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[Sinatar]

Well saying a Tie Fighter can one shot a cube is silly, due to the size of the cube, but each shot from the fighter would blow holes clean through the thing. Tie Fighters however are unshielded and would get blown apart by a cube in any sustained firefight.

 

[Medalion]

Even IF, and a big IF at that, a TIE fighter could do major damage to a Borg cube, the Cubes can supposedly adapt, so it won't have the upperhand for long.

 

[Puddles]

I really can't see a TIE's weapons penetrating the shields of any ST capital ship.

 

[DrForester]

I really can't see a TIE's weapons penetrating the shields of any ST capital ship.

The raw numbers would suggest it, but again, Star Treks numbers were much more conservative. But I don't know what Star Wars is using for power sources. Romulan Warbirds, which are on par with Galaxy Class Federation ships, use quantum singularities (black holes) to power their ships.

 

[Ducarmel]

How about subspace weapons if the ST universe side just launch a couple of subspace weapons creating a tear in subspace around the worm hole as imperial ships are coming in they would get sucked in and trapped in subspace or be destroyed by high-energy distortion waves.

And once the attack stops or all the ships are trapped, finish it off by destroying that area of subspace with the Omega molecule.

 

[Big-E]

How about subspace weapons if the ST universe side just launch a couple of subspace weapons creating a tear in subspace around the worm hole as imperial ships are coming in they would get sucked in and trapped in subspace or be destroyed by high-energy distortion waves.

And once the attack stops or all the ships are trapped, finish it off by destroying that area of subspace with the Omega molecule.

I think Dr. Forester already suggested the self replicating mines around the wormhole. Your idea would work probably but the self replicating mines would be more practical.

 

[Medalion]

The raw numbers would suggest it, but again, Star Treks numbers were much more conservative. But I don't know what Star Wars is using for power sources. Romulan Warbirds, which are on par with Galaxy Class Federation ships, use quantum singularities (black holes) to power their ships.

The Empire seems to have endless resources to build so many ships and huge ass space ships and Space stations, I mean 1 Death Star is enough but 2? Fuck hell man

 

[DrForester]

The Empire seems to have endless resources to build so many ships and huge ass space ships and Space stations, I mean 1 Death Star is enough but 2? Fuck hell man

Didn't they both take like 20 years to make? 2nd Deathstar was well underway when first was destroyed, wasn't it?

 

[Mama Robotnik]

How about subspace weapons if the ST universe side just launch a couple of subspace weapons creating a tear in subspace around the worm hole as imperial ships are coming in they would get sucked in and trapped in subspace or be destroyed by high-energy distortion waves.

And once the attack stops or all the ships are trapped, finish it off by destroying that area of subspace with the Omega molecule.

As per the OP, it was an explosion that caused this rip in space/time.

If you thow the Omega particle into it, would you risk the explosion creating an even larger wormhole? Spanning several Solar Systems perhaps?

Trying to blow it up might make it unclosable.

 

[LaserBuddha]

Why is the Federation too stupid to use solid projectiles against the Borg?

Why are the Borg too stupid to attack humans on sight?

 

[Medalion]

Didn't they both take like 20 years to make? 2nd Deathstar was well underway when first was destroyed, wasn't it?

The time between ANH to ROTJ is less than 20 years, probably even less than a decade too

The 2nd Death Star I can only assume was built sometime after the first was started but before the first was finished... or they just got more efficient at building Death Stars after the first time around

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Well saying a Tie Fighter can one shot a cube is silly, due to the size of the cube, but each shot from the fighter would blow holes clean through the thing. Tie Fighters however are unshielded and would get blown apart by a cube in any sustained firefight.

yes, but the TIE Fighter isn't the only TIE in the fleet.

meet the TIE Advanced.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE_Advanced_x1

and the TIE Defender.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/D_Defender

and the Tie Interceptor. (can be upgraded, apparently).

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/In_interceptor


the TIE Advanced and Defender are FAR from what your average person thinks of when they think of a TIE. a squad of either would have crushed the rebel fleet damn near single-handedly. They're that good. Shielded, significantly faster and packing more firepower. They're ridiculous, to be quite honest.

 

[British Monsoon]

As per the OP, it was an explosion that caused this rip in space/time.

If you thow the Omega particle into it, would you risk the explosion creating an even larger wormhole? Spanning several Solar Systems perhaps?

Trying to blow it up might make it unclosable.

An acceptable risk, given how ridiculously overpowered the SW universe appears to be.

 

[LaserBuddha]

The time between ANH to ROTJ is less than 20 years, probably even less than a decade too

The 2nd Death Star I can only assume was built sometime after the first was built but before the first was finished... or they just got more efficient at building Death Stars after the first time around

Imagine how quickly it could be done if the Emperor wasn't obsessed with creating a sphere of pointless shit around it.

 

[Medalion]

Imagine how quickly it could be done if the Emperor wasn't obsessed with creating a sphere of pointless shit around it.

In Revenge of the Sith, the basic infrastructure was already built so quickly near the end

 

[Atrus]

Even IF, and a big IF at that, a TIE fighter could do major damage to a Borg cube, the Cubes can supposedly adapt, so it won't have the upperhand for long.

I don't think so. In theory, these ships are shooting some form of energy but the equation still requires some sort of dissipation of that energy. It would be like asking if the Borg could adapt to the energy released in a Supernova except luckily only a few Star Wars weapons in my limited understanding could unleash that sort of power, namely by exploding stars.

It seems to me that the TIE fighter will either just blow up an entire ship with excessive firepower or the blast would simply travel through the entire ship and possibly an entire fleet of ships.

Given the lack of visible damage on asteroids and movie sets, I'd think that it's the latter with the lasers simply leaving gun barrel sized holes in objects. (At least I think they fire from gun barrels).

 

[Sinatar]

yes, but the TIE Fighter isn't the only TIE in the fleet.

meet the TIE Advanced.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE_Advanced_x1

and the TIE Defender.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/D_Defender

and the Tie Interceptor. (can be upgraded, apparently).

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/In_interceptor


the TIE Advanced and Defender are FAR from what your average person thinks of when they think of a TIE. a squad of either would have crushed the rebel fleet damn near single-handedly. They're that good. Shielded, significantly faster and packing more firepower. They're ridiculous, to be quite honest.

Oh I'm well aware of the other types, I play through Tie Fighter annually. :lol

 

[DrForester]

In Revenge of the Sith, the basic infrastructure was already built so quickly near the end

Yes but it took years for them to get the main weapon to work properly. They had to build an entire infrastructure just to test it till they got it to work.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Star_Prototype

 

[LaserBuddha]

In Revenge of the Sith, the basic infrastructure was already built so quickly near the end

When they started was not the point. look at this crap:

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/magazines/starlog/ds1tj2.gif

A mind-bogglingly immense artificial planet housing tens of millions of people. Why? They could make it just as intimidating by making it hollow. This thing is solid.

On a related note: Luke Skywalker has personally killed millions and millions of people.

 

[Ducarmel]

As per the OP, it was an explosion that caused this rip in space/time.

If you thow the Omega particle into it, would you risk the explosion creating an even larger wormhole? Spanning several Solar Systems perhaps?

Trying to blow it up might make it unclosable.

But in ST Universe wormholes are just stable subspace tears/openings in space/time with two points. Subspace weapons causes unstable tears and is only one point if you get sucked in your stuck in subspace (until somebody finds you and pull you out (smh at Voyager)).

Also the omega particle destroys subspace how can a worm hole stay open if subspace is destroyed in that region.

So basically ST Universe just need to avoid the fight (if Q or any other space gods in ST not allowed) all together and just suicide run a bunch of omega particles and just collapse wormhole.

 

[Medalion]

Yes but it took years for them to get the main weapon to work properly. They had to build an entire infrastructure just to test it till they got it to work.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Star_Prototype

According to Lucas, the reason Death Star I took so long to make was Union disputes and stealing of plans and troubles raising funds...lol

 

[Medalion]

When they started was not the point. look at this crap:

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/magazines/starlog/ds1tj2.gif

A mind bogglingly-immense artificial planet housing tens of millions of people. Why? They could make it just as intimidating by making it hollow. This thing is solid.

On a related note: Luke Skywalker has personally killed millions and millions of people.

Luke Starkiller was the original name, more apt

 

[DrForester]

The entire thing pretty much comes down to which writers made up bigger numbers in the 60's and 70's.

Raw numbers saying tie fights can one shot Borg Cubes? Makes no sense but the numbers are there.

 

[Medalion]

The power of that weapon is over 9000!

over 9000, what?

