shit son....

Could Han grope leia's tits again while R2's doing it?

 

[Medalion]

This thread is the goal to prove who's the nerdiest on this forum, isn't it?!

If you can somehow prove to all of us, beyond a reasonable doubt with sound logic and references of the true victor...congratulations, Pinko needs to give you his avatar.

 

[British Monsoon]

R2 would hack Geordi's dumb ass visor and then beat him up.

Let's face it, R2 can do anything. I mean, he's got thrusters and can fly and shit, but despite all the stuff that's going down in parts IV, V & VI he's too cool to use 'em.

 

[GDGF]

Starved Wars fans are funny.

Sorry, I couldn't hear you over how cool the Clone Wars TV show is

 

[DrForester]

Millenium Falcon could take down a Borg Cube, fuck the Federation Fleet.

No It couldn't

 

[BattleMonkey]

Are you trying to say you can't get a reasonable idea of the speed of something by looking at it?

Okay, the A-wing was this big when viewed from the bridge, then a second later it collided. Hell, for a split second you can see how fast it moves through the room of the bridge itself. Pretty simple really. Doesn;t tell you exactly how fast it was going, but the fact that you could easily track it visually showed that it was going very slow on the space speed scale.

Theres no such thing a "space speed scale", give me a break, speed is speed. The explosion of the A-wing through the bridge was also in slow motion.

You're putting too much emphasis on inconsistent visual data based on dated special effects, which come on seriously, it affects both series. There's so many visual to reality inconsistencies in Trek and Wars film.

R2 would hack Geordi's dumb ass visor and then beat him up.

R2 would discover another unknown accessory built onto his body, he finds a new one each week.

 

[WanderingWind]

Time to end this debate:

Geordi would reverse the polarity of everything and star trek would win.

Hard to reverse polarity when somebody force pulls your robo-eyes out through your colon.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

how many times is dr forester gonna keep posting that same easter egg from a star trek movie as proof

 

[WillyFive]

Starved Wars fans are funny.

We got an awesome TV show that is getting a new season next month, as well as a huge new MMO.

All you guys got is one movie, and that one MMO that people got tired of quickly.

 

[Basileus777]

Sometimes I wonder why bother with microscopic beings that can communicate with the Force, that is supposedly beyond science, why can't the actual being communicate with the Force? Unless the Midichlorians themselves generate the Force?

I imagine it's just way to to explain why some beings have a stronger connection to the force than others, ie a plot device in TPM to show how powerful Anakin is.

But yeah, it's stupid.

 

[BattleMonkey]

It's over, reversing polarity always works in Trek. Wars can't keep up.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Taking out one shield generator left the bridge completely defenseless. And despite what was said before, the interior and exterior shots from that scene show clearly that the A-wing was travelling at low speeds (in space travel terms).

what do you think would happen if 2 Federation ships--of any size--were to collide head-on?

just curious.

 

[LaserBuddha]

Theres no such thing a "space speed scale", give me a break, speed is speed. The explosion of the A-wing through the bridge was also in slow motion.

You're putting too much emphasis on inconsistent visual data based on dated special effects, which come on seriously, it affects both series. There's so many visual to reality inconsistencies in Trek and Wars film.

It seemed pretty obvious to me that by "space speed scale" i meant "in terms of what one would consider "fast" is when travelling through space.

Also, it wasn't in slow motion, or at least was only slowed down slightly so as to make any difference irrelevant.

 

[DrForester]

what do you think would happen if 2 Federation ships--of any size--were to collide head-on?

just curious.

See Star Trek: Nemesis

 

[WillyFive]

It's over, reversing polarity always works in Trek. Wars can't keep up.

It's just a bad plot device, like Force Speed. It's just there when they can't write themselves off a situation.

 

[LaserBuddha]

R2-D2 is the Uatu of the Star Wars universe. I have a healthy respect/fear for him.

 

[elrechazado]

It's over, reversing polarity always works in Trek. Wars can't keep up.

Reversing polarity also works on force powers. Vader would choke himself it he tried to choke a bitch with geordi.

It's just a bad plot device, like Force Speed. It's just there when they can't write themselves off a situation.

whoa whoa whoa, this is heresy. There has never been a bad plot device in either series.

 

[BattleMonkey]

It seemed pretty obvious to me that by "space speed scale" i meant "in terms of what one would consider "fast" is when travelling through space.

Also, it wasn't in slow motion, or at least was only slowed down slightly so as to make any difference irrelevant.

The crashing into the bridge was just a bad special effects shot. The a-wing itself was shown making a jerky slow motion crash while the bridge crew is shown moving at regular speed as they jump out of the way. Kind of hard to get relevant data on inconsistent special effects like that when the previous scene shows the A-wing spiraling into the bridge at high speed, yet then magically slows down in a slow mo explosion.

 

[Medalion]

No It couldn't

Han got Chewie to throw a wrench out the hole airlock and it got lodged in the Borg's central matrix and it blowed up before the puny Starfleetsesseses fired their pew pew pew beams

 

[WillyFive]

I think it's stupid discussing canon space vehicle capabilities by just how they look like how fast they are going.

Remember that these are non-digital special effects created by hand, made to look cool and understandable, not realistic.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Babylon 5 kills them all, vorlons rule. Fools

 

[LaserBuddha]

40k vs. Star Wars would be much more entertaining and appropriate.

Spoiler

40k wins though

 

[LaserBuddha]

Han got Chewie to throw a wrench out the hole airlock and it got lodged in the Borg's central matrix and it blowed up before the puny Starfleetsesseses fired their pew pew pew beams

No it was a hydrospanner.

 

[jakershaker]

We got an awesome TV show that is getting a new season next month, as well as a huge new MMO.

All you guys got is one movie, and that one MMO that people got tired of quickly.

SW > ST in tvshows...:lol

SW > ST in movies...:lol

SW > ST in MMOs..well ok. But Galaxies sucked bad man.

 

[Medalion]

No it was a hydrospanner.

They couldn't afford it, cuz they kept missing too many deliveries to Jabba, so they went old skool

 

[WanderingWind]

Can we all agree that we need a new Star Trek show and a new Star Wars series? The first without Rick Berman and the later without George Lucas?

 

[BattleMonkey]

Can we all agree that we need a new Star Trek show and a new Star Wars series? The first without Rick Berman and the later without George Lucas?

Make it in the style of the new Trek movie, and hell yea.

 

[jakershaker]

Can we all agree that we need a new Star Trek show and a new Star Wars series? The first without Rick Berman and the later without George Lucas?

I'll agree on the new Star Trek show. Star Wars will just make even more powerful fantasy lasers so no more stuff for them.

 

[Joel Was Right]

I think this is one of the best threads I've ever seen on GAF. Genuinely pleasant and fun

 

[LaserBuddha]

I'll agree on the new Star Trek show. Star Wars will just make even more powerful fantasy lasers so no more stuff for them.

Remember: nothing that happens onscreen in Star Wars counts.

 

[Medalion]

I want that live-action Star Wars tv show to finally put that last nail in the storylines before the classic trilogy.

 

[Furret]

Make it in the style of the new Trek movie, and hell yea.

What, you mean shit?

Going by the logic that underpinned the latest Star Trek movie an Abrams-made Star Wars film would be a hard sci-fi project with no Force powers.

(Given that he turned Star Trek from relatively hard sci-fi into a mix of the worst science in film history and sub-Yoda style babble about 'destiny'.)