Mugatu
Member
Spectacle? Give me a break.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
So Target shipped someone an Xbox One already? [Update: console-banned until launch]
- Thread starter CrunchinJelly
- Start date
Spectacle? Give me a break.
Was following this thread last night and went to bed around 2:15, 30 min before his console got banned.
What a fun night and an epic thread, which has now spun off it's sequel The Banning. Hopefully he gets it lifted for launch as long as it was legitimately purchased.
It's hilarious that MS shoots down the first real positive PR they've had in months. Complete no fun allowed zone, good job MS.
What a fun night and an epic thread, which has now spun off it's sequel The Banning. Hopefully he gets it lifted for launch as long as it was legitimately purchased.
It's hilarious that MS shoots down the first real positive PR they've had in months. Complete no fun allowed zone, good job MS.
Brain of J
Banned
No, but we're one/two weeks out from billion dollar console launches. This isn't like a CD leaking early. I have no idea why the console got banned but I'm certainly not surprised or enraged. If everything this guy did was legit and it's a perma-ban then, yes, shit all over MS for it.
Oh ok then, nevermind.
He would not be banned either. They have no right to. What is their great reasoning?
"Boohoo, you disturbed out awesome marketing plans!
"Come on now. It's his console. When I get shit early I share stuff as well, it's a normal thing to do. I did so for example with Halo 3, Army of Two or even Wolfenstein. I am sure there were a couple more games I got pretty early.
It wouldn't fix the PR hit entirely, no, but it would do something to smooth it over.
Of course technically they can ban anyone for any reason, so in that regard he has no recourse, but obviously from a PR point of view it doesn't look good. I'd also be interested if they start banning consoles after launch for things not directly related (eg, but not limited to, copyright infringement.
SHADES
Member
What trouble's me with MS banning him for the "YouTube stuff" is, One of next gen's big features is capture & share & YouTube is one of the main reasons behind these features.
I can understand why they've taken the action they have but the whole mess just stinks of irony.
Did they really not anticipate these events happening & would it not have been better to have just pushed out an authentication code for XBL access for all beta/review consoles until 22/11/13 ?
Wouldn't matter, they'll still see your gamertag on the network.
Mugatu
Member
Ban-gate
Seriously, how many -gates/scandals have we had with the Xbox One already and it's not even launched yet?
there's at least another person who got the console, but he wasnt banned.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Cool, thanks.
has he connected to live?
key question. if he hasn't thats why. if he has and its been 12 hours and isnt banned
i completely stand corrected
ebullientprism
Member
The fact that he got banned and there are people actually DEFENDING it has to be a games console thing.
I cant ever imagine getting a Samsung galaxy 4 or some other phone a week before launch and the manufacturer deliberately bricking it. Or a TV. Or a Blu Ray player. But if its a games console and it happens people think its defensible.
I feel bad for the guy too. Imagine getting a brand new console that you have waited to get and then its rendered useless infront of him. Sucks to be that guy. 500 bucks down the drain if the ban isnt reversed.
I cant ever imagine getting a Samsung galaxy 4 or some other phone a week before launch and the manufacturer deliberately bricking it. Or a TV. Or a Blu Ray player. But if its a games console and it happens people think its defensible.
I feel bad for the guy too. Imagine getting a brand new console that you have waited to get and then its rendered useless infront of him. Sucks to be that guy. 500 bucks down the drain if the ban isnt reversed.
He would not be banned either. They have no right to. What is their great reasoning?
"Boohoo, you disturbed out awesome marketing plans!
Come on now. It's his console. When I get shit early I share stuff as well, it's a normal thing to do. I did so for example with Halo 3, Army of Two or even Wolfenstein. I am sure there were a couple more games I got pretty early.
They have the right to, they can ban anyone for any reason. Does that make it the right thing to do? Not really.
Derpcrawler
Member
Just pointing out obvious apologist with full blown Stockholm Syndrome. Since when posting an unboxing video warrants a:
1. Copyright claim
2. Console ban
The copyright claim is actually to censor him, it was false claim which is punishable by law since video falls under review/fair use category. How can unboxing video can even warrant a console ban?
lol. He'll just answer "no", then pray to god that no one gets it early.
Puppet Shadow
Member
There is no way you can be this dumb, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume I'm misunderstanding you.
The bolded means non automated. It's having people manually check each account.
Automated means the server itself simply scans the console's serial, then takes action based on the response. Like when I log onto Steam, it's not Cindy from Toronto checking off my username and password against a list on her huge, massive clipboard. It's the server.
Some of us are arguing that, yes indeed, a person did push a button to ban his console. Why?
* An automated ban would have happened within minutes (or seconds given how many XBox Ones are out there)
* We know Microsoft was following this story.
If I somehow misconstrued your argument, apologies, it's 7am and I'm on my first cup of coffee.
PirateKing
Junior Member
Fuck this future.