 

[LaserBuddha]

Bear in mind, only a fraction of the people on the Death Star would military. I've seen mention that each of those dark gray rectangles on the surface is a huge city (and the interior sections would be ridiculous to comprehend).

Who the hell packs up the family and moves to the "Death Star"?

 

[shuri]

If a small rebellion force can destroy the death star, then I'm sure a few guys with phasers and teleporters can achieve similar results.

The only reason why the rebellion won at the end was because Darth Vader couldnt bring himself to crush his own son and that he had enough of the war. He let Luke cut off his arm, and when he saw that Luke couldnt fight the Emperor, he killed him himself.

Without Vader decided he had enough of this shit, the empire would had crushed the final assault of the rebellion.

 

[LaserBuddha]

The only reason why the rebellion won at the end was because Darth Vader couldnt bring himself to crush his own son and that he had enough of the war. He let Luke cut off his arm, and when he saw that Luke couldnt fight the Emperor, he killed him himself.

Without Vader decided he had enough of this shit, the empire would had crushed the final assault of the rebellion.

What did Vader, Luke, or the Emperor have to do with the rebellion winning that battle? Win or Lose, the Death Star was getting blown up and the Emperor and Vader would die regardless.

 

[Medalion]

Both Death Stars were destroyed by 1 fucking ship.

Luke's X-Wing with the Force guiding the torpedoes down the shaft to the reactor core chamber in ANH

Millenium Falcon flew through to the core and destroyed the reactor inside in ROTJ

 

[The Technomancer]

My exposure to Star Trek is three movies:

- Star Trek 2009
- The one where they go back in time to the 80s, Scotty talks into the computer mouse and they save the humpback wales using transparent aluminium
- The Final Frontier

My exposure to Star Wars is from having seen the movies.

So this thread has been fascinating for helping fill out a lot of the lore I haven't been exposed to. For instance, what are the Borg, exactly? Who is Thraun/Thrawn?

My take: in a head-on fight, Wars universe would win with no problems. In guerilla warfare where myriad smaller ships collapse stars the Imperial ships are close to and fight with weaponised red matter, it's anybody's game.

The Borg were the ultimate enemy in Star Trek: The Next Generation series, and they show up a lot elsewhere as well. They are a hivemind of cyborgs. They conquer new races and graft their cybernetic implants onto them, turning them into slaves. They are crazily adaptable, absolutely huge, and utterly relentless.

Admiral Thrawn was basically the best leader the Empire ever had. But the Emperor had this thing about not liking non-humans, so he kept Thrawn out on the outskirts of the Galaxy, out of the main system. Then the Emperor dies, the second Death Star goes boom and suddenly Thrawn is now trying to maintain the empire. And he was damn good at it. The remnants Empire under Thrawn were a far far larger threat to the alliance/rebels/whatever then they ever were under the incompetent Emperor.

Put it this way: if Thrawn had been given the power he deserved from the beginning, there would be no episodes IV-VI. The Alliance would be dead. They barely beat him with the tattered remains of the Empire, if he was actually working with an Empire at full force...?

 

[Medalion]

The Borg were the ultimate enemy in Star Trek: The Next Generation series, and they show up a lot elsewhere as well. They are a hivemind of cyborgs. They conquer new races and graft their cybernetic implants onto them, turning them into slaves. They are crazily adaptable, absolutely huge, and utterly relentless.

Admiral Thrawn was basically the best leader the Empire ever had. But the Emperor had this thing about not liking non-humans, so he kept Thrawn out on the outskirts of the Galaxy, out of the main system. Then the Emperor dies, the second Death Star goes boom and suddenly Thrawn is now trying to maintain the empire. And he was damn good at it. The remnants Empire under Thrawn were a far far larger threat to the alliance/rebels/whatever then they ever were under the incompetent Emperor.

This is expanded universe stuff, non-canon.

 

[The Technomancer]

This is expanded universe stuff, non-canon.

No, Lucas canonized the Thrawn books, the first three anyway. Because they were that fucking good.

 

[Medalion]

No, Lucas canonized the Thrawn books, the first three anyway. Because they were that fucking good.

Where is that said? I don't care either way, but I thought it was always EU stuff.

 

[The Technomancer]

Where is that said? I don't care either way, but I thought it was always EU stuff.

I heard it from my obsessive Star Wars ex-girlfriend, and I'd tend to trust her on this. But I will try and get a concrete source on it.

 

[Sir Ilpalazzo]

I'm pretty sure that Lucas has said that he only considers the films to be canon. But I don't really think it's fair to exclude all of the EU stuff if you're really trying to have a comprehensive Star Wars vs. Star Trek thing.

 

[Regulus Tera]

These x vs. y threads should become a weekly event.

 

[jeffy_johnson]

40K Space Marines. Or Orks.

These other universes are bitches. Real talk.

This.

"I have dug my grace in this place, and I will triumph or I will die!"

 

[Regulus Tera]

The Daleks (Doctor Who) -> The Time Lords (Doctor Who)

Going from what we know of the Time War, it sounds like both were evenly matched. Let us remember that the War had gone to a stalemate. The only way in which the Daleks were superior to the Time Lords were through their "cunning" survival plans.

The Cybermen (Doctor Who)

Mondas' Cybermen or Parallel Earth Cybermen?

 

[BattleMonkey]

This is expanded universe stuff, non-canon.

All Star Wars is LFL approved and Canon. All stories are also approved by Lucas and his flunkies before hand. Unless contradicted by something Lucas does later on it is basically "canon". The EU is also being heavily implemented in the Lucas written and produced TV Clone Wars TV series. His own daughter has been using EU material to write episodes for season 3 as research.

According to the editors at LFL who work on the continuity, it all is canon unless explicitly contradicted, and even then they work to make it work such as they did with the Mandalorian background that got changed in the Clone Wars series.

The idea of canon and non canon is just fanboy speak.

 

[woodypop]

Imagine how quickly it could be done if the Emperor wasn't obsessed with creating a sphere of pointless shit around it.

Man, that reminds me of the Tarkin.

I remember reading that Marvel Comics storyline as a kid. Ahh, the days when the Original Trilogy was still unfolding.

 

[Kite]

Maybe Lucas is an idiot. If power levels are where you say they are, then human beings couldn't operate them. If you're talking gigaton yields, then there's just no correlation between the paper specs, and the on-screen action. Star Wars' on-screen display of power is nothing compared to Star Trek's. Geeks can churn through reams of fabricated data, but when there's such a disconnect between the visual display, then it becomes meaningless.

lol wut?
In Pegasus Riker says that it would take the entire Enterprise D's photon torpedo payload to destroy a single 5km wide hollow asteroid. In Attack of the Clones Jango Fette's seismic charges destroy 5-10 km asteroids by himself.. The visual evidendence doesn't correlate lol?

 

[water_wendi]

The simple fact of the matter is that nobody is taking into account the allies that the Federation has built.

Can lightsabers cut adamantium? Good luck, Vader.

Professor X + Cerebro > Emperor. Fact.

 

[ElyrionX]

While we are on this topic, can we also discuss whether Goku would be able to beat Superman in a fight?

 

[EmCeeGramr]

The simple fact of the matter is that nobody is taking into account the allies that the Federation has built.

Can lightsabers cut adamantium? Good luck, Vader.

Oh no, the lamest bunch of emos in the Marvel Universe that nobody likes. Who can possibly stand up to their forzzzzzzz

 

[Regulus Tera]

While we are on this topic, can we also discuss whether Goku would be able to beat Superman in a fight?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Oh I'm well aware of the other types, I play through Tie Fighter annually. :lol

a man after my own heart. <3

why did we never get a proper sequel

I need X-Wing 2, Tie Fighter 2 and Descent: Free Space 3.

Spoiler

and I'll never, ever get them. SIGH.

 

[Escape Goat]

Sun Crusher? Star Trek has torpedos that can blow stars up. 1 meter long torpedos vs Star Wars hunk of junk.

 

[Regulus Tera]

guys guys how about Kefka versus Sephiroth

 

[Escape Goat]

a man after my own heart. <3

why did we never get a proper sequel

I need X-Wing 2, Tie Fighter 2 and Descent: Free Space 3.

Spoiler

and I'll never, ever get them. SIGH.

"Oh shit! Ship I'm escorting is under fire and I'm a billion miles away!"

*dumps all energy into engines, closes X-foils*

VRRROOOOMMMMM

Main Objective: Failed

Shit.

 

[MisterHero]

Superman guides Goku around a corner whilst Batman jumps out and snaps Goku's neck

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Sun Crusher? Star Trek has torpedos that can blow stars up. 1 meter long torpedos vs Star Wars hunk of junk.

Sun Crusher shoots torpedos and is the size of a fighter.