Another bullshit thing I want to discuss, if you legit bought all your games digital, MS bans your account, doesn't that mean they're actually taking away the games you paid with your money? Think of it as this way, you buy games from your local store, your account gets banned, Microsoft employees knocks on your door to take your games away and you can't do anything about it.
he asked directly to Microsoft if he could use the console, they said yes.(this was written in the verge article)
BananasWithGuns
Member
He never said it was warranted. I don't know how the hell you're getting that he's an "apologist" from saying the guy was banned for posting Youtube videos as opposed to connecting the console to the internet/Xbox LIVE.
You have a very strange definition of apologist.
legacyzero
Banned
Good Lord...
LOL indeed. It seems Microsoft is still at the bus stop, but the bus passed 4 months ago.
To the people saying that it is okay to ban this guy:
As far as I know, this person bought the console. Legitimately. No hacks. No thefts. He bought it and his store delivered it a little bit earlier than expected.
It's not his fault that he gets it early. And why shouldn't someone be able to share his experiences with something he bought.
If it was really a problem, Microsoft should focus its attention on the store - not on the buyer who bought it.
And if Microsoft really doesn't want anything to be leaked about the Xbox One, than they should have done the following:
1) Update shouldn't have gone live until like the 21st or maybe even the 22nd of November
2) If the update is live early, than acces to Xbox Live should have been restricted
Microsoft failed at point 1. They failed again at point 2.
There's no reason to ban a legit customer who probably didn't even realize he was doing something wrong.
As far as I know, this person bought the console. Legitimately. No hacks. No thefts. He bought it and his store delivered it a little bit earlier than expected.
It's not his fault that he gets it early. And why shouldn't someone be able to share his experiences with something he bought.
If it was really a problem, Microsoft should focus its attention on the store - not on the buyer who bought it.
And if Microsoft really doesn't want anything to be leaked about the Xbox One, than they should have done the following:
1) Update shouldn't have gone live until like the 21st or maybe even the 22nd of November
2) If the update is live early, than acces to Xbox Live should have been restricted
Microsoft failed at point 1. They failed again at point 2.
There's no reason to ban a legit customer who probably didn't even realize he was doing something wrong.
i personally dont think someone clicks ban console
i think it runs through a series of rules and does it. to do it any other way is completely inefficient and costs more money than its worth.
"Automated means the server itself simply scans the console's serial, then takes action based on the response"
absolutely. but how do we know it doesn't then run through a series of decisions on the other side to determine a ban. Microsoft wouldn't want to insta ban just in case it got it wrong, i guess that also gives argument to someone clicking a ban button.
i think we can both agree there is a level of automation to this. It could be that the engineers haven't been told not to ban One's
OR
that teh One is still showing up as a modified 360 because its not whitelisted or something
OR
yes, it could be Microsoft just being arsholes
Mugatu
Member
A release product coming early is not the same as a beta product. And Microsoft told others that they can use it as they wish if they got it early.
That's exactly how it had happened this gen already. Banned account is banned account.
But in this particular instance, it was not "account", it was "console". So account purchases remain intact for this guy.
But yeah, banned account means no games you purchased. Same thing happened to EA when they banned forum users. Those forum users lost access to their purchased games because of a forum ban. It got corrected...eventually.
SHADES
Member
IIRC, MS have already said that if you've brought digital games & your console gets banned for whatever reason you'll still have access to those games just not the online MP aspect of said games.
and who did he talk to? customer service
you honestly think they have a fucking clue about what will happen? lol
That guy said he talked on the phone with MS, which likely means he talked to some low level grunt who knows nothing.
It's not like he directly called up a head of MS and asked if it's kosher.
How could he possibly be pirating on a console that hasn't even released yet? I sure hope Microsoft put more thought into the security than that.
There is no reason for this ban. Holy shit Microsoft, if he vids something that you don't like just say a "pre-release footage, patches incoming" lie if you want to. You're playing from a deck with see-through cards.
quite literally impossible for this to be a pirated copy or a modchipped One at this point, so they can't even hide behind vague "we ban for reasons". It's solely to manufacture their preferred reality.
quite literally impossible for this to be a pirated copy or a modchipped One at this point, so they can't even hide behind vague "we ban for reasons". It's solely to manufacture their preferred reality.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Isn't the real question here: Why does MS not want him to share his X1 experiences? This is surely extending the embargo beyond the press to the user. Why? What are they trying to hide, CBOAT?
Beta Tested In The Future is real.
nssdigitalchumps
Member
So let me get this straight, guy receives console, guy publicizes console (and praises it to high heaven), guy puts YT videos up and is happy with XB1 and MS comes in and bans him?
Does MS even have a PR department to filter out these decisions through before enacting them?
Does MS even have a PR department to filter out these decisions through before enacting them?
IAmRandom31
Banned
That guy now has a brick, because you NEED a update to even use the Xbox One. Yahoo just ran a story on it. http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/xbox-one-mostly-useless-without-day-one-175738190.html
Youtube reserves the right to remove your content for essentially any reason. Fair use is a defense against a copyright infringement claim and does not protect you against private parties censoring your content on their own platforms.
Huh? He did update it...
He had the update, or at least an update, which made his console functional.
They're mad they can't control the message and have little UI reveals every few days till launch